never work for paypal. scumbags. he got what he deserved for flirting with satan. fuck paypal.
Never quit your job over an offer, I always run my time out at my old job.
Last job switch was last day on Friday, new day of first job on Monday.
Ah, a fellow wage slave.
What do you mean “running your time out”? I’m having difficulties understanding how that isn’t quitting your job
i think they mean - unless you have signed a proper contract (not just an offer) and there are now consequences for the employer if they let you go for no reason, then you should still stick to your old job
I don’t think that’s the majority of the companies work. You sign an offer, quit your old job on Friday (at the end of the notice), and sign the new contract the next Monday.
So this is some bullshit going on in America? Where I live the contract is signed ahead of time with a specific start date, so this signing an offer (which sounds like nothing more than a pinky promise) and then a contract on the first day is new knowledge to me.
That must be some American thing. You don’t quit until you sign a contract in Europe.
In the UK you can quit before you sign your employment contract, but by accepting the job offer, your contract with your new employer has already started, and so you’re protected. They can’t legally pull out without compensating you.
That is how you get exploited. There’s no reason to agree to such a setup.
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If you’re in Germany, don’t do this.
Please never explain.
OK 💖
Yeah this wouldn’t work in other European countries either.
I mean it’s not really needed in Europe where true legal rights exist for employees, right?
This is more of a “only in the USA” kind of thing.
Yup.
I had to get it out of my last role but I liked a lot of the people I worked with. So I gave a 60-day resignation. Which would give them time to bring in a new person to fill the role. And give me time to hand over different platforms and processes. And teach him how to do the job.
24 hours later I was laid off on the spot and my accounts all shut down.
Now a month later they have hired a new guy and he’s messaging me on LinkedIn begging for help.
I feel sorry for him. But fuck that…
Offer to help for an extremely petty consulting fee
I probably should. But I’m pretty stubborn when I feel betrayed.
Surely there are protections from this. If you have a signed employment contract and have given notice to your existing employer.
Oh, no wait. Working at Capitol One and an offer from PayPal so I guess they are in the US.
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Anything else would be communism since it would infringe on the company’s freedom to do with its human resources whatever the hell it pleases. Therefore, death cultists across the United States will adamantly oppose worker’s rights until their final breath.
Here in Italy I’m used to signing a letter of intent describing the future contract conditions BEFORE resigning from the current job
That’s basically what happened here, except the guy quit his job long before he had an employment contract, let alone a start date.
I don’t think there are explicit employer/employee federal regulations for that. There could be at the state level. However there are absolutely damages that occurred and a remedy can be pursued. It’s called promissory estoppel. A signed offer letter is a legally binding document. They don’t just get to wiggle out of that legally.
Can’t say for certain because I’ve never used it, but I’ve heard of a concept called promissory estoppel that might apply in situations like this.
That’s exactly what promissory estoppel is for. It’s a civil tort however, not criminal, so the vibes are very different.
What employment contract? Those are rare in the US.
Not sure if there’s specific nuance between an employment contract and an offer letter, but an offer letter is legally binding.
That post turned into garbage in the last visible paragraph. In such a case he should sue the recruiting company, not post about “have i given it my best”. LinkedIn trash
Maybe but are you really going to hire a lawyer to sue when you don’t have a job to pay the rent?
I know someone who went through a similar situation. The company said they were “just getting the paperwork ready” for like 4 weeks, meanwhile my friend turned down another job offer. Then suddenly the company that had been stringing them along said “sorry”.
My solution to this is that I accept the other job offer, and I don’t quit until the night before I start my first day in the new one. As a result I’ve never spent a single day unemployed. If something I’m counting on doesn’t come through I’m already at my backup plan.
If companies won’t be loyal to us in this way, why do we owe any loyalty to them in return?
If you’ve signed on an offer here, and it got rescinded, you’d have the easiest win in an employment lawsuit ever, maybe that doesn’t apply everywhere, but still seems worth a shot…
In such a case he should sue the recruiting company
IANAL, but it certainly seems like he may have a case for promissory estoppel.
I also ANAL, but I did take a contract law class in college and this is a textbook case. If it actually happened. And depending on how the “offer” was worded.
For a company like PayPal, I’m sure their legal team has written the offers in a way that they allow for this, and aren’t an employment contract.
Don’t be sure before at least talking to a lawyer.
Estoppel is a fantastic word.
Wikipedia article is accidental comedy, as well:
Bro’s been brainwashed by hustle & grind culture. He’s not ready to accept he’s a victim.
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Reads more like LinkedinLunatics
He’s being held hostage by unemployment in 2025. Even though it seems like he’s caving it’s not a bad move. He exposed the situation and at the same time kept an optimistic stance for future opportunities.
Yeah… you can tell this guy ain’t a TNG fan.
“It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not weakness, that is life.”
- Jean Luc Picard
What is happening here is techbro is now subject to a similar level of ‘trying to find a decent job related bullshit’ that the poors, the formerly middle class, and even the vast majority of other tech workers have been experiencing for… what, at least half a century, if not basically all of the history of capitalism?
His privelege has been nulled, and it affects him personally now, so now its a real problem.
EDIT: oh dear god he used to work at Binance.
Yeah, this guy can fuck all the way up his own ass amd then shit himself out, he gets the pico violin:
I’m sorry, but if a prospective employer is asking me to do seven rounds of interviews, I’m going to take that as a giant red flag that they a.) don’t respect me or my time and b.) are woefully incompetent at every other aspect of their business.
Yeah. I have been in a poition doing the hiring for over 10 years now and so far never ever needed more than three contacts with a possible employee. (Beide administrative things, like finding a dafe for an interview,etc.)
First contact Is via phone(or mail or a combination of both)if I find anything in the application that leaves questions open or is inconsistent.
Second contact is the actual interview. Nowadays m company is so small that we can do them “with the team”, back in an earlier job that was not possible - so part three was either an long interview with the team or (preferably but not always possible) a day working with the team. (Whicu is of course payed at the same rate everyone gets)
But in my country we have to reimburse peoples travel costs and “trial tasks” during interviews would need to be payed as well.
This was actually pretty normal for the last couple of tech jobs. Screening call with recruiter, phone screen with hiring manager, then a full-day on-site or zoom with 3-6 rounds. Sometimes, they would ask for a presentation about past work before the on-site. The number of rounds isn’t indicative of anything in big tech. Smaller companies do fewer and can’t afford to be as picky.
The problem is that after you’ve signed the offer and given your notice, you’re going on faith that the new company offer isn’t going to fall off. I’ve heard it happen a few times, usually when new company puts on a full hiring freeze.
It sucks, and the only way to mitigate it is to be talking to multiple companies when you decide to make a move.
I did three interviews once with a company. Even shadowed someone. Never doing that again. It’s a complete waste of time.
Best job I had so far gave me an offer after a single interview, worst one (current) took three, I recently quit after getting another single interview offer, I’m optimistic.
It needs to be illegal for employers to waste too much of our time.
This goes for interviews, commutes, and other situations where an employee is expected to give up their free time for free.
Thie idea that we owe parts of our lives and self that were never agreed upon when signing the contract needs to go away. The puritan work ethic needs to go away.
And we will need unions to accomplish this.
If they had to pay people for interviews they’d probably be a lot snappier about the process.
Like, sure, I’ll do nine hours of interviews if you’re paying me $100/hr.
I’m glad I don’t work a job where they give tasks as part of interviews. I’d want to invoice them for my work if they did.
The giant red flag is the name “PayPal”.
I jumped through hoops like that once. Six or seven interviews with everyone from HR to one of the company founders, had to submit a freaking essay, only to be low-balled by the salary at the end; I ended up declining the offer. Biggest waste of time.
“I quitted…” Maybe it was something elseM
Shenanigans.
Bilingual idiosyncrasies are not a factor in developer performance.
At least we know it was a real post and not AI
My last position I got called in and the sentence I was given was almost the same. We are letting you go and want you to know this is not due to any performance reason its just a business decision.
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And even if you do start the new job, most jobs have a probationary period around ninety days where they can just let you go for no reason at all.
Honestly I’ve lined most of my jobs up where theres slight over lap and all of I’ve been able to get out of my last few days early and atleast be covered for 2-4 weeks because ill still be get my paycheck from my previous job as im starting the new one.
Ive been doing this for 9 years and been at 4 different companies.
Seems wild to me to just quit a few weeks about and leave the gap but im also a financially the traumatized millennial.
Seems an argument for “over employment”, or at least taking a leave from current job to work second.
I mean, we live in a hellscape. Even if they had given him a start date, they can still fire him at any point for no reason. Labor has almost no protections (in the US, at least). It would be only slightly less bad to accept the new job, take it, quit the old job, and then get fired.
I’d rather we have like basic income, free health care, and public housing, so people don’t need to worry about dying because some capitalist is willing to hire them.
7 months ago I started a 6 month remote contract for chime.com.
At around 5 months, I asked my manager if she was going to extend me. She said no. Cool, whatever. Life of a contractor.
The product and engineer team rallied against ending my contract and my manager caved and extended my contract for another 6 months.
So a week into my new contract, they asked me to come into the office in San Francisco.
This is a difficult ask from me because I had to find a person to watch my son and my dogs. Drove my son an hour away to my sisters and paid a dog sitter 80/day to watch my dogs.
I land in San Francisco and my boss text me saying she has something important to tell me. I get into the office and a few hours later she cancels my contract because they want to have the person in my role local and to come into the SF office 4 days a week. This new position is also only paying 135k vs my 165k.
The irony of yet another fintech that enables you to do everything from your phone and yet wants the staff in the office. Screw them. You’ll find something better (if you haven’t already).
That’s deplorable! Did your contract have any early termination penalties?
No, not at all. I don’t understand why we even have contracts written if anyone can breach it at will.
Well, fuck them. Your product team and stuff sounds decent though. When they failed to find a local and asks you to come back, remember to demand a 10% raise.
My product team understands the needs. My engineers relies on me to make decisions.
At the end of the day, it’s all money. I’m here to make it. You’re there to exploit me. We have a mutual understanding.
No we don’t. I’m starting a private small business first chance I get. No one will get anything from me except exactly what they deserve
They won’t get more than the bare minimum from me.
Did you talk to a lawyer about this? Why are you so sure they can breach it?
No, I didn’t. I’m just going to learn from this. Never go out of my way for any corporate company.
If they signed the offer, is that not a contract? Do they not have a pretty clear breach of contract case here?
No, the offer doesn’t bind parties to sign a contract, it only cements contract details in advance. Both parties can walk away at any point without any explanation.
It’s like a price sticker in the supermarket - it tells you how much something costs and the retailer must respect that. But you are not forced to buy anything upon seeing a sticker.
But you are not forced to buy anything upon seeing a sticker.
of course, but this is like the cashier saying: nah we won’t accept your purchase, the security guard will escort you out of the shop
Right to work baby! At-will employment means “You can leave any time you want, but we can fire you any time we want.”
Yeah, I guess I forgot where I lived for a moment and took for granted my union contract.
People have been falling for the lies of big tech companies for too long. We desperately need unions, and those unions need to push back on these kinds of ineffectual, time-wasting hiring processes.
Look at this asshole though. The image cuts off right when he’s starting into the mealy-mouthed hustle culture part of the linkedin post. Gotta show that you, special magical you, are the one developer who doesn’t mind the exploitation. You stay positive and give 110% to everything, even when they’re fucking you over.
There’s always a stupid as shit hustle bro willing to scab and do the work, they can vibe code through it I guess. If this god forsaken industry had any solidarity at all, then no tech company you’ve ever heard of would be able to hire a single person any more.
Ill join a union if everyone else does.
That’s the point.
I know. However, with AI management will just take the 10% that choose not to join and give them the additional 90% of work, then hire offshore people to cover the rest. Their profits wont increase but theyll still make out like bandits because labor is cheaper.
H1B Visa workforce is the wave of the future. The Sociopathic Oligarchs are angling to create “Freedom Zones” where they will build their new facilities, complete with living facilities for their foreign workers. They will operate independent of government regulations of any kind. Skum is already working on it.
It’s literally how they use foreign workers in Arab countries. They usually use Indians or Filipinos, barely pay them, and strictly limit their personal agency. It’s literally slavery.
It’s coming to America. We can always pick fruit.
Christ. Yeah Ive seen the chinese shacks next to a 40 story luxury building. They barely treat them as animals let alone human.
I’ve seen it when passing thru Dubai.
Very hard to be team human when you see what we do to our own.
Yeah world has just gotten shittier for the bottom. No one truely cares about ending suffering as long as the rich doesnt have to endure it
this is why i simply refuse to work for anyone else. period.
i quit society in 2016 and have never looked back.
i quit society
you are lucky that your deserted island has an internet connection 😂
who says you have to live in complete isolation to stop participating? i just do what i want to do, when i want to do it.
who says you have to live in complete isolation to stop participating?
dictionary and common sense.
you have an internet connection. you are paying for it, or someone else on your behalf. you are eating food and probably paying for it too. you have not quit a society.
ok. i quit being a slave. how’s that?
as pretentious and exaggerated statement as the first one, or so i suspect. while there are unfortunately still slaves in this world, taking your first statement into account, i doubt you are a person who fled from literal slavery.
society is all around you and literally the only way to quit it is to move somewhere where it is not present. which is a deserted island, or few selected areas in central australia, central africa, maybe some northern canada…
but maybe i have it wrong, in that case please enlighten me and explain your secret. how have you exited the society while simultaneously having this discussion on the internet?
settle down poindexter
Lacks specificity, but the general sentiment is understood
it was understood in my first comment. you just wanted to put on your poindexter pants.
i wasn’t the person who replied to your first post.
The sentiment might have been somewhat clear, but the language indicated a misunderstanding of how much reliance there is upon society, which is what was called out (again, not by me).
You asked a question, i answered with my opinion also i look fabulous in my pointdexter pants, i even have the matching pocket protector.
Peter Thiel is evil. Don’t work for him. Don’t use his products.
As evidenced by his preposterously plagiarized company naming schemes that obnoxiously demonstrate to the world how profoundly he missed the point of Lord of the Rings, by going team Mordor and thinking he’s the hero. . .
When above all else, he desires power.
Theil holds Vance’s leash, tightly. If Vance becomes president, Theil becomes president.
You’re more likely to have his products used against you, by your government and the corporations that rule you.
Shocking to hear as I am Used to have binding consequences for such action in my country - feel u !
