I’ll take a dog over a kid screeching in a store.
They should simply send their servants to get the food, or decide to have neurotypical children only.
Neurotypical children are loud as fuck too. Children in general are.
The only problem I’ve had with other dog owners in California or anywhere else, is owners who don’t pick up their dog’s shit. I see people bring dogs into stores all the time, they’re always fine, I never see problems with that.
Now when I step 6-inches off a popular trail to take a picture of a popular view and step in piles of dog feces that people don’t bother to clean because it’s technically not someone’s yard, that’s when I start to wonder if domestication was a good idea. (Of humans that is.)
Animals don’t belong in places that sell food. Animals don’t belong in office supply stores. Animals don’t belong in post offices. Animals don’t belong in any business other than a vet’s office or pet supply store that specifically allows them.
If you can’t train your animal to be home alone long enough for you to run some errands, then you shouldn’t own a pet.
There are some stores, like Home Depot, Home Goods, and Michael’s (in the US), that are historically pet friendly. Leashed and good manners only of course, but it’s great for socializing a pet and making an employee’s day with cute puppies to break up the retail monotony.
A store that explicitly states service animals only, or has no sign, is not appropriate.
These policies work out for the business as well, especially when the store shares a plaza with a pet supply place.
People bringing their dogs to store A might see store B and want to shop there, too. If store B bans pets, that means people either have to bring their dogs home and come back (which is a pain, and people might not return at all), or leave the dogs in their car (which is dangerous or even illegal.) Smart business people don’t want people leaving without shopping, and people with any sense of decency don’t want dogs left in cars.
So when store B explicitly permits people to bring their pets, people can go straight there from Store A without worry. Customers are happy, dogs are happy, business people are happy, and no pets have to suffer in a locked vehicle.
Only the allergics and phobics aren’t, but who cares… /s
Not to be pedantic but we fall under the classification of Animals. And anywhere they allow children 5 and under I’m bringing my pet to. Children are 100 times worse than the worst behaved pet
Animals don’t belong in post offices
Then how do you mail the animal?
Animals make your food. Shocking I know. At least they wash their hands. All my service dog does is lay under the table, and bother me if she needs to alert.
What about service dogs?
Those should be an exception, obviously. But in CA we have a big problem with service animal fraud. It’s bad for people with disabilities because
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the ones who actually need animals get undue criticism, and
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people with severe dog allergies have elevated exposure.
I think a good solution would be if the service harnesses had a QR code that linked to a state govt website with the animal’s picture.
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These rules seem arbitrary and capricious. If the dog is well-trained, the owner is able to meet its needs on the go, and nobody else is explicitly being bothered, there’s no compelling reason to block it from any of these establishments.
All of the above hold true for therapy animals, for instance. This isn’t about the animal being well-trained, it is about both the pet and the person to be comfortable and happy, without impinging on the comfort and happiness of others. Locking well-behaved pets out of all of the above establishments does nothing to improve your comfort or happiness. It only serves to inconvenience others.
Well no, the intent is not to inconvenience others, but to not inconvenience yourself.
I love animals. Dogs, cats, rabbits, whatever. Love them all. I’m highly allergic to most of them though.
As a customer of an establishment, why do I need to deal with the animal that belongs to another customer of the establishment? And I’m not being a jerk. I’m not complaining or making a fuss, but if I’m trying to buy toilet paper I shouldn’t need to worry about hair, dander, or if somebody’s dog is well behaved or not. I am the one being inconvenienced, and there doesn’t seem to be a good reason for it.
That goes to the point of the comment you replied to. And to your point, if nobody else is being bothered… Are they checking if others are being bothered? Usually not. That’s a generalization but I can say in my experience it’s true more often than not (and I notice when it is). I’m not saying to ban pets in stores, but it should not be the norm and expect others to just deal with it.
Barring animals from places that sell food is not arbitrary and capricious, it’s a safety issue.
How many people have suffered physical harm from ordering food adjacent to a service animal?
There is a difference between a pet and a service animal…
Am I google now?
I don’t live in Cali, but I was at a diner yesterday and some woman had her dog in one of the booths. Clearly not a service animal, no vest or anything. You know what ruins a pretty quick? Dog hair in your food… Especially if it’s not your dog.
I can top that. I saw a dog at a Korean barbecue restaurant. The ones that serve raw meat for you to cook at your table. Except this restaurant did it buffet style. I never went back.
I saw a dog at a Korean barbeque restaurant.
If you think that bad dog owner entitlement is an exclusively Californian issue then I regret to inform you that I have terrible news about the rest of the country.
as annoying as it is, i honestly dont see too many problems here in socal
the dogs are pretty chill and they don’t seem to cause any issues. i just don’t know why i’d expend the energy if things are generally fine.
I just returned to Canada after spending some months in Belgium. The first couple of times I saw dogs in restaurants and cafés, I was slightly weirded out. But after seeing it happen repeatedly with nobody ever even batting an eye I realized it was totally normal there. And not once did I ever see a dog cause a problem or make any excessive noise. In the Netherlands as well.
Not a dog owner myself.
A lot of Europe is like this and I think part of the difference is social expectation with dogs. Because it’s more normal for dogs to go places, and less normal to have private yards at your home for your dog to spend time in, people in Europe tend to spend more time training their dogs to be good members of society because they basically have to. If you have to walk your dog multiple times a day for potty instead of letting it into the back yard, you’re probably more likely to make sure your dog is leash trained properly.
I also think the USA (and Canada to some extent as you’ve kind of adopted many of our values, for good or ill) are more individualistic than many European countries. In America we train our pets because WE want them trained, not because of societal expectations about dog ownership. It’s truly telling when you walk a dog that is properly leash trained and get compliments about how well trained your dog is. That a dog can walk on leash without pulling is the exception, not the norm. (This happened yesterday to me, just walking around a park path.) It’s depressing. American individualism insists, “I don’t need to train my dog, he’s perfect being the cute little terrorist that he is, and if you don’t like it, that’s your problem.” As a result, dogs aren’t allowed most places in the US because entitled dog owners are the norm, not the minority. I love dogs, and I love taking my dog places, but if I owned a business of any kind I wouldn’t allow dogs because it’s not worth the headache here.
Pets are the new babies, plants are the new pets and airfryers are the new plants
Babies ate the new “moving to california to become an actres”
Damn i haven’t watered my airfryer once since i got it, poor thing
It’s a desert plant: you water it, it dies. It evolved to pull the water from the air.
Remember that it doesn’t take the water in liquid form, pellets only.
Water pellets is a bunch of tiny bottles of water i assume?
I was very tired when I posted that and skipped over the air part. By pellets I meant little ice cubes
Babies ate the new “moving to california to become an actres”
Those monsters!
I love dogs. All dogs. Love them to death.
My fucking mom just lets her little dog go wherever it wants and she almost never has it on a leash. I keep telling her that something is going to go wrong and it will be her fault because she wasn’t on a leash, it my mom doesn’t seem concerned because she has her dog trained fairly well. And to be fair she does come and stay on command, but I still just find it irresponsible to have a dog in public without a leash.
Your mom is a problem dog owner. When something inevitably happens, she’ll blame everyone but herself, because she sees the dog as an extension of herself and her “freedom,” instead of being responsible for a living thing, in a society.
Trash human trait.
Even though she’s my mother I tend to agree. It’s selfish and stupid. Thankfully it’s pretty much the only thing she’s bad about. So I guess it could be much worse. Still. Bothers me greatly and time we are out and about with her dog.
Aside from Elijah Wood, no one gets to pick their parents
…is this is a north joke? I haven’t thought about that movie since I saw it as a kid lmao.
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This is probably what will happen and when it does I don’t know how I’m gonna keep my mouth shut.
I had my dog off lease in an empty place, a random old lady come up and gets scared shitless, starts screaming. Startled my dog who immediately went up to check up on her.
Chaos ensued. In every case it’s always the dog owners fault, why can’t we blame the kids like other humans do.
You just described a story where you were being irresponsible, just so you know!
One of the places I grew up people would do this with their tiny dogs. Every family had a story of the time a hawk/eagle would make off with one of their tiny dogs. Still didn’t use leashes or watch their dogs tho 🤷♀️
Edit: just remembered we lived near a canyon too with a trail along the top edge. People’s unleashed dogs would chase after something and go flying off the cliff. Rescue helicopters would train for people by rescuing (or usually just retrieving the body of) all the dogs
Basically they’re feeding the local raptor population with their dogs, like that story about coyotes and rescue cats.
I’m not a dog person, even the one dog I did have in my household is a shiba inu, which is way more cat-like than anything. I don’t have a problem with dogs in stores as long as they’re well behaved…
BUT
Don’t take your dog to a venue or bar with loud live music. Just because you’re comfortable with loud music doesn’t mean your dog is. I imagine it’s pretty hard on their much more sensitive hearing and our vet confirmed this to me.
Thats my 2¢
Should come to Texas where they’ll bring in dogs to the grocery store and they act like it’s everyone’s fault but their own when someone gets upset at dogshit in the aisle.
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Last week I was walking down the street with my kids, and some loose dog comes running at my youngest. I’m holding both kids’ hands, so I kicked at the dog to keep it away without actually hitting the dog.
All of a sudden, its absentee owner comes out of the woodwork to threaten “if you kick my dog I’ll kick you!” I just hung on to my kids and kept on walking. I would rather get kicked than let his dog do whatever it was going to do to my kid. I’m not going to stop and get in a fight with this idiot, but it was simply astounding that he expected random people on the street to care more about his dog than he does.
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No you’re right. You don’t know that dog’s temperment. Your kids are more important than a loose dog.
I love dogs but fully support you on this one.
You made the right call. That person was definitely a dangerous idiot.
It is not limited to California, I assure you.
ESAs complicate the whole thing
Not really. I actually like this meme because it specifies the dog is misbehaving. There is no protection for a misbehaving dog.
