Didn’t CU rule that spending money is free speech? So isn’t compelling the spending of money compelling speech? Sounds straight up unconstitutional.(as if that fucking matters these days)
Republicans have been undermining the constitution for decades. Now they straight up wipe their ass with it. The Goal has always been a christofacist dictatorship
Wait, doesn’t your argument support their bill?
They’re agreeing with you; they are suggesting that convincing people of what to do with their money is infringing on their “speech.”
Is it saying it’s illegal to “convince”(therefore not the consumer) or it’s illegal to “participate” (meaning the consumer)
My argument is that republicans are never consistent with their policies.
Spending isn’t free speech. The government cannot compell speech. This doesn’t not mean that the government can compell spending (I mean, it sorta can with taxes and fines, but it can’t compell spending to select businesses, markets or groups.)
I agree with you but you’re operating outside of case law and the entire sentiment is moot when arguing this particular case.
Rich people spending money is free speech.
Anti-genocide activists not spending money is terrorism.
AKA the usual.
How is this to enforced. Is there to be a Israeli mandated amount of product that you would need to buy.
“Please drink a verification can”
Omg!! This is how we get there, isnt it?! 😳
It’s already a law in huge chunks of the state.
https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292
Vague laws can be abused easier.
You will be expected to wear your Israeli pager at all times
Well, if that isn’t freedom of speech, I don’t know what is. So much freedom, it oozes oil.
5 Democrats are cosponsors:
- Josh Gottheimer - NJ-5
- Jared Moskowitz - FLA-23
- Joseph Morrell - NY-25
- Donald Davis - NC-1
- Laura Gillen - NY-4
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/867/all-info
Prime list of people to oust in the primaries
Are they considered Isreali products🤔
Yes. You will be required by law to purchase Josh Gottheimer.
Dear lord. Why are Dems getting involved in pushing fascism?
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Same as it ever was
Wer hat uns verraten…? Sozialdemokraten…
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The American government platform. Don’t try to single out the Dems for this.
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Idk, I think the dems have a bit more culpability than people want to admit since they aren’t just committing the same war crimes as the republicans, but suppressing the opposition to it in their own party, too.
Not that republicans wouldn’t do the same thing if any opposition existed within their own base to begin with, but democrats are doing it even as they know their base actively resents them for it. That says something extra about their culpability.
Maybe, but when they went too hard, he applied pressure. Trump offered to take over and help in the genocide (Middle East Riviera plan).
Democrats are not good, but unfortunately, those idiots are temporarily needed to dump out the fascists.
Politics in FPTP is a bit like a bus, and if you cannot get a bus where you need to go, get one in roughly the right direction.
The amount of “Genocide Joe” Lemmyers who helped cement genocide Trump are complicit in what is effectively a mass starvation. At least Biden tried to step in with supplies when Israel stopped last time.
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Well this is 5 people. You cannot really compare these 5 with AOC for example.
The only way Trump goes is through Democrats right now. It’s unfortunate, but unfortunately a fact.
I’m not defending Dems or think they are good, but it is the only realistic play right now.
Biden gave zero genuine pressure to end the genocide. Instead of implementing a weapons embargo, he sent tens of billions worth of weapons used to prolong the genocide.
One Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars
From the MEMO article:
The Biden administration allowed Israel unprecedented leeway to carry out its military offensive, despite the enormous death and devastation it inflicted on Gaza. Former Israeli ambassador, Michael Herzog, made a startling admission about Biden’s support: “God did the State of Israel a favour that Biden was the president during this period. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.” His remarks encapsulated a broader sentiment that the White House gave Benjamin Netanyahu all the political space he needed to execute the military offensive, which has claimed the lives of more than 52,000 Palestinians, mainly women and children.
Even the proposal to ethnically cleanse the entire population of Gaza, or ‘empty Gaza of palesinians,’ by removing them to neighboring countries, was first proposed by the Biden admin behind closed doors
The diplomat said Egypt rejected similar proposals from the Biden administration and European countries early in the war, which was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack into southern Israel. The earlier proposals were broached privately, while Trump announced his plan at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
When Israel went too hard on siege he did try to step in. Not enough, but the attempted but failed aid pier was far more than Trump has done or would do.
Also, he pressured and got a crossing reopened “Within hours of Mr Biden’s call, Israel said it would open the Erez crossing in northern Gaza and the port of Ashdod in southern Israel to aid, and pledged to drastically improve security co-ordination with groups delivering assistance to Palestinians.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68773400
As I made clear, I’m not defending Biden or claiming he’s good. Thousands have died and I fear if the situation doesn’t change soon, I fear it could be a magnitude of 10 higher. Trump is showing zero signs of any pressure. If anything, he cheers Israel on. It absolutely disturbs me, that through resentment of Biden folks would rather see Trump stay in and have hundreds of thousands of more Gazans die through starvation.
I will say, those that keep propping Trump up are complicit in this. If starvation is happening and you don’t want change, you want this situation.
The aid pier never delivered aid. Instead it delivered a clandestine military operation hidden inside aid trucks. Which of course is a war crime.
The “aid pier” was a smokescreen and only served for facilitating a war crime.
Source?
The first link mentions and puts into context everything you mention and much more. Tens to hundreds of thousands have died under Biden’s watch alone, he is a committed Zionist. The actions were performative and used as a way to justify the ongoing material support for the genocide. You are defending Biden here, you even grossly minimized the death count, not to mention the total destruction of the educational, medical, and historical sites within Gaza.
Pro-palestinian advocates have been pointing this out for the entire duration of the genocide under the Biden admin because it has been clear that a change in foreign policy to a weapons embargo was critical to both end the ceasefire and significantly increase the chances of the Democratic Party to win against Trump. The party’s decision to instead prioritize support for the genocide over focusing on earning as many votes as possible to win against Trump was deliberate. Corporate interests and neoliberalism are responsible for Democrats adoption of fascist policies and controlled opposition to the fascism of the Republican party. The Democratic Party has gone against the will of the vast majority of their constituents, gone against international law, and against the morality of opposing genocide.
There is no excuse.
Manufactured consent for genocide is completely unacceptable.
The rhetoric coming out of the White House, when it has been focused on peace or restraint, rather than continuous war, has been undercut at every turn by its actions. The constant supply of weapons — $17.9 billion of bullets, bombs, shells, and other military aid in the past year — has allowed Israel to keep waging its war on Gaza, and in recent weeks, expand that war to Lebanon and threaten to escalate its conflict with Iran. Despite documentation of U.S. weapons being used in probable war crimes, and credible allegations that Israel is committing genocide in its war on Gaza, the bombs have continued to flow.
March 2024
Trucks filled with humanitarian aid supplies sit in Egypt at the Rafah crossing into Gaza. Many human rights organizations accuse Israel of intentionally blocking aid. Later reports show the Biden administration was aware of the blockage of aid, which is a violation of international law, and continued to send military aid anyway.
On March 22, Congress approves $3.8 billion in military aid to Israel.
On March 25, the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution calling for a ceasefire for the month of Ramadan. The U.S. abstains from the vote, but its representative says that the U.S. supports “some of the critical objectives in this nonbinding resolution.”
“Nothing, nothing has changed about our policy. Nothing,” said Kirby about U.S. policy and support of Israel after the U.N. vote.
May 2024
On May 6, Hamas accepted a ceasefire deal proposed by Egypt and Qatar. Israel began bombing Rafah, where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians had sought refuge, with plans for a major ground operation.
On May 8, the U.S. halts a shipment of 2,000-pound and 500-pound bombs to Israel. Israel goes ahead with a more limited operation in Rafah for the rest of the month. The U.S. begins facilitating aid shipments into Gaza via a “humanitarian pier” constructed by the U.S. military on the beach in Gaza.
Prosecutors with the International Criminal Court, which oversees war crimes committed by nations, requested arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, along with Hamas leaders. The court alleges Israel targeted civilians with bombings and starvation.
On May 26, Israel strikes a refugee camp in Rafah — within a designated safe zone — killing 46 people, mostly civilians, including 23 women, children, and elderly Palestinians. Two days later, Israeli tanks bombard another refugee camp in an apparent safe zone, Al-Mawasi, just outside Rafah, killing 21 others. Among the dead are 12 women. It would be the first of three attacks at the refugee camp in the ensuing month.
The Biden administration rejects calls for further change in policy toward Israel
June 2024
Over the course of the following week, Netanyahu says that Israel would not cease fighting until “the destruction” of Hamas’ military.
On June 8, Israeli forces use an area near the U.S. military’s “humanitarian pier” to launch an attack on the Nuseirat refugee camp. The Israeli soldiers kill at least 276 Palestinian people and retrieve four Israeli hostages.
Netanyahu repeatedly makes clear that Israel will not accept a proposal that involved a permanent ceasefire. Hamas asks for changes to the deal that would ensure that Israel observed a permanent ceasefire.
On June 21, Israel drops a series of bombs on Al-Mawasi refugee camp in southern Gaza, the second attack in as many months at the shelter in the humanitarian zone. The bombs drop around midnight as many lay asleep inside tents and makeshift shelters. At least 25 people, all civilians, are killed in the attack.
You’ve side stepped my key points, so I’ll ask them directly.
Do you prefer Trump or the Dems?
Do you see any realistic alternative to the Dems and Trump?
By all means, send Biden to the ICC later, but the current situation cannot continue. No aid is getting in. This is about as bad as it gets. There are millions of Gazans at risk right now. Are you happy with this situation right now?
There have always been liberal collaborators to fascism, this isn’t new.
Yes, which is why we should vote against democrats forever!!!
TRUMP 2028!!!
Who said all Democrats? These specific few are voting against us.
The German communists went in the oven because the German liberals betrayed their country, empowering nazis to secure their own positions. The idea that ‘the nazis using communists as an excuse to do a fascism is the communists fault’ is 80 year old fascist propaganda.
German communist accelerationists went into the oven just like everyone else.
Lmao. Yep, but not the liberal collaborators. Convenient for them, too - not just because they didn’t die but because they got rid of those pesky communists.
they dont care about the fascism aspect, they care that it guarantees them their seats, just like %90 of all the politicians.
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Just ask all of the places that have already done this.
https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292
I guess raising awareness of products origin and why one should boycott becomes the issue.
This is a cudgel to use against leftist activists when they are identified through social media skimming and illegal surveillance. The charge of antisemitic activity will be constructed parallel to their desire to brutalize them.
And they all get a stack of AIPAC cash to implement this too.
Here is the bill (it’s like two pages)
I’m not a lawyer so I could be reading this wrong but this law doesn’t apply directly to citizens, per se.
The law that it modifies basically makes it illegal for a company to contractually require you to boycott another company that you disagree with, but one that is allied toward the US.
For example, imagine you’re the CEO of ACME and you want to do business with Aperture Science, Inc. Aperture can’t, as a condition of you doing business with them, restrict you from working with Israeli companies.
That all being said, I do not trust this administration will use the law for it’s intended purpose and will instead use it as a club to beat people with.
Thank you. I’ve been so confused seeing this bill sent around with people saying it’s intended to punish any given individual for choosing to not buy from Israel. I could absolutely be wrong (I’m also not an attorney), but it definitely reads like you have to either be pressured or compensated by a foreign nation (or an IGO if this bill passes) to be impacted by this.
That said, your last point is completely fair…so maybe people are right to worry as though this will get used against them even if they’re not boycotting in league with a foreign power. With the folks in this admin, maybe it will 🤷🏻♂️
The courts won’t enforce this right, because of freedom of speech, right?
Freedom of what? Sounds like something communist to me /s
Freedom of what?
😆 I dunno why I thought this was so funny lmao.
My brain immediately saw the meme of the the blond woman “inquiring intensifies” Edit: Like this!
It’s already law in a huge chunk of land controlled by the regime.
https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292
Lets wait and see what percentage of democrats will vote yes
Sounds kinda DEI to me
It’s DEI for “white” people from europe so it’s ok.
Oh you didn’t buy a Soda Stream?
Believe it or not, straight to jail!Fuck this shit, this is intentionally vague to be used as a cudgel
How to hack your GDP while ordinary people suffer
- Private weapons manufacturers make more weapons than should ever be needed.
Why? Your country gained its wealth by becoming the world’s largest weapons manufacturer, making it the greatest financial beneficiary of WW2. That manufacturing infrastructure didn’t just disappear overnight.
- Large government subsidies to countries like Israel which aren’t actually cash, rather they are purchases of these privately manufactured weapons using taxpayer dollars. These are given to Israel and other countries / entities in the world which perpetuate military conflict in order to keep feeding the machine.
There you have it. Production and consumption which keeps your GDP and GDP per capita growing without providing a meaningful benefit to the greater good.
Don’t worry guys, this will surely create blowback next election and a liberal can be back in charge
No no. The “liberal” won’t be liberal enough. Gotta wait for the right type of liberal before we vote against Nazi.
/sarcasm
Gotta wait for another nazi who’s liberal enough.
Do y’all want genocide? Or do you want liberal genocide? Remember, if you don’t vote for genocide, then the genocide is your fault.
It really is too early to be gritting my teeth man.
Maybe if they’re alpha and lose their woke reputation they won’t need those crazies who are demanding them to do something ‘meaningful’
Hopefully someone makes a list of brands and companies that you aren’t allowed to boycot according to usa republicans and then publishes that list online on a user friendly website. After all, without that information, people might be unknowingly breaking the law when they start a personal boycot.
Genius. Unfortunately, they will most likely target anti-genocide activist, check their phone for any BDS material and charge them with this.
It is not for the masses it is for the vocal once.
this, i just deleted my BDS apps, will have to rely on manually checking things with a vpn.
How do you outlaw a boycott? It’s not an act, it’s a non-act. An absence of a purchase. How do you distinguish boycott from just not buying something you don’t want or need like any other item. Are we going to be required to put so much of our purchases toward Isreal now?
Twitter sued advertisers who said they were boycotting it, and it worked somehow…
Ding ding ding.
This is how they “lawfully” throw “dissidents” into the gulag.
Remember…most of what Hitler did was technically legal and above-board. Because they controlled the laws and shaped them as they saw fit.
You outlaw a boycott by using violence against those who promote the boycott. It’s not even anything new. Many states have already been doing this. Not to mention recent disappearances of anti-genocide activists.
Violence in service of hegemony is almost the entire purpose of the state.
the state wants to lock you up, figures out you don’t drink coca cola, You’re on trial for not buying Coca-Cola, or Nestle, or never tried Sabras hummus… straight to jail.
In other words, yes, precisely, they’re trying to sus out heretics. Don’t want to be mistaken for one? Perform the rites publicly, then.
boycott
probably using to target groups that are protesting against israel.
Wrong think will be punished
Not just show your papers, show your recent Israel approved consumer good purchases!
First you get people comfortable with defending genocide in another country, then they won’t be so resistant when you start doing it in your own country.
They were russian astroturfs
Who is they?
