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pm2 restart liquidtreesVery cyberpunk
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Wrong community, maybe? Lol
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iirc, algae are better oxygen producers per units of mass and volume, so a tank full of algae might actually be better than a tree. One issue though is that trees can grow on open ground, while algae require a tank to be built, most likely negating the economic benefits. Also, trees are more aesthetically pleasing.
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Liquid Trees! Slam it down fast!
Trees grow and rip up the pavement around them. I do love the canopy though
So, uh, what’s wrong with that?
It makes it difficult to use the pavement, especially for elderly people and people with disabilities, costs the council a bunch of time and money to repair, and doing the repairs often require killing off the tree
So, uh, what’s wrong with that?
… with damaging infrastructure? Well, presumably the infrastructure will no longer be as good at serving its original purpose once it is damaged.
Devil’s advocate:
These cost far less to maintain than having a team or two dedicated to upkeep for the trees.
That said, I also think trees are the better option. These are an eyesore.
These probably require more maintenance and not less, glass needs to be regularly cleaned and water changed and fertilized, what will happen when company stops supporting this proprietary algae aquariums?
I don’t agree that these are an eyesore, they are not as pretty as a tree, no, but disgustingly ugly? Nah.
Seems like a decent idea if you have an over developed location where you can’t plant a tree.
The “cost” of maintaining trees is paid by the city to people living, buying things and paying taxes in the city.
People who don’t have a college education and get to make a living working outside, improving their neighborhood.The fake trees are likely put up and maintained by a tech corporation.
Yes, yes, and yes.
Someones gunna break it too.
Oh absolutely.
A big problem with trees is roots, especially in cities with dense underground infrastructure. If there’s an actual way to produce the same amount of oxygen as a tree in a smaller space, I’m all for it. I’m honestly okay with how these look, assuming low maintenance.
Good post.
Wrong community.
Maybe, I’m self hosting several trees, so… 🤷♂️
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Trees don’t make number go up.
Don’t you want to subscribe to our Tree Ultimate program, that will give you a limited access to a living tree for 199.99 a month or 1999 a year?
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I don’t think anything’s wrong with trees, but maybe we could also have some of these as well as trees ?
First of all nobody is proposing to replace existing trees with that, that would be silly!
And yes, that’s pretty much the idea: install these in densely packed cities that are already highly polluted to start truning things around. Rebecca Watson’s 6min take
@ECEC
Any city manager could tell you everything wrong with having trees downtown.
* Birds get into them and when they’re nesting, they attack anybody walking by
*Birds also shit on the cars parked under them, and most drivers look for shade to park under
*Bugs get into them and attract birds when birds aren’t nesting
*Trees drop sap, which also ruins a car’s finish
*city workers have to spend time on the clock keeping the leaves picked up off the groundYeah, the drawback is that the algae don’t provide shade.
@claralistensprechen5th @ECEC Sounds like the problem is cars, not trees.
@Andres4NY @ECEC
Cars and trees in the inner city are a combination of problems.
I did leave one tree problem out: they grow.
When their roots are surrounded and covered by concrete, the concrete buckles. So do the streets. Unfortunately, city streets are specifically for cars.@claralistensprechen5th @ECEC *sigh*
City streets are _not_ specifically for cars. Freeways aren’t even specifically for cars (buses, trucks), but city streets in particular are definitely not just for cars.
Tree roots are a solved problem. Lots of city master plans and similar documents have a list of trees allowed in the public right-of-way that have root systems compatible with sidewalks and roads. Some trees have roots that buckle concrete, others have roots that don’t. Choose wisely.
@Andres4NY @claralistensprechen5th @ECEC Trees were here first. Streets (pavement) are an attempt to tame the world. The arrogance of thinking we (humans) can & should assert our will over the world is the problem; street trees are a solution.
@rejinl @Andres4NY @ECEC
…except they are not. What you’re in favor of is no cities. Not gonna happen.@claralistensprechen5th @rejinl @ECEC She said ‘street trees’, which are have shown clear benefits to dense cities all over the world. They’re incompatible with on-street parking, though.
white people slowly reinventing aquaculture
How much better are Kagi search results? Would you say it is worth using over something like searx?
Short answer: the bank won’t give your shiny new tree-planting business a loan as easily as it will to a “liquid tank tree replacement” one.
Long answer:
- Trees take time to grow
- Trees need to be planted
- Trees make shade
- Animals like birds and insects like bees and mosquitos like to live next to them
- Trees don’t need electricity
- Trees take in heat radiated from the pavement
- Trees don’t look cool
While algae are more efficient at turning CO2 into oxygen in theory, in practice algae don’t have a good climate in such a tank (no oxygen without ventilation, i.e. constant electricity and they get cooked through the glass).
All in all, more of a gimmick than anything.
Roots limit where they can grow without messing up infrastructure.
Yeah this is a big problem I see often. You have underground utilities? Tree planting becomes a huge thing. And in a lot of these walkable areas, places you’d want trees, folks tend to also prefer not to have the wires overhead with telephone poles everywhere, and so they’ve been backed into a corner.
I did just sit through a presentation by my local environmental commission where they addressed the issue. The solution seems to be trees bred for the specific environment: deciduous provides shade but doesn’t drop a lot of leaves; can grow tall but the root ball grows in a certain way so as not to interrupt sidewalks and utilities; hearty and resilient. I can’t recall the trees, but they were described as essentially not naturally occuring.
Ginkos are very common. They’re ancient trees, and almost went extinct, but they’re tolerant of the rather extreme conditions of an urban environment and very pollution resistant
Aren’t like half of those bullet points positives? Also in addition to what you said once you got a tree you got a tree, those tanks need constant maintenence and cycling which I doubt anyone is going to bother with for more than a year after installing them.
The comment you replying to was trying to not so subtly point out this is a business plot and little else. Nobody is going to pay a subscription fee to have a tree in front of their business, but they might cough up money for a third party to maintain a tank of algae out front if it was sold right
- Trees take time to grow
Sure, of course not removing literally all of them in the first place is preferable but hindsight is 20/20 I guess. And good things come to those who wait.
- Trees need to be planted
True, planting a tree seems a bit easier than installing a weird tank though, despite time to grow.
- Trees make shade
Good.
- Animals like birds and insects like bees and mosquitos like to live next to them
Good.
- Trees don’t need electricity
Good.
- Trees take in heat radiated from the pavement
Good.
- Trees don’t look cool
Bullshit.
Trees don’t look cool
You take that back!
How’s my dog supposed to piss on that
I don’t think your dog will see that as problematic.
