They should get Lisa Kudrow to play Rosa Parks.
Conan O’Brien as Desmond Tutu.
Am I the only one who doesn’t know who Harriet Tubman is?
Does the phrase “underground railroad” mean anything to you?
We call it the subway or the metro nowadays.
Not everyone is from North America. That is like me asking you, does “Dr. Kwame Nkrumah” mean anything to you?
Tbh, it should. American educations don’t touch Africa barring a dip into Egypt, which usually compresses the dynasties in a way that does nothing for a deeper understanding. Even as someone with a BA in history, that watched the course listing like a hawk for “history of the Sahel” or “history of the Mali empire” or some lovely 3000-4000 course - nothing.
I should have been taught who Nkrumah was. And Léopold Senghor, and Kenyatta…
Instead, I lean on The Fate of Africa by Martin Meredith. Which is a good book, but by a journalist, not a historian.
If only that question was a direct response to someone talking about an American historical figure by name.
does “Dr. Kwame Nkrumah” mean anything to you?
C’mon, there are lots of NBA fans outside of the United States.
…no?
Here you go. She was a pretty amazing person. If you’re from the US and didn’t learn about her in school, your school failed you.
Congrats on being one of the lucky 10,000 learning something new, especially about a genuine hero!
I can’t help but wonder if the down voters are unfamiliar with the comic and didn’t click it, because it sounds a little condescending otherwise lol.
I don’t see down votes but that’s pretty funny to be honest.
Just adding on to others, they made her a leader you can play as in Civ 7. (This is just a fun fact, obviously she’s important outside of being in a video game.) https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Harriet_Tubman_(Civ7)
Okay, Harriet Tubman, born into slavery in the early 1800s, escaped slavery, probably best known today for helping other slaves escape to free states via a system of secret routes, sympathizers and safe houses referred to as the Underground Railroad. The Underground Railroad had nothing to do with trains, it was just a code word. Tubman went on to serve as a spy for the Union army during the American civil war, and was a figure in the women’s suffrage movement, surviving into the 20th century.
So, the fact that she was a black woman is kind of important to Harriet Tubman’s lore, and casting Julia Roberts in the role is rather inappropriate.
Like the Eurostar
Probably not, but she’s an important figure of the American history. The real question, though, is who will know about Harriet Tubman in a few years, once she gets erased from American history books.
Yeah, she died in 1913, if she has not been erased in 112 years, and with people still wanting to make a movie about her…
Perhaps you may be leaning into conspiracy theories and are fear mongering yourself and others. Stop it.
Here, from Wikipedia:
Parks, monuments, and historical sites
National parks and national monuments related to Tubman in the United States are the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad National Monument and the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad National Historical Park, both in Maryland,[215] and the Harriet Tubman National Historical Park in Auburn.[216] The Salem Chapel in St. Catharines, Canada where Tubman worshipped, is a National Historic Site of Canada.[217]
The city of Auburn, New York has several historical sites related to Tubman, including her gravesite.[218][219] Other state and local historical sites about Tubman include the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad State Park[220] and the Harriet Tubman Memorial Garden[221] in Maryland, and the Harriet Tubman Museum is in New Jersey.[222]
Artistic portrayals
Tubman is the subject of many works of art. Musicians including Woody Guthrie, Wynton Marsalis, and Walter Robinson have written songs celebrating her.[223] She is the subject of operas by Thea Musgrave,[224] Nkeiru Okoye,[225] and Hilda Paredes,[226] as well as plays by Carolyn Gage and a collaboration of May Miller and Willis Richardson.[227] Tubman is the focus of novels by Elizabeth Cobbs,[228] Marcy Heidish,[229] Anne Parrish,[230] and Bob the Drag Queen,[231] and is a character in novels by Terry Bisson,[232] Ta-Nehisi Coates,[233] and James McBride.[234]
Since Tubman’s life was first dramatized on television in a 1963 episode of the series The Great Adventure,[235] she has been portrayed in TV productions such as The Good Lord Bird,[236] Timeless,[237] Underground,[236] and A Woman Called Moses.[238] Cynthia Erivo received an Academy Award nomination for portraying Tubman in the 2019 biographical film Harriet.[239]
Dozens of schools,[247] streets and highways,[248] church groups, social organizations, and government agencies have been named after Tubman.[249] In 1944, the United States Maritime Commission launched the SS Harriet Tubman, its first Liberty ship named for a black woman.[211]
On November 11, 2024, Tubman was posthumously commissioned as a one-star general in the Maryland National Guard in recognition of her military service during the Civil War.[250]
First and foremost, you are side stepping my comment. She ain’t getting “erased.” You could admit to just being wrong there. Instead of moving the goal post.
First link: They are removing DEI stuff from NASA. We do not have to insert DEI into everything if it is not merited. They are not trying to “erase” people from history. DEI is based on political ideology that tends to be performative rather actually useful. Look at all the corporations that claims to support LGBT issues in the USA but say and do nothing in Muslim countries? Why? Because it is all a grift that people in the USA and other countries fall for. Search about the missing money from BLM, Something like half of the 90+ million is just gone. Mostly in houses, salaries to friends, family and crazy lifestyles, ttavelling. Up here in Toronto, the head of BLM embezzled like $100,000 from York University. Then claimed racism when they took her to court, backtracked that claim the day before the court date and said she would try to pay it back as a way to avoid possible jail. Merited credit is good, Tubman is not going anywhere.
Second link: They are returning the stuff to their rightful owners. They could just donate the items, if they wanted to and care so much about the history. As they claim. . If it was part of the collection it would be on display.
That’s not even close to a thought out response, just reactive defense of the current administration fascistic policies and desire to erase history.
Is it normal that they are removing women from military history?
Does the boot leather taste that great?
Source of your link:
“One official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to provide details that have not been made public, said the purge could delete as many as 100,000 images or posts in total, when considering social media pages and other websites that are also being culled for DEI content. The official said it’s not clear if the database has been finalized.”
Do you have an actual source and not fear mongering? I think you seem to lack understanding on what “erasure,” actually means. No one is hiding or destroying anything.
Also, what you are saying is that I was correct with Tubman or you are still cannot admit to being wrong or are you going to just move the goal post again, Friend? As hominems just prove my point, as you would not resort to those.
I maen, people can down vote me all they want, but we both know you were wrong. LOL
You really don’t think the American administration is trying to erase the contributions of Tubman and other black people? Since you’re so well informed, I’d genuinely like to hear what you think their aims are.
PS. I’m also sceptical that the American right wing can accomplish everything they want from project 2025. But even attempting is chilling, and they really do have a lot of momentum. Good people are naturally nervous about that, since the official opposition is not, IMO, ideologically equipped to combat them.
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing!
At least people will be able to remember she looked like Julia Roberts
Elon Musk will build The Above Ground Railroad to save white South African immigrants from the tyranny of paying taxes.
The Above Ground Hyperloop
Relevant picture
Never be afraid to ask a question to rectify a lack of knowledge.
TL;DR, she was an insanely brave black woman who helped a metric fuck ton of slaves escape the south.
She’s the original free runner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1dhATC-ekQ
Same as when SNL wanted men to play female politicians in sketches when Amy Poehler and Tina Fey were right there and smashed it in the end.
SNL is comedy, and there’s comedy in using a man to portray a woman. That’s not the same as using the wrong sort of person because you think it doesn’t matter
Ok, you choose a man instead of Tina Fey to play a Sarah Palin and see how much funnier that won’t be.
I choose Alec Baldwin
Hollywood Executives can collectively only name at most seven actors at a given time. An entire nine-digit annual industry run by a bunch of coked-up goldfish.
All of these large industries are run by idiots
They’re run by the same average people who work for them. You don’t need to be an idiot to fuck up running something as large and complicated as a trans-national corporation. You don’t need to be a genius to coast in a position that already prints money.
We’re simply not that different from one another. The genius/idiot dichotomy is far more about variances in education, culture, and propagandized bigotry than finding actual differences in intellect.
I mean they do this all time, for example, that amazon series about lord of the rings.
Not real people and their skin color has nothing to do with the story. Biopics about black people generally have to do with their struggles as a black person so having a white person play them is wrong and dilutes the value of that person’s story because a white person doesn’t have the same adversities.
This is obviously a perfect role for Ryan Gosling
AI Morgan Freeman
Why AI? Wtf, you made me think he died. Don’t do this to me.
Sorry, I meant “motion capture Morgan Freeman”. Harriet Tubman would be CGI of course.
I think he is already scheduled to star in the MLK movie, so not sure he would have the time
citation needed
Citation is that this is a meme.
Did they not publish their casual conversation for peer review???
This is what makeup is for
That would get them a lot of publicity
She’s the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude.
Next Summer they’ll show Black Hitler
Just a reminder this was a real show
Only aired like one episode though
Conan had Jewish Hitler on at one point. I think Sarah Silverman talked about it on a podcast recently but I can’t remember which one right now
I would not be surprised if that was the title of Kanye’s next album.
Maybe he’s doing a reverse Joaquin Phoenix, going from music artist to actor, just with more antisemitism.
KanyeClayton West
Hitlack or Blitler?
This is crazy, I mean Roberts is from the South and Tubman from the north, no one’s going to believe it!
True! It’s called acting for a reason.
Howdy y’all- cough cough Hey youse guys. I’m walkin’ 'ere!
Hmmm so you need woman of colour? Maybe Gal Gadot? /s
If Hollywood ever did a film about Gaza they would unironically use Gal Godot in the role of a Palestinian woman.
It also be “both sides have something to learn from each other!” Oscar bait a la Crash or Green Book.
I was going to suggest that it would be done with lots of tearful emotion, but then I remembered that Gal can’t actually act, so maybe it would be more of a “after saying the words, turning and looking towards the horizon in an heroic pose” medium shot moving into a panorama showing little children in the background.
(With the right music to pull people’s emotional strings, obviously)
Ughhhhhhh. Green Book was okay, I liked it, but BlackkKlansman was right there. I shouldn’t be surprised they picked the less punchy of the two, but I’m still annoyed.
The best part of BlackkKlansman was that I watched it with two literal billionaires who most assuredly voted for Trump 3 times. I got to feel their reaction to that ending montage. Thank you for the reminder.
No doubt with lines like “They only hate Israel because of their religion” and “The IDF is protecting me, despite being Palestinian”
“Israel is saving Palestinians like me from the Hamas terrorist regime”
Especially fucked seen as it sounds like negligence.
The article led me down a rabbit hole leading to an article about the ghost in the shell movie adaptation promo meme generator being used to criticise the whitewashing in the movie adaptation
Fuck whitewashing
It’s weird how the reverse is somehow ok now. Anne Boleyn played by a black woman why not? Historical accurac? What even is that?? .
White people were never opressed and there is no danger of erasing white people and their achievements from history, so yes, the reverse is very ok.
As someone loves history, it’s not ok. Especially when the “white” people being erased aren’t even white. Cleopatra wasn’t white but she’s sure as hell wasn’t black. A lot of the characters being turned black are Greek, Latino, Irish, Italian, Arab, Asian. So is that ok? For a black actor to get the job of every other race? Why not a blank woman playing pancho villa? Maybe get idris alba to play the Dali lama.
You are trying and failing to make up drama where there is none. So again, for you:
It’s not okay for a white person to play a black person from history.
It’s very ok for a POC to play a white person from history.
Deal with it 🤷🏻
This works when you’re being cheeky about it, like with Hamilton. You’re just cherry-picking.
This works when you’re being cheeky about it, like with Hamilton. You’re just cherry-picking.
It’s funny how arabs, latinos, asians, North Africans, Italians, Greeks are suddenly “white” when it’s convenient to you.
Yes, there are too many Black actors in Hollywood movies. You can barely find any roles for white actors these days. I fondly recall roles where white actors could do their jobs, like Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.
It’s funny how Latino, Arab, Asian, Greek, actors are suddenly “white” when convenient.
Ok where is all this black washing of Asian, arab, latino, etc figures? If anything they get white washed as much as black figures do or are reduced to stereotypes with zero depth.
Only thing that comes to mind is Jada Pinkett’s shitty Netflix series that no one watched
Sounds like you’re being emotional and treating racism like a competition. Can’t really have a reasonable conversation with you if that’s the case
Or you could just give me examples of famous figures of the ethnicities you mentioned being represented as black. I’ve yet to see Miyamoto Musashi, Santa Ana, Buddha, Alexander the Great, or Saladin played by Morgan Freeman or Idris Elba
Right, Samuel L. Jackson as Simón Bolívar was really a bad pick.
See? That is your problem. You and I care about History. The people who are okay with erasing white people based it all on political ideology that is educated on extremely cherry picked and narrow history factoids and examples along with an unhealthy dose of presentism. Sticking with objectivity is not their goal. Most of them are not even aware they are doing that as they are just parroting ideas that others in their echo chambers tell them. I know a bunch of kids at my local Uni who say the same thing and they get it either from the same professors who push the same thing or social media. Primary Sourcing is not something they do as it would prove them wrong.
Erasing the culture is the goal, despite the fact that they blame others of doing what they themselves are doing as a distraction.
How many more comments until you start blabbering about “ThE gReAt RePLaCeMenT”?
What are you talking about? Stop projecting, friend.
Do tell us about this great replacement theory you brought up.
White people were never opressed
You need to study history then. Even if you mean oppressed in the US your narrative is wrong:
https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1206&context=qc_pubs
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/104973239200200205
and so on…
Oh and they were opressed because they were white yes? Like black people were for their “”“race”“”?
They weren’t. You are being silly.
if you have read the articles and studies i posted you would know that, in case of italians, they weren’t considered “white”. But keep parroting your narrative if it makes you feel better about your double standards.
Blocked.
Lmao that was literally my point? But sure, be like that.
Because people aren’t depicting Jesus as a white Caucasian male?
If the skin colour isn’t relevant to the story, it doesn’t matter. If it is relevant, it does.
Jesus was a Palestinian, so it’s ok to take Arab jobs and give em to black actors? Cleopatra was Greek/arab so I guess they can take their roles too.
It’s funny how everyone who isn’t black is suddenly white when it’s convenient. This isn’t black actors taking the roles of white Americans, it’s black actors playing Egyptians, Greeks, arabs, latinos, Asians. Are all those people white??
So I can hire Toby McGuire to play Sammy Davis jr and nobody will be mad?
It is different, if color of skin is a relevant part of the context of the story. Having John Brown played by a black man would be equally misleading.
For Anne Boleyn’s story on the other hand, racism did not play a part, because it wasn’t even invented yet.
…ok hol’ up.
racism did not play a part, because it wasn’t even invented yet.
Racism wasn’t invented before 1536, the year she got beheaded? The Portuguese had already transported the first slave ship to Brazil 10yr earlier, even if we pretend there was complete racial harmony before the transatlantic slave trade began, which is an absolutely insane thing to pretend, that still started before her death. Not to mention the fact that racism (and slavery no less) has been around since long before “transatlantic” was even a concept.
Slavery existed previously, and certainly xenophobia did. Those things are as old as time, nondoubt about it. But racism is something more specific: it’s an attempt to use pseudoscience to justify how you can simultaneously consider “all people are equal” (a core belief of the age of enlightenment) while also maintaining stark inequality and slavery (an economic reality of the time).
Did… did you just say racism wasnt a thing in 1530s Tudor England?
World’s first white first black president.
Completely unrealistic and understandable. Suit needs to be tan.
Take it easy man, we do not want to over stage Citizen Kane, here.
Mr. Tan Suit would win best supporting actor, AND best costume design, by itself.
Don’t forget his choice in condiments.
