“You’re not in America, here’s a real fag.”
No.
You don’t pull that thing out for anyone but Harambe, okay?
the implications of this reply are so funny after it got deleted 😭
“No me toques, Frog.”
Doing his part to bring down America.
gross
In my anecdotal experience, French people vape a shitload.
I had French coworkers who vaped nonstop in the Paris office. You could hear the click of the heating element every few minutes. I’ve also seen old French ladies ripping from huge tricked out vapes.
So what’s it like working in a vaping office? Smell?
Also that’s good to hear, vaping is a shit ton healthier than smoking.
It was a giant open-plan office and there were only 1-2 people constantly vaping, so I didn’t smell much. It was quiet though, so it could be easily heard.
Everyone else did the right thing and smoked/vaped on the roof every hour. Any why wouldn’t you? It’s a guaranteed break away from your crummy desk.
The idea of elegant old French women doing sick vape tricks is just…really something.
You know what they say…
When in Paris,
Run away.
J’ai trouvé le français !
(American) clock is right twice a day…
Why are you here?
Looks like French man has a tactic with tourists.
What the fuck is this comment section even? Is vape vs cig the new Star Trek vs Star Wars, where fans of either side congregate to tear into each other with enough vitriol to make both vape and cig look healthy in comparison?
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I’m not saying you’re wrong, but personally, I’ve run out of fucks to give about the whole debate. I have an opinion, sure, but I don’t want to throw it into the sewage pool that is the discussion in this comment section.
With barely an ounce of fact or dialogue. It’s from such a personal place. Weird and sad. I agree with another comment - this is mostly the internet now.
Each new import batch from Reddit these days is lower quality :)
You been on the internet lately?
Every single thing is like this now. It’s always some “i’m right, the other guys are idiots!”
Before the Internet was popular there were decals being sold of Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes pissing on the logo for Ford or Chevy.
I’m sure dueling fandoms have been around longer than that, too.
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If you smoke, please just find a faster way to kill yourself
I think thats a bit too rough, you need to calm down a little :)
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Addiction sucks. I quit 2 years ago. It does feel nice to breathe clearly.
it’s important to remember that these are everyday people who have fallen into an addiction that they desperately would like to quit but can’t.
I do understand your anger though. It is very very annoying and harmful for everyone else around smokers and you are justifiably upset about that.
Instead of being mad at the bottom level people, you should be mad at the billion dollar companies selling people these highly addictive drugs that ruin lives.
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I was addicted to alcohol for a long time. I get that addiction is a rough road but when I drank alcohol, no one was forced to drink with me.
Naah, instead of “forcing” people to drink with you, you ended up blowing way too much money on drinks for a stranger you just met because “you like their face”, bet that person $100 that you could piss in a cup from across the bar, then when the bartender asked you to stop you asked her to “show you her tits”, then punched the stranger you bought a drink for earlier because “you don’t like their face”, then after getting kicked out of the bar you call your ex at 2 in the morning proclaiming your undying love, right before driving wasted to get back home and end up t-boning some poor soul and putting them in the hospital.
Y’know. The standard type of stuff alcoholics do when abusing their drug of choice. But by all means, tell me more about how I’m the worst person on the planet because my cigarette happened to bother you a little, Mr. Chug-A-Lug. 😉
Actually, let me update those wishes a bit: Not only do I hope your kids become smokers, but now I hope one of them gets a fulfilling, high-paying job as a tobacco company executive.
And after that? May your house be struck by lightning and burn to the ground, and the only thing that saves you from living under a bridge is the fact that your wealthy tobacco company executive offspring can afford to just buy you a new house with his hard-earned tobacco blood money, so that way every day you live your life knowing that your existence is subsidized entirely by smokers.
Bro why are you so defensive about a bunch of poison-belching stink bombs?
Presumably because they’re just people, and don’t deserve death wished upon them?
Bro why are you so defensive about a bunch of poison-belching stink bombs?
^ See, funny thing about me is that when you say things like that, my brain actually interprets it as “Not only do I want you to smoke right next to me, but I also I want you to blow all the smoke right in my face after every puff you take”.
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Okay, how about we compromise? How about I just put up a sign that says “if you don’t like the smoke, get the fuck out of my bar” and that way, you can just choose for yourself whether or not you’d like to give the place your business instead of expecting everyone else there to bend over backwards just to accommodate you?
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Smokers are a minority. Far more people are non-smokers than are smokers. Bar owners who cater to smokers are shooting themselves in the foot.
Wrong. Actually, most club/bar owners really don’t want people like YOU there, because nobody wants you pestering their customers and driving people away.
Lots of people who like to drink, dance and party avoid bars because they don’t like smoke.
^ See, here’s how I know you’re full of BS: I live in a major vacation area and there’s only one single non-smoking club in the entire city.
Hawaii banned smoking in all buildings open to the public and within 100 feet of the entrance of any building open to the public. Not one bar or nightclub was forced to shut down. The idiots were just forced to poison themselves in private.
Then move to Hawaii. I know I’d feel better if people like you were stuck on an island hundreds of miles away from the mainland where you can’t bother the rest of us.
Also, I’d like you to know that every time I encounter an annoying Smoking Nazi like yourself who love giving holier-than-thou lectures about smoking, I instinctually light up a cigarette while they give their anti-smoking lecture, and I intentionally blow the smoke right in their face.
Unfathomably based
I hope you have kids and that they start smoking in their angst-ridden rebellious phase and become lifelong smokers because of it.
Not only that, but I also hope every time you get to see your kids, you smell smoke on their clothes and when you do, may it remind you of this time on lemmy when you said all smokers should find a faster way to kill themselves.
Having kids with the world as it is? That is entirely too cruel. Have some heart.
Jesus Christ Milady posting has made it to Lemmy.
If you’re trying to get lung cancer … get lung cancer with style
Vaping isn’t carcinogenic.
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the department of subdomains and acronyms: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11773639/
Most aptly named department since The Redundant Department of Redundancy
Most aptly named department since The Redundant Department of Redundancy
Can’t believe they came up with that sham when we already had the perfectly adequate Department of Redundancy Department
Luckily, they later discovered the oversight and merged. Only to then split into 16 identical departments.
Vaping is less carcinogenic than smoking by a significant degree but it is carcinogenic
Acrolein, a carcinogen, forms in small amounts from the breakdown of glycerin during heating
If a “dry hit” occurs the effect is worsened, acrolein forms in higher amounts, and formaldehyde (another carcinogen) can occur from the breakdown of both glycerin and propylene glycol
Vaping still leads to inflammation and oxidative stress in the lungs and long term use will almost certainly lead to irreversible damage
Harm reduction is important. Vaping is likely better than smoking but it is not yet clear whether that is the case. It is likely the case based on short term anecdotal data from people who have switched but this does not mean that long term use won’t create more severe lung issues over a period of 20-30 years. We don’t know.
In the meantime for further harm reduction to reduce risk you can vape with low temperatures as this mitigates much of the carcinogen risk, you can use reusable devices and frequently change coils and ensure the coil is saturated, and you can use a liquid that is free of flavorings as these present much of the “unknown” variables.
Or you can work to quit. It is challenging. I smoked and vaped, I know it is tremendously hard. But frankly these companies don’t deserve your money. They’re all fucking scumbags
Well said. I smoked a pack a day for 17 years and finally quit a little over a year ago. Lots of people around me quit around the same time but just ended up exchanging the habit for something else like vaping, chewing, or the new fad: nicotine pouches. It made me feel even better to be entirely nicotine free.
For anyone curious, I used nicotine gum from Costco for the first 2 months to help. It tastes like shit and is not enjoyable at all, but I don’t know if I could have done it without.
I think consciously choosing unpleasant methods to get nicotine helped me quit, or at least made quitting a little easier. I understand if you’re making that choice you’re probably well on your way to quitting anyways, but for me it was a good reminder of the goal.
Congrats on quitting. Shit is super hard
To clarify things from my post: I didn’t even touch upon the environmental harm from vaping. If you use disposable vapes you’re kind of a shithead that is wasting a ton of lithium, that is mined by literal slaves, for your 2 day smoking device that you’ll probably not recycle properly. People recycle these batteries to power e bikes and literal homes. Vape shops with racks of these plastic boxes filled with single use 18650 (or similar high discharge) batteries are an environmental disaster
Nicotine pouches and gum lower the lung risk but are another space where long term risk is unknown.
They do irritate the gums and raise the risk of gum disease
Nicotine in general, gum or pouch, negatively impacts brain development and strains the cardiovascular system.
The acidity from the pouches still irritates the airway and oral mucosa and the constant increase of mucus production can lead to chronic bronchitis
The vasoconstriction effect of nicotine means that there is still potential lung involvement due to decreased blood flow even though it is not inhaled
Nicotine in low doses has some effects similar to adderall or methylphenidate but unlike those medications it tends to increase blood pressure and on long timelines create cardiovascular problems even in low doses. additionally it’s far more addictive (though tbf this is possibly/probably due to ease of access) and most users tend to use a fairly substantial amount, 20-40mg for a pack a day smoker, 35mg for someone who burns through a 5% juul pod in a day, etc
The gum is typically used short term and is actually marketed as a cessation device so that’s one thing but the pouches are huge now as you’ve said. It’s somewhat telling that for a minute they were big with the right wing grifter crowd
Lung cancer or mystery disease/popcorn lung. You choose
Don’t laugh … my wife has pulmonary fibrosis … it’s basically a mysterious inflammation of the lungs with your immune system running haywire. No one knows what causes it or what triggered it … all we know is that it is happening. They suspect it was originally a virus of some kind (this all started about three / four years before the pandemic). There is no cure, there is no remedy, there is no healing, there is no recovery. It only grows worse with time, spreads through the lungs and drowns you to death as you run out of healthy lung to breathe.
Take care of your lungs everyone.
I’m sorry man that sounds horrible. I hope for some kind of innovation in this field for your wife
Sadly no … it’s an immune dysfunctional disease … basically a broken immune system that is destroying itself from the inside. It’s a very complex thing to try to figure out. The more we studied it and read about it, the more we began to realize that we are all just living with a very delicate machine inside our bodies … the wrong thing, at the wrong time, in the wrong place, in the right circumstances will trigger your lungs to react and never stop. It can be caused by a fungus, virus, bacteria, dust, pollen, chemicals, particles, whatever. It’s the main reason why we should be careful about what we breathe in, that we shouldn’t smoke and wear masks in industrial, farming, construction, agriculture, commercial kitchens, etc.
It’s like driving around everywhere with a glass ball that you should never break. The glass ball is pretty durable and tough and takes a bit of a beating but if you ever come across something that will break or crack it … you will never be able to get it back to what it was.
My uncle had that. My heart goes out to you both.
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When it hurts to breathe its a particularly frustrating type of pain
Nobody has gotten popcorn lung from vaping
Hah, so that was just a myth. Thanks.
If you are going to get cancer, at least look cool.
- The French
Cigarettes look so uncool, though. Hardly a step up from vapes and they fuckin stiiiinnnnk.
I would much rather be near someone vaping their blueberry muffin raztastic whatever than a lit cigarette
Yeah it’s just a meme, people smoke waaay less in France today. Back in the nineties it was a whole other world.
This. I smoked cigs for such a long time, now on vape. It’s 100% better. You feel better, your teeth are better, list goes on. Sure it’s not the best, we all should quit smoking. But it’s better than nasty ass cigs that stay on your clothes, car, makes your teeth yellow and the list goes on.
There is nothing better than a cig, a glass of whiskey, in a hot tub naked on a cold day. But I don’t want that everyday.
If you’re used to secondhand smoke they don’t smell bad, even good because of the slight nicotine buzz, and I assume everyone in that country is used to secondhand smoke.
I mean, I hate it when I’m walking down a street and I get the stink of something sickly sweet wafting over
I honestly put vapes in the same tier of “takes me out of the moment and ruins anything I’m enjoying then”
It’s gone in a few seconds, unlike actual cigarette smoke
I fuckin hate cigarette smoke, vape isn’t great but it’s also not nearly as long-lasting or staining or… Really at all as bad
Yes, but it’s much more common for people to be walking around and just take a puff of their vape rather than start smoking a cigarette
It absolutely ruins a nice breakfast out when somebody vapes walking past
Vaping can smell like watermelon, Fruit Loops, etc, but then it’s gone. Cigarettes stink up the surrounding area, seep indoors, when people do it at entrances, and it lingers. Plus the smoker themselves will have it clinging to them…
France, where you see cops throwing their cigarettes on the ground as they enter the police station
Britain, where you see smokers outside the hospital doors when you go to an Editors concert.
I’m 45+ and French. This seems very misleading as smoking has been declining a lot the past couple decades.
Did it actually? I remember going to france like twice a year like 30 years ago. And my observation was just: everyone smokes.
When the indoor smoking ban started, i felt like people stopped. Same as over here. But now i feel like at least as many people atarted smoking again. But i haven’t really been in france again in the last 10 years.
Between 2000 and 2019 the number of cigarettes sold in France has halved.
Wtf? How much are people spending to smoke these days??
They spend to finance there tabacco dealer a bi-yearly trip to the border. I don’t trust this type of graph. Every smoker I know buy most of his consomption from a friend buying it in bulk over the border. And it’s a 6 hours round trip. Not the next town.
But also the taxe do reduce their consomption.
6 hours to me is the next town (of any size), and the sort of thing one would do every other weekend. How do the French see it? Is that considered an annual trip distance?
Yeah it really shifted, still way too many people smoking but vaping + price hike did some good.
This is an official statistic from Germany, but I guess it will be similar for France. Red is female, blue is male.
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It’s quite rare seing someone with a classic cigarette.
In 2022, an estimated 16.4 million people (8.4 million males and 8.0 million females) aged 15 years and older were tobacco product users in France. This positions the country as the 14th globally and the 3rd in the WHO European Region in terms of number of tobacco users.
And as someone who works in the service business, I can confirm that there’s a decent amount of smokers.
I don’t have stats with me and in very much biased by my experience. Around me, less than 20% smoke but I believe it’s anecdotal.
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Oh yeah, even higher chance of cancer, what’s not to love
Don’t be so sure about that one.
That’s Zyn and not Vapes
I agree it seems that “smokeless tobacco” means “consuming tobacco by putting it in your mouth rather than putting nicotine into air and inhaling it”. I assumed that “smokeless tobacco” included “vaporized nicotine”, probably due to my unfamiliarity with nicotine products.
Regardless, it seems that using a vape leads to less harm than using cigarettes:
More research needs to be done, but all the evidence points to vaping being vastly safer than smoking. Of course, your lungs are meant to inhale air and nothing else, so neither is still the best option
Talk for yourself, but I, as a homo sapiens, evolved from a fish. So my Lungs are actually made to breathe water.
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Aw weather controlling atlantean jews. Always knew this was the inevitable conclusion.
I’ll let you know that us weather-controlling atlanteans are actually direct descendants of the greek and as such worship Zeus and the greek pantheon.
Anyways, I have to go now, time to sacrifice a bull to Zeus. Ask him to accelerate climate change. Atlantian colonialism, turning the whole world into one huge sunken city, you know how it is.
seems like lack of regulation resulted in a number of high profile serious cases of harm
obviously smoking is bad but saying vaping is vastly safer assumes best case on one side and worse case on the other
If you don’t want to vape that’s fine but acting like it is worse than smoking is crazy. Just don’t buy sketchy refills or any thc vapes in non legal states. Or you could make your own pretty cheaply.
except a number of those were not from sketchy sources so much as the supply chain is itself sketch
that includes the do it yourself juice
so unless you are doing something dry and even then tests on a number of weed products show really bad chemicals in a number of legit dispense products
so yea unless you are growing the shit yourself the industry is kinda the wild west still atm
but yea sig makers have been caught a number of times doing this shit too, they are just more regulated atm
Oh come on, my guy. This is the perfect set-up. Do I need to make a sprog account just to follow you around and show you up?
“Stop smoking those!” the people said, as Timmy dragged away.
“You know those things’ll kill you!” for the fourteenth time that day.
But Timmy’s breaks were longer, since he took the habit on,
and now he was addicted, smoking cigs from dusk to dawn.
So, when a woman stopped and said "I know a better form,
you needn’t even quit the stuff, nor need you fear the harm!"
poor Timmy went right down the street and filled his pockets full
of cartridges and flavored oils and other random bull.
He puffed away now on his vape, and brushed his fears aside,
But glycol soon accumulates, and Timmy fucking died.
Nice one! Forgot about poem for your sprog, they still around?
They are. Their last post on Reddit was 16 days ago.
certainly not the disgusting smell that’s for sure
