The researchers note that their study is far from complete — they didn’t model climate change’s impacts on fertility, mortality or migration. This means that the effects of climate change in sparking mass migrations and resource wars were not accounted for in their analysis, and neither were the various tipping points our warming world is edging closer toward.
Lol, not mine. Good fucking luck to you chumps living below the arctic circle though!
Damn you, Scott!
No your kids will get anthrax and all the viruses that are now stuck in the permafrost and will revive once they are thawed.
We will have to teach that there are five seasons now: spring, summer, inferno, autumn and winter.
Storm, Flood, Heatwave, Fire, Dust, Blizzard
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And people say I’m somehow selfish or pathetic for not wanting to give any possible kids an undue burden, even assuming they are a white cis-male able-bodied person, the exact thing a fascist wants in this nation.
It’s just foolish or genuinely spiteful to have kids in this time. Even if you can give them a good childhood, healthy, happy, nothing wrong with em at all, you can’t fix the climate.
I’ve never thought that anyone was selfish or pathetic for choosing not to have kids, but it’s odd to suggest that it’s foolish or spiteful to have kids now.
Kids now will face climate change, but their lives will be better than the vast majority of their ancestors. Imagine if your ancestors decided not to have children because they were worried about food insecurity or warring tribes or sabre-toothed tigers.
Ah yes, the environment being fucked, causing issues with water, weather, crops, animals, is exactly the same as if you wondered off, you might have been attacked by an animal.
Dumbest take possible. Don’t have kids, you’ll spread your stupidity and doom them to the climate change holocaust.
I’m not suggesting that tigers are the same as climate change.
Merely pointing out that despite the challenges presented by climate change kids today will enjoy a must better lifestyle than almost all of their ancestors.
If there was a meteor about to destroy all life within a year, bringing kids into that would be widely acknowledged as unethical. Many people believe that doesn’t change just because the timeframe is longer.
There is no existential threat like a meteor though.
Sure, climate change is a big deal. It’s going to cause famine and war. We need to take action to address it both in the short, medium, and long term.
However, climate change is not going to make earth uninhabitable.
Lol yeah, cuz an unlivable planet is pretty much the same as a predator.
Suggesting the planet will be “unlivable” is hyperbole. Maybe read the article.
I did. Did you? The authors were discussing a best-case-scenario and weren’t factoring in the climate tipping point, resource wars, or any of the social effects of broadspread climate change, and even then the conclusions are pretty fucking stark. But do go on about natural predators and people fighting each other with sticks.
So not “unlivable” then.
Lol. Go pretend to have an argument somewhere else, bud
No you are.
The earth would be in much better shape if my ancestors decided not to have any children
That’s indisputable.
However I think you can understand why others like myself would prefer that humankind has existed and continues to do so.
Millennials been saying this since we were teens but were told to shut up and sit down
GenX been hammered this since we were kids ain’t nothing changing because we are all addicted to this course we are on including you and your generation.
The sooner we all admit it’s our habits that have collectively caused this the sooner we solve it but we all know that shit isn’t gonna happen so here we are. I feel sorry for my kids and hope one day it gets bad enough that we all agree to change it.
Do not blame private citizens for the actions taken by large corporations and governments agencies.
There’s plenty of blame to go around.
Private citizens are supporting shitty companies and electing shitty governments.
When there are only two shitty options to choose from, picking the least shitty option doesn’t mean they were the ‘good’ one.
issue is some countries and areas have viable affordable alternatives to planet destroying lifestyle habits, but people still chose to destroy the planet
The sooner we all admit it’s our habits that have collectively caused this the sooner we solve it but we all know that shit isn’t gonna happen so here we are. I
Can we acknowledge that most consumer habits are directly driven by the media and large corporations influencing people through news and advertising? Or that corporations have done their best to offload the responsibility for polluting the biosphere onto consumers, even as they knowingly peddled products that had direct damage to ecosystems and pushed habits that did nothing but make consumers feel better about the shitty products they consume (see plastic recycling).
Sorry but no. Many understand and hate this path yet there is little choice when the alternati-e is homelessness, starvation and/or jail
It’s why I’m not having kids tbh
And we did…
The study says that people will experience 18 heat waves in their life time, up from 11. A heatwave could be as short as 2 days, or a couple of days or longer. They worry that the temp. Could rise by 3.5C despite current polices will keep us at about 2.4C. It is a bit fearmonger-ey once you read the methodology. They are basing it if you live in Belgium.
The UK just had a “heatwave,” which was about 26C+ or so, still far from the highest of 34.8C which is the highest recorded in 30+ years.
Pollution is a bigger problem, with plastic being found in kids developing brains, for example.
Just wait till tomorrow to have your kids. Kegels it in!
Stop having kids. No, it won’t prevent the climate from going to shit. Yes, it will prevent you from creating new victims.
But… but… in US, you get a whole $5,000 usd hehe
And a $20,000 bill for delivery
The only thing Evil (aka. suffering, disease, war,…) needs to exist is that ‘good’ people continue to have children.
But… but… who will grow the economy so we can get the first trillionaire? Humanity has never existed with less than 2 billion people. Suggesting that lower than replacement birth rates are possible is eco fascist!!1 /s
The reality of closing schools, rotting infrastructure, and an aging destitute population that comes from population decline is going to be rough to live through. It’s good for the planet I suppose, but us humans living in this human system are going to suffer.
Budgets for elderly care are already getting slashed and more expensive thanks to neoliberalism. Where has all that abundance from growth gone?
The problem is not the population distribution, it is an economic system that is a giant Ponzi scheme constructed on theoretical infinite growth.
You know what’s worse than closed schools and rotting infrastructure? A mass extinction of species entirely caused by humans:
That’s a cool graph(?), where is it from?
https://www.pnas.org/doi/epub/10.1073/pnas.2204892120
It’s so cool, it’s actually chilling
I would be sad about this, but I think I’ve used up all my sad, and now I’m just pissed. We could prevent all often his, but its gonna have to get really really bad before we drag our leaders out into the streets over this crap. It’s a sad day for our species, and barely anybody even notices.
It’s a sad day for our species, and barely anybody even notices.
It’s kinda like when you’re hungry and the hunger pains don’t go away until twenty minutes after you’ve started eating so you eat way too much.
A lot of the major consequences aren’t here yet (enough that denial is still possible). People will notice after it’s already gotten really terrible and it’s beyond obvious that we should’ve done anything at any cost about it.
Maybe when the arctic circle is springing up palm trees people will understand that it’s not a Chinese hoax.
We could prevent all of this, but its gonna have to get really really bad before we drag our leaders out into the streets over this crap.
And it’s a one-way progression, so if we let it get to that point it’s going to stay at that point even after the leaders are gotten rid of. In order to actually solve the problem properly, we have to do it before it gets bad enough for normies to support it.
Well, fortunately Trump is doing a pretty good job at radicalizing everybody in the US (and outside the US) against the status quo/world order and those who uphold it.
Hopefully we will never resort to that sort of violence to address our problems though.
Radicalizing… who exactly? I see some anemic little protests full of Americans who are unwilling to actually commit civil disobedience, let alone do something “radical.” I see people rolling over and taking it. Where are the “radicalized” people?
Just because protests aren’t being covered by the mainstream media doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And a significant portion of liberal spaces are becoming radical in sentiment, even if some are still constrained to hoping Bernie and AOC will save them in 2028. You aren’t going to hear me praise anything going as being sufficient, though.
Funny, because I’ve been seeing some of the largest protests my city has seen in 20+ years
They are protesting, but are they committing disobedience? Would you picture any of those protests going crazy and throwing the governors out of the windows?
I have seen a lot of +1 million protests in my country during my lifetime. None of them worked for anything.
I’m not saying revolution doesn’t work, historically it does. But your judgement is not very practical. If you act as an individual you get arrested for terrorism and the state charges you with the death penalty. You riot the state brings in the riot police to bash your face in. You truly revolt and they bring in the tanks and declare martial law. Martial law would greatly benefit the current administration.
I don’t know how to get around these obstacles, and I suspect neither do you. I have a whole hell of a lot more respect for those that leave their homes to protest injustice than those that stay at home and do nothing other than critize people for trying. I don’t see you volunteering to fire the first shot in either my country or yours. So until you are ready to take that leap maybe don’t critize those trying to do something. Or come up with a criticism more constructive than “why don’t you just commit crimes and risk everything including your life”. That’s a lot to ask of anyone
Sitting here posting like your entire country wasn’t founded on (and continues to LOUDLY congratulate itself for) risking everything to bring the fight to overwhelmingly powerful and oppressive forces.
Whatever the outcome of all this is, I never want to hear a word about your beloved fucking founding fathers again.
and now I’m just pissed.
Great. Sad leads to apathy; angry leads to guillotines.
You still have piss? I’m so pissed out. It’s just comedy at this point.
It’s still funny to you? I’m just trying to make it to Tuesday.
Oh honey, that was yesterday. Someone needs a hug.
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You got chosen for the baby boomer reenactment vault, enjoy.
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Important question, which end of the boomer reenactment do I get to be on?
The one with all the testing. Very important testing. American testing. Muritest. Guaranteed to be 75% RAD free*.
* guarantee based on availability.
Come on dude you played fallout you know it ends badly lol
There’s so many reasons I’m not having kids. My brother on the other hand is having kids with half the state of Idaho. I’ll do what I can for my niblings but I don’t have enough damage control to go around
It’s half the state of Idaho, Michael. What could it be, 10 women?
It’s gonna be awesome when we’re old and need end of life care and the younger generations are too poor to help us and too stupid to help us even if they weren’t poor.
We’re headed into a very, very stupid and depressing future. And it’s 100% avoidable.
Welcome to COSCO, I love you.
*was avoidable, by taking steps 25-40 years ago. Boomers took us right over the edge of any cliff they could find, again and again.
When they don’t get to grow up. The species expires. Good job OG&E, way to go. Stupid greedy corporate shills. 😓
In an analysis of human exposure to climate change extremes — such as heatwaves, floods, droughts, wildfires, cyclones and crop failures — researchers found that children born in 2020 are two to seven times more likely to face one-in-10,000 year events than those who were born in 1960.
Why pick (great) grandparents as the reference point?
Wouldn’t it be more practical to compare them with their parents?
Edit: the actual study does show comparative data for other cohorts (i.e. every decade since 1960). Unless the average LiveScience reader is in their 60s, they just picked a weirdly unrelatable way to describe the study.
Stop eating animals! Proof that you care and commit to change a destructive habit.
I’ll do that if you remove every part of your life that touches anything even remotely having to do with oil.
I try, but it is hard! Eating lentils instead of animal tissue for protein is very easy. Putting soy milk in your porridge instead of udder milk is very easy. You just buy a product that tastes slightly different next time you go shopping. BÄM! ⅔ less co2 emissions, water pollution and land use from your meal. Well done! It’s the single most powerful thing you can do effortlessly by yourself.
My point is more that this is like someone arguing that a person should stop spilling their drink of the floor of the titanic while it’s sinking.
This doomer attitude will get us nowhere, it drags everyone into apathy and indifference. Your politicians like you like that. But every decimal warming counts. Please give meaning to your existence and stand for something. Not because your impact is so great, but because it’s the right thing to do. Don’t just roll on your back and give up just because you like cheese too much.
Just like all the companies that told us we need to recycle more rather than they having to change anything they were doing. You’ve got an agenda, that’s fine but maybe be a little more circumspect in delivering it.
Why pick something super difficult?
This is actually optimistic. They think kids are going to grow up.
They think people these days can afford to have kids.
