• volvoxvsmarla @lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    I thought about sending this to some people, or using the analogy the next time we talk about it. But I think they will spin the metaphor further with comparing it to certain foods and just fewer different foods at smaller portions and differently presented. Like, don’t give a baby apple pieces or hazelnuts during BLW type of thing.

    Just to be clear, I am probably in the top 1 percentile of vaccine enthusiasts, having jumped through insane hoops for Covid vaccination and getting everything just in case. I’ve met 5 anti vaxxers in my life, three of them on the softer side. These softies are the ones I could imagine would argue about this food comparison in their favor.

  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The problem is that big pharma lobbying and deregulation keeps giving these people ammunition to work with. So we have the FDA approving drugs they know don’t work, and the CDC allowing the ceo of Delta to decide Covid isolation guidelines. There’s too much corruption, and too much money involved, with diminishing oversight and accountability.

    If scientific institutions want to be trusted, they need to behave in a trustworthy manner, and enforce accountability.

  • rational_lib@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    What annoys me is that “doing your own research” actually makes sense in a lot of contexts. Our modern politics driven news is 90% bullshit and you’re better off fact checking everything they say by looking at reliable sources and tracing the origin of dubious claims. But these people have ruined that by acting like “do your own research” means “blindly trust some guy with a podcast who tells you what you want to hear.”

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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      1 year ago

      I hate when people use the word “research” because most people think it’s reading a Facebook page.

      Real research requires nyears of studying to actually understand the subject before advancing the field. It requires sometimes year or decades of meticulously measuring and registering data, all while ensuring bias stays out of the data.

      To 99% of people it’s spending 5 minutes to find the right Facebook page that will confirm their preconceptions…its gross

    • Michal@programming.dev
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      1 year ago

      When someone says that they usually want you to do their research, i.e. Find arguments supporting their claim because they’re too stupid or lazy to communicate them. They don’t actually want you to do the objective scientific research,they don’t even want you to do a “Facebook research” on groups that don’t align with their views.

  • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Even then, starving your own children isn’t going to cause their classmates and teachers and those people’s families to also go hungry. OP’s comparison is extremely forgiving to those dipshits.

  • Supervisor194@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    “Do your research” is a dogwhistle and of course what it really means is “Google what you want to be true and read all the shit from morons like you who agree with you.”

  • BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I was talking to a new friend who is a nurse yesterday, and she told me she worked in peds a bit last year during a measles outbreak in my city, during which one child died. She said she has never seen sicker children in her life, they were all unvaccinated, and that they all went home having lost so much ground. She says half the parents were just victims of disinformation but that many of them were super obnoxious.

    • andybytes@programming.devBannedEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Now there is serious evidence that the covid19 virus came from a lab originaly. We are in ww3. People should vaccinate their children from measles. This is the fog of war. The state is not your friend. The cheeze burger clown and ol sleepy Joe were terrible leaders. If you are sick of everything just know this is just the beginning. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf You will in your lifetime see the American imperialist empire drop nukes on civilian population.

      • ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        This isn’t a discussion about where the virus comes from, and debating its source is entirely different than debating the science of effective treatment and vaccines. Promoting unproven horse ointments while speaking lies about proven treatments kills people.

    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Interestingly, I have some nurses in the family and the rate at which people who are educated in healthcare, are anti-vax, is too damned high.

      Which isn’t to imply its a lot of people, but any nonzero amount of people, working in healthcare, who buy into anti-vax propaganda, is too many. You’ve been formally taught about this stuff. Yet, you’re anti-vax because some person on Facebook/Twitter/whatever, fed you some bullshit about the “dangers”?? Wow. What the actual fuck.

      • geekgrrl0@lemmy.caEnglish
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        1 year ago

        My sister left a really great hospital job (radiology tech) due to the vaccine mandates. Some people are so smart and yet so dumb.

    • PowerCore7@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      To quote from Wiktionary:

      夫有以饐死者，欲禁天下之食，悖；有以乘舟死者，欲禁天下之船，悖；有以用兵喪其國者，欲偃天下之兵，悖。

      It is nonsense to forbid the world’s people to eat just because one person has choked to death when eating; it is nonsense to put the world’s boats in disuse just because someone has drowned while sailing; it is also nonsense to eliminate the world’s military forces just because one sovereign has lost his state due to his military action

    • Luffy@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      They don’t stop eating. They will stop their kids from eating because they have been already vaccinated, so they can’t live without eating, but their children can

  • arc@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    I got 3 vaccinations today for a trip to Asia for Hep A, Typhoid and Tetanus. Two jabs in one arm and one in the other. Because while getting vaccinated isn’t pleasant (sore arms and mild flu like symptoms) I would rather that than to the horrible, potentially life threatening illnesses they prevent.

    • partizan@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      All those illnesses are nowhere near life threatening these days. Sure, in the past when you got Tetanus, you got it from some rusty nail possibly covered by fiecies of some farm animal, then it was most likely not cleaned, not even by alcohol… Today you probably get it properly cleaned and even disinfected practically immediately.

      While I also had Tetanus and other shots, I really dont consider them all that necessary these days as it was in the past. What Im however very weary is various aluminium and similar metals, especially in children vaccines. We have only studies of aluminium toxicity on rats, but those got it orally - which is a huge difference. We have no long term studies of aluminium oxides toxicity when directly injected, especially in to children…

      On day 1 of life, infants receive 250 µg of aluminum from the hepatitis B vaccine, equating to ~73 µg/kg for a 3.4 kg newborn—17 times higher than the weight-adjusted PDL (~4.3 µg/kg/day). Cumulative exposure from the CDC schedule (birth to 2 years) ranges from 4.225 to 4.925 mg, exceeding the PDL when adjusted for body weight, especially in the first 6 months (e.g., 1.475 mg by 2 months). Infants receive ~4.4 mg of aluminum from vaccines in the first 6 months, compared to 7 mg (breast milk), 38 mg (formula), or 117 mg (soy formula) from diet, but injectable aluminum is more bioavailable and biopersistent.

      And thats a huge red flag for me. Especially, if the mother is not infected by hep. B before birth, how would a child even get such a disease, which transfers by blood and body fluids, yet we vaccinate them with it at first days of life ?

      • arc@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        All 3 of the diseases i was vaccinated for regularly kill people and can cause severe harm even if someone survives. As I am not an idiot I would prefer to avoid that if at all possible. I opted not to get Hep B, Rabies, Dengue fever vaccinations based on a risk profile and where I was traveling but I could and would have gotten shots for those too if the risk profile were higher.

        I also vaccinate my kids for the same reasons.

        • A Wild Mimic appears!@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          1 year ago

          I would get that rabies shot at least. It’s incurable when symptoms start, an absolute miserable way to go, you might not even notice that you got a bat bite while sleeping, and it’s prevalent in wildlife you can’t control - and prevalent in nearly all countries except most western european states (and even there sometimes cases pop up).

          • arc@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            I was advised by the nurse that as long as we’re within 24 hours of a major hospital (family and me) they can pump us full of antibodies and we should be fine. And also not to pet dogs, cats, monkeys etc.

      • coaxil@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        You are doing your own form of parody to match the original posted image yeah??? Right???

      • A Wild Mimic appears!@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 year ago

        You know what the first thing is a medic asks you when you come in with an open wound? He asks you when you had your last tetanus shot. If you even blink before answering that question, you have that vaccine needle in you faster than you can say “autism”.

        Tetanus is deadly as hell, and even if not deadly can cause massive tissue damage. Disinfecting the wound won’t help you when the wound is deep, you can’t clean that shit more than removing debris (btw, disinfection of open wounds isn’t done in many cases, because the disinfectant damages the healthy cells that are busy healing the wound, causing longer healing times and bigger scars)

        Speaking of aluminium: Do you know how little the amounts you are speaking of are? A µg is a 1/1000th part of a mg. We are not talking about fucking Sarin here, it’s aluminium which the human race gets exposed to in shittons. The first thing Aluminium as soon as it gets a chance is forming an oxide layer, making it about as reactive as my dick to a picture of Margret Thatcher naked on a cold day. The probability of aluminium in vaccines causing health effects, when taking the dosage in consideration, is negligible.

        I would not consider you an expert in the field of infectious diseases, please inform yourself the next time before you speak up on this particular topic.

        • reptar@lemmy.world
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          1 year ago

          If you even blink before answering that question, you have that vaccine needle in you faster than you can say “autism”.

          :-)

        • partizan@lemm.ee
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          1 year ago

          Even if that aluminium would be harmless, I still doesnt got a normal answer, why a day old child need a Hepatitis B. vaccine right away - its a disease transmitted sexually and by blood… Why cant you get that vaccine when you are 15y.o. for example ? There is no logical reason why an infant would need it, with the exception if the mother has it, and at that point, the child already was exposed to it and possibly creating antibodies, so vaccinate it is even more pointless.

          And yes we are exposed to aluminium in our environment and food, but by digestive track you absorb less than 1%… As I added to my original post, a 2 month old child in all those vaccines receive directly in to veins a larger dose per body weight, than the official safe limit is for oral ingestion. The Aluminium in those vaccines is not an oxide, they are various salts of aluminium.

          Im not an expert, I never stated that, but clearly studied more information on the topic as you or possibly most people.

          • AA5B@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            Copying your description to Google

            • first result is NIH dreck that reads like an anti-vax conspiracy. It’s presented as scientific but not worded that way. RIP trust in government.

            https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/hepb-vaccine.html

            If a newborn’s mother carries the hepatitis B virus in her blood, the baby must get the vaccine within 12 hours after birth.

            I imagine part of the reason is timing. The vaccine is safe and effective for infants so no reason not to. Meanwhile the risk of missing one is too high, that you will get a valid test back and make the decision in time to save the infant.

            There wasn’t any info on costs or reliability but it’s quite likely the test is more expensive than the vaccine and not 100%. Given the vaccine is safe and effective to use with infants, timing is critical for the ones at risk, and the test adds cost with no value perhaps it just reduces healthcare costs

          • A Wild Mimic appears!@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            1 year ago

            Hepatitis gets transmitted through the open wound every newborn has - the umbilical cord. Yes, that’s the same wound that causes Tetanus in newborns, commonly about 7 days after birth, and it is still one of the common causes for neonatal death. But infants are still protected by the Mother against Tetanus, if she’s vaccinated (And no, previous infection does not count. You don’t die from the bacteria, you die from their toxins - same situation as with botulinum toxin)

            Noone vaccinates a newborn against Tetanus; there are other ways of treatment, but they are no fun and include a long stay in intensive care, feeding a high calorie diet per IV (tube feeding is not possible), and a permanent diazepam iv drip to keep the muscle spasms - that can break bones - under control.

            You know whats fine regarding salts? They dissolve when not in ubiquitous amounts (go read up on your chemistry, man). Now you just have Aluminium! This Aluminium loves to get oxygen to become inert, which it gets. Those limits are made to keep workplace environments safe and lifetime exposure low (and more a political thing than a medical).

            I just looked it up, the CDC recommends 11 vaccinations in the first 2 years of life. That’s 14 diseases that cannot kill my child (and most are things that primarily kill children, that’s the reason they get them so early. Makes sense, doesn’t it?). Even if there were a tradeoff more that being a bit under the weather for a few days, it would be quite worth it.

            And there is ZERO evidence for that! ZERO! Vaccinations are a thing for quite a while now, and there is still nothing there except the brainless drivel you were probably fed by “Mom Groups” on Facebook, which you mean by “studying information” and which cooked your brain and that of thousand others.

            But rest assured, with Mr. Brainworm at the steering wheel in the US we will see how the child death rate will start climbing and let the glorious states look even more like a third world country regarding childhood death by preventable causes. The only sad thing here is that the price will be paid by children.