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    3 years ago

    Let’s just say for a moment that the placement of the planet earth at the moment of your birth actually mattered. Hell, if conscience was pulled from dark matter or dark energy at the moment of our birthday as Earth past through a certain area are the universe, that would be a cool idea.

    But the problem with astrology is this assumption that our solar system is stationary and that every year, the earth nears the exact same location as your birth.

    But this is entirely wrong because the sun is orbiting the super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy. So even if you believed the astrology stuff, you would have to make a calendar for 230 million years.

    But wait the universe is expanding and our galaxy is moving! Even after a galactic year you would still not be located at the location of your birth. Woops astrology is dumb.

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      11 months ago

      assumption that our solar system is stationary and that every year, the earth nears the exact same location as your birth.

      I’ve been casually investigating several astrological systems for years (even since still in my militant atheist materialist phase)… and I’ve not encountered this assumption before. Can you tell me in which astrological system is this assumption found? Sounds interesting.

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      3 years ago

      wait wouldn’t this mean you could predict people’s personalities similar to how we can predict the weather but not change it

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        3 years ago

        And a massive reason for legal abortions; I wouldn’t want my children to become the passive aggressive, depressive smartass I am. Better to make sure they’re born some other date of the year.

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      The zodiac constallations don’t even line up with their original dates anymore, for exactly the kind of reasons you described: the universe and our position in it are not stationary.

      This website has a chart for the updated dates (note also that they had to add another zodiac sign because of parallax or something)

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      One thing that could have an effect is the time of year you are born because it seasonal changes. A spring baby will be exposed to more sunlight than a fall baby in the first 6 months of life outside the womb, and the opposite for the second 6 months.

      What that actually affects other than maybe the strength of their immune system early on, I can only speculate about. But it would be a mechanism through which birth sign can be correlated to personality or health.

      And if there is such a correlation, it would make sense that the signs and dates falling out of sync as the constellations process wouldn’t have any effect on anything because the stars and planets don’t matter as much as the seasons do.

      Though it does make me wonder if there have been studies analyzing personality difference statistics based on birthdate. Though I think it would have to be based on full birthdate (year included) due to year to year weather variations, as well as location dependent due to geographical weather variations. Like if there is such a correlation, it’s probably stronger in Canada than California.

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    3 years ago

    Men will mock astrology then wear dirty panties week to week so their favorite sports team will win.

    Magic thinking is in all of us. It makes more sense to view the sky and seasons as affecting your personality than half the luck, karma, prayer bullshit half the people mocking this stuff do

    Personally I think there is reason in astrology. Animals literally have babies at a specific time of year, this habit predates fucking mammals themselves.

    So babies born in winter might have a different temperament than those born in summer it makes sense to me evolutionarily. More than any other magic think I can think of.

    edit: panty wearing magic thinking sports boys triggered

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      I’m with you. In ye olden times, hitting different development milestones during points of the year with different resource availabilities probably had an effect on personalities, and once a pattern is observed people like to make up a story to explain it. If you aren’t letting it rule your life it’s a bit of harmless fun. Like a lucky number or color. People are too protective of their own irrationalities while denouncing other’s.

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    Not to be that guy… But stars and planets definitely have the potential to affect all of our lives, just not in any positive w-- the sun goes supernova

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    It’s too bad when people take these things too seriously. Astrology taken as an amusement or even as a personal meditation/problem solving toolbox (IMO, Tarot excels in this) can have some value. The horoscopes and natal charts haven’t really never interested me, but there are some variations like horary astrology that are a bit quirkier.

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    My favorite thing is that astrologers are working with a ‘zodiac’ of stars which is so old, the stars have changed position in the sky and their zodiacal charts aren’t even accurate if you just up.

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      I mean… there is sidereal astrology, which does account for the precession of the equinoxes. And tropical astrology has explanations and justifications to be how it is. It’s not just “oh dumb astrologers don’t even know the stars changed!”. Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.

      If you are actually interested or curious, here is a thread with explanations (it’s unfortunately on Reddit): https://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/wr1iok/tropical_astrology_explanation/?sort=top

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        Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.

        They just don’t care 🌚

        Also, with how popular astrology now, I’d wager that more than half astrologists don’t know it and only care about some cargo cult attributes

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    3 years ago

    Crazy to me that people make it their life’s mission to shit on others for the most random things

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    Not true, I will travel to view a solar eclipse, therefore at least one star is affecting my life.

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    I’ve read before that astrology can actually be a good indicator of personality IF the person actually believes in astrology in the first place. It becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy where the person models their personality after whatever they’ve been told they’re supposed to be like. Astrology seems to just use alot of universal personality traits that probably anybody could manifest at some point in their life. So then a person who believes in it probably internalizes a few specific traits as “their” personality and after awhile just turn to that trait automatically.

    No idea how true it actually is, but it seemed to make some amount of sense. It could potentially be useful if you’re dealing with a person who believes in astrology, but it’s such a random thing that it’d be just as useful to study Myers-Briggs personality types.