Everyone should just give up on america at this point. Its a rotten place that wont reform for the good. Its people are so docile that they wont do anything unless you turn off their porn. Ameircans found out about epstein class and did nothing about it. Their protests are just peaceful parades that dont do anything. Theyre general strikes are just 1 hour long. Its a horrible country which daily terrorizes other countries for fun and its population is so depressed that they dont give a shit about any of that and they dont even care whats happening to each other and they dont care if pedophiles are ruling over them, they dont care about being lied to since they where born, theyd rather go to brunch or just watch some netflix garbage. Maybe im being pessimistic, but idk i think im being realistic and i feel justifies having this kind of attitude towards the empire and the people who live in it.
As usual, please base your thinking in Marxist Dialectical materialism and not emotions and vibes.
At the very least try to explain things materially. Yes, all these bad things have happened and the US populace hasn’t rebelled. At the very least do some analysis instead of giving up. The fact that this has occurred is an indictment of liberalism and all its failures, the fact people haven’t rebelled is an ultimate prover of Marxist theory over all others. It is backwards to say otherwise.
Edit: I think the reason i hate these posts so much is that they lack all courage. They throw their hands up into the air and say “well, we’ve tried everything.” Marxists have not spent 200 years developing dialectical materialism as an analysis method just to give up. At least Sakai tried. I still disagree but I’ll respect him for giving me something to wrestle with and consider.
How many times have i heard about revisionists originating from a failed revolution? From Germans to French to whomever else. Their revolution did not come and so they gave up. They declared marxism dead because they thought marxism to be god. The hippy revolution didn’t come so they declared marxism dead. The USSR fell and the great Angela Davis herself fell to reformism. Why? Because they did the same thing.
Ultra leftists in western Europe constantly declared a revolution impossible everywhere because they weren’t courageous enough to fight for it.
Liberals constantly use the lack of revolution as an indictment against marxism. Perhaps it’s different words, but to declare the revolution dead is to commit suicide before the first shot is even fired.
Also a quick reminder that the bloody Sunday of 1905 was done not on Bolsheviks or Mesheviks or SRs or anarchists, but on conservative Tsarists who were pleading with the Tsar, singing patriotic hymns and had no wider political demands. They were certainly criticized for this by Bolsheviks and such but it was the ultra leftists who threw their hands up and said Russia was too backwards for revolution while the Bolsheviks kept trying. Need I remind everyone who succeeded in the end?
Death to America means replacing the empire with an anti-imperialist state.
All of this simply shows that conditions have not yet deteriorated to a sufficient point where people in the imperial core are forced to develop class consciousness en masse. There is still too much comfort, it is still possible to go on as if nothing is happening because it’s not yet a life or death situation for most people. The good news is that this will change. As the empire loses more and more battles and begins to recede and turn inward, and as the global south rises alongside China, the possibility for extraction of super profits with which to bribe imperial core populations will dwindle. At that point the labor aristocracy of the imperial core will slide into true proletarianization and existential precariousness which will force an awakening.
TL;DR: you have to look at things dialectically. Everything is in a state of flow and change. What is true today will not necessarily be true tomorrow.
First test at contained globalization; it’s a shitshow. Watch itself turn on itself repeatedly. Watch the hubris spill over. Watch it struggle to balance the power of its majority versus the theory even the smallest majority is as equal. Watch it rip itself apart over race, and even after that’s settled keep trying to make new rules. Watch its women fight for equality, its queers fight for equality. Watch them win and then face a new wave of persecution, then fight again. Call for others to give up on it after all that blood, all those lives given. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you, you self-righteous fucking internet coward. Fuck you for everyone who has ever and continues to fight. Fuck you.
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Harder to roll things back when the people who would seek to roll them back no longer exist. The fight against tyranny, bigotry, and fascism isn’t about eliminating the tyrants, bigots, and fascists in power, it’s about eliminating what empowers them.
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Leadership is empowered by the people. Eliminate the people that support such leadership and support such industry from the bottom up, erode their support base. We’ve already seen with Brian and Charlie that attacking power and influence does nothing, it just plugs a new seat-warmer into the system or uses martyrdom to catapult its agenda to the next level. You can gather as many people together as you like to “demand” whatever it is that you want, but without the resolve to force the issue should the demand be ignored, demands mean nothing. You’re not just up against the wealth class, you’re up against an entitled middle class that has “enough” and will empower a wealth class to do the dirty work of suppressing upward mobility for anyone else. There’s people who would be unable to survive without our meager social supports that will empower people who promise to rip away social supports. Whether they think they’ll be the exception to that rule or are willing to ruin themselves just to ruin someone else… who knows.
The working class does not unite because it there is a culture of bigotry deeply embedded in the social culture. Some of it is manipulated by leaders to secure their ascension, sometimes they play toss the scraps and let us squabble while they play the party power trade game while having no intention of bringing any real change to the system. No amount of talk, no amount of economic or political change is going to amount to anything if the people seeking change don’t address the root of the problem- the fascist loving bigots in their neighborhood. Allow that to continue and America’s culture of hate might get defeated short term, but just like Reconciliation, it’ll fester, plot, scheme, strategize, divert, create loopholes, exploit, and even if it takes 150yrs, it’ll resurface as the same old hate in a new hat.
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Brian Thompson, healthcare CEO shot and killed 12/24, replaced by another of the same cloth a month later. Charlie Kirk, conservative Internet personality shot and killed 09/25, had a WWE pay-per-view grade memorial service the same month and is now the next generation Confederate war memorial with statues, roads, and textbooks rewriting his myth. Plus he got replaced by what is arguably a more intelligent and dangerous demagogue than he himself ever was.
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This is some ultraleft thinking. People here are trying their best and the Communism is growing especially groups like the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) which is gaining more support their its protests.
