• PastafARRian@lemmy.worlddeleted by creator
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    2 years ago

    Easy, according to Republicans 2+2=5, therefore your regular bill of $100 is actually $177 now. It’s not a surcharge, they’re literally the same number so the math checks out. Just enjoy your life, have more kids, and don’t worry too much about politics, Trump has you covered.

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    2 years ago

    PLEASE be Nice to Him! He THOUGHT Electing Trump would mean he could PUNCH TRANS KIDS in Public and Run Over Immigrant Children! He DIDNT think it would Hurt HIS Wallet! He’s WHITE For Pete’s Sake! Show some SYMPATHY!

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    2 years ago

    If someone explained to him what tariffs are and how they work without mentioning the president at first, and how it will impact his spending money, there’s a chance he might finally admit to Trump making a mistake.

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      2 years ago

      Almost everyone is in favor of the Affordable Care Act, but as soon as they hear “Obamacare” it’s suddenly evil.

      Or like how Burger King A&W’s 1/3 pound burger never took off because Americans are too stupid to realize 1/3 is a bigger number than 1/4 so they go to McDonald’s instead.

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      No, initial reaction would probably be that “you’re wrong”, and the importer is trying to stiff him and/or is a Biden’s supporter trying to make Trump look bad or some other shit. After some time, he might come around, but the principle of a cult is no matter what fact and evidence you provide, they will dismiss them and refuse to change their minds.

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        It’s worth a try. It’s better than insulting them and screming at them, which for sure isn’t going to work.

        But I’m pretty certain you’re right though. It’s pretty much became a cult at this point.

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          You can’t logic someone out of a place they didn’t logic themselves into, but they got to that place for reasons, just not logical ones. If you can figure out the underlying drivers for their position, it’s possible (although still really difficult) to address those underlying needs in a way that enables the person to loosen up on the unreasonable position.

          Not sure that approach can get traction over the internet, though. Discussions on social media are more for the lurkers than for any chance of the posters changing each other’s minds.

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            2 years ago

            Oh yeah forget about trying to convince people like him over the internet and social media. In person it might be different.

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          Yeah I do it with about the same faith as I do the lottery.

          Although I never buy a lottery ticket because the chances are so low, but I do argue idiots, even though the chances of breaking through are probably lower.

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    They STILL don’t get it? Everyone has been yelling about exactly what would happen. The news, social media, people protesting in the streets… even Fox News is critical of the Tariffs now. Journalists are bringing it up at White House press conferences and getting reaponses from the Press Secretary. This is not a secret. What sort of social bubble/echo chamber, do these people live in? Just fully bought in to the kool-aid. Useful idiots, the lot of them!

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        People are incredibly stupid and technology / politics isolates that stupidity and builds upon it to make mindless propaganda drones.

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          I really don’t want it to be the answer either… But as I get older it’s the only thing that makes sense. And honestly I don’t think it’s limited to party lines (which has me rethinking some of my beliefs - what’s the point of supporting the party that aims for a social safety net if they’re too feckless to ever make it happen).

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      To be fair, everyone has been yelling about a lot of things. I even notice a lot of stupid things said against Trump, which is frustrating, because imagine you’re hearing all those stupid things said and you’re not already committed to an anti-Trump ideology - then how will you believe when you hear the real anti-Trump things said?

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      2 years ago

      Social bubbles/echo chambers is exactly what has created this. Why did Musk buy X and Trump created his own social media?

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        Because Musk accidentally made an offer for Twitter and because Trump needed to take foreign bribes?

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          Now, why was Musk able to get the Saudis and others to help him bankroll that purchase?

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      2 years ago

      They have been conditioned to believe that the mainstream media is evil and constantly lies to them in order to facilitate the woke communist takeover and destruction of the USA.

      So it would be an understatement to say they are working from a position of willful ignorance.

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      2 years ago

      These kind of people get all their news from FreedomEagle on facebook or some angry guy with a red face and oakleys on youtube because mainstream news is woke dei

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    2 years ago

    Why is it always my president or not my president with these people? It’s not a sporting event, there are teams but not the ones they’re thinking of

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      Its right up there with the bumper stickers I saw that said “I want MY country back!”

      Guess the race, gender and age of the driver of that car - Bonus points to guess the type and design on the cap they were wearing.

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        I once saw a “I want our continent back” bumper sticker, Native Americans have the best shit posts. Also I fully support this idea just help me kill the English aristocrats, oligarchs, and dissolve the UK and we’ll have a deal.

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          I was in grad school for Anthropology and one of our Archaeology profs had a “Reunite Gondwanaland” bumper sticker on his car. One day we were stopped at a red light and a guy in a lifted truck pulled up next to us and yelled “yo man fuck Gondwanaland!”

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      In this case its his president because he thinks trump thinks and cares about him. Cause trump is a racist bigot.

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      Politics is football teams for them. It doesn’t matter what is being done, it’s about who is doing it.

      They believed that Obama would try to become a dictator because they assume that others think the same way they do. The goal is for your team to dominate and win, and you assume that the other team is playing the same way. Big part of why “every accusation is a projection.”

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        Yup. And they think it’s R v D aka The Left. Reality is it’s Obscenely rich v. the rest of us. They’re just pawns on the rich side

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    2 years ago

    Congress can take the power to set tariffs away from the president. But will they? Highly doubtful.

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    Ok, ok. Trump absolutely loves you just as much as you love him, double if you’re uneducated. He told all of the businesses that they should lose money on sales and go out of business instead of raising prices. It’s those businesses who are assholes. They haven’t even started manufacturing in US, and hiring white Americans to make t shirts yet, and its been a whole week! If you support Trump, then boycott businesses who pass on tariff costs, because they just don’t love you/America as much as he does.

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          Can vouch they exist… My dad is similar. Though, he’d come up with an explanation that the business is doing it to make Trump look bad so it must be the evil DEI left wing CEO (he won’t verify any of it, that will just become his narrative), or something along those lines.

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          One third of Americans, about 100 million people, are in fact this stupid.

          This is (one of) the real horror(s) of fascism:

          It forms a cult of personality.

          As in, a literal cult, a ‘Dear Leader can do no wrong’, honest to god, utterly delusional cult.

          Just go check all the polls of people who still specifically support Trump’s tariff policy.

          Combine that with the fact that 20% of the US is functionally illiterate (reading/writing skills of a 2nd grader or worse), and the average literacy level is between a 5th and 6th grader, meaning that next 30% of people are… just barely out of elementary school when it comes to literacy.

          Those numbers are for US adults 18 or older btw.

          As other commenters have mentioned, I too have multiple family members I have had to go no contact with in the last few years because they are in the MAGA cult, are incredibly aggressive, delusional, manipulativr, etc.

          In my case specifically, my Dad fell all the way down the QAnon rabbit hole, and the last time I was with him in person, he was showing me how he manufactures ghost guns (no serial numbers) in his garage with some vintage machining tools.

          In a sane world he would be on a red flag list as a potential domestic terrorist.

          In the actual world he is just a retiree with a hobby.

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          I too struggle to believe it is possible, but I also know from direct observation that it is not only real but widespread.

          This is Poe’s Law that you’re running into, where parodies of extreme views become indistinguishable from the real thing because the real thing is so ridiculous. So even if this specific example was fabricated by some random internet person, the same thought process works for millions of Americans.