I was in my mid 30s when I Greta came onto the world stage and I want to be like her when I grow up…
She was also immediately identified as such a threat to status-quo that a lot of effort went into associating her name with “cringe” and people pushed that kind of reaction real hard and it worked. I cannot believe how many arguments I had with other environmental leftists and liberals on places like reddit who hated her but had no idea why.
“Her message is great, but maybe we don’t want her representing these causes” is the line a lot of people defaulted to, and when pressed, proceeded to drop the flimsiest and most half-assed reasoning like “Well her parents are wealthy so it looks bad” or “she’s going to be a distraction” and other nonsense where people simply couldn’t connect the lines and realize they were already influenced by manufactured “online reactions” and memes that associated her name with a “child doing public speaking” which makes people really uncomfortable.
Now she’s an adult, she’s remained consistent in her tone, messaging and passion, and people STILL connect her to “child making an ugly face while shaming grown ups” and this is why she’s in so much danger right now. She’s a threat to power and they used a lot of their bigger cards to smear her enough that a large portion of the world wouldn’t mourn if she were “accidentally” killed in service of her messages.
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Poor girl, I hope she lives through this.
Why the use of the word “poor”? She’s being brave as hell and using her publicity in a very productive manner.
Please don’t ask me to explain my use of english 🙈
I hope for the best, but I know how this world works. Her death will not move mountains, just add another name to the list of innocent people that have died from this “conflict”. It will be a blip across the screen for maybe a day, and then the next horrible thing will happen to take it’s place.
Thank you for the explanation. I don’t think you’re wrong, but I do think you underestimate the protective power of name recognition. It’s stupid it works this way, but simply by being there she offers some additional protection to all the other brave individuals participating and thus reduces the chances that they all become names on that list.
I wish others in her position could realize that fact and be brave enough to put themselves in harms way to reduce the risk us mere mortals face.
Save the obituary for if it plays out that way though. Letting your mind run wild with pre-emptive defeatism depletes your energy without giving you any productive results. I’m sorry if I sound patronizing but I see so much of this lately and I think we need to address it more because so many people are paralyzed in fear and hopelessness at a time where maintaining one’s agency is crucial.
Thank you for posting this comment - I fully agree.
Pre-emptive defeatism certainly depletes energy.
It’s so often the first comment I see on an article… Sad and defeated. Kind makes me feel apathetic. So I appreciate you posting that
Waaa look at mee i make entire comments over semantics!
I’d encourage you to read the reply from SassyRamen and the subsequent discussion there. It’s not about being “semantically correct” it’s about understanding.
I understand why people are pedants
technical correctness is the best kind.
And she’s hardly poor for sure.
Not really a girl anymore either. She’s an adult. She is a woman.
She’s not the first to try. Israel doesn’t want a repeat of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla from 2010. Israel will sabotage her boat so she can’t sail. Greta won‘t get anywhere near Gaza.
Breaching a naval blockade in times of war is very serious business.
but by placing notable people in there (who are genuinely risking their lives) will bring more attention, deter an attack, and bring so much more attention if there’s one.
True bravery is using yourself as a human shield. unlike the mosquito protocol
You hope. It isn’t the ones who know who you are that push the button. You hope…
Well, the previous attempt was already attacked by drone strikes, most plausibly Israeli drones strikes or strikes by another terror state allied to Israel.
It’s clear that the israelis are free to murder who they like. Only the risk of negative publicity dissuades them and since most corporate media is Zionist supporting, this really makes everyone who stands up to these monsters a potential target.
israel is concerned about losing the support of the west, after trump called for ceasefire and started make deals with saudis and Qatar
Only the risk of negative publicity dissuades them
What? Killing journalists, medics and shooting at diplomats is positive publicity?
No of course not but these killings tend to be swept under the rug by the media or get drowned out in the sea of atrocities being committed.
Somebody like Greta being killed would cause a media storm which is why I don’t think the Zios would try as much as they would like to. Killing female activists is a specialty. See Rachel Corrie.
See Rachel Corrie.
Which i hadn’t known about until today.
Damn, I never heard of her before, thank you for sharing
They celebrate her death in Israel by making pancakes.
Deeply unwell society.
Following the incident, an Israeli military investigation concluded that Corrie’s death was the result of an accident and that the bulldozer operator had limited visibility.
We investigated ourselves and found that we didn’t murderl her, and that we aren’t committing genocide. Hurray!
Guess that’ll be a similar page for Greta soon and 20 years later someone will post that and a lot will comment back with “Who?”.
She already has a page, it will be a larger section on her many achievements.
We’re talking about it 20 years later, hope more people read it. RIP.
Big respect.
I’m scared for her.
There is dying, and there is dying a good death.
Greta Thunberg will die a good death. And she will be one of the few our descendants that they can point to show that humanity had a fan.
Her actions are guarantee to that.
I’m monitoring that bloat in a online tracker, I’m stressed too.
if a fraction of us were a fraction of her the would would me a much better place.
How can I monitor her too?
i think it’s the right ship
Damn, that is not a big boat and could easily be destroyed. Cool website and god speed to Greta.
Pls fix these typos lol I agree with your message tho
[…] She tried the same about a month ago and her ship was bombed in a drone strike.
Depending on exactly what they mean by “her ship”, this is either false or misleading. Presumably, they are referring to the incident that occurred on 2025 May 2 [1]; however, Greta Thunberg was not on board that ship [2]. Therefore, it would be false if, by “her ship”, they meant she was physically present on the ship during the incident, or it would be misleading, imo, if, by “her ship”, they mean that she was supposed to be on it. Another possible option could be that they meant that she personally owns the ship; however, if so, that would also be false, as it is owned by a Turkish NGO [1.1].
References
- Type: Article. Title: “2025 Gaza Freedom Flotilla incident”. Publisher: “Wikipedia”. Published: 2025-05-30T03:31Z. Accessed: 2025-06-02T05:28Z. URI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_Freedom_Flotilla_incident.
- Type: Text. Location: §“Background”. §“Freedom Flotilla Coalition”. §“The Conscience”.
[…] the vessel is owned by the Turkish non-governmental organization Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (İHH). […]
- Type: Text. Location: §“Background”. §“Freedom Flotilla Coalition”. §“The Conscience”.
- Type: Article. Title: “Was Greta Thunberg on the ship that caught fire off Malta after alleged Israeli drone attack?”. Publisher: “The Times of India”. Published: 2025-05-05T21:02+05:30. Accessed: 2025-06-02T05:34Z. URI: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/was-greta-thunberg-on-the-ship-that-caught-fire-off-malta-after-alleged-israeli-drone-attack/articleshow/120904802.cms?hl=en-US.
- Type: Text. Location: ¶1.
[…] as clarified by Greta in her statement, that she was supposed to board the vessel but was not on it. […]
- Type: Text. Location: ¶1.
“Her ship tried the same a month ago” would be slightly better.
Hrm, idk. I think I would just avoid the reference altogether. It feels, to me, like the reference emotionally charges the reporting too much for my liking. That being said, perhaps something more like this: “A month after a ship with the same destination that she was to board was allegedly bombed, Greta Thunberg sets sail to Gaza.”.
You’re taking the sentence way too literally, you need to chill a little, dude. They mean the ship she was due to travel on. It’s longer to say it that way, so they say “her ship”. Similarly, if you were going to fly on an airplane, people would say what time does your plane land? They don’t think you own the plane. You had a misunderstanding.
Similarly, if you were going to fly on an airplane, people would say what time does your plane land? They don’t think you own the plane.
I think that’s a fair point!
[…] You had a misunderstanding.
When I first read it, it felt, to me, like they were insinuating that she was on board and in transit while it happened, but on second thought perhaps I read too much into it.
- Type: Article. Title: “2025 Gaza Freedom Flotilla incident”. Publisher: “Wikipedia”. Published: 2025-05-30T03:31Z. Accessed: 2025-06-02T05:28Z. URI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_Freedom_Flotilla_incident.
Why don’t they use drones lol. Smaller, faster, doesn’t risk anyone’s life, and if the hardware’s right they’ll have free reign (for a while).
This is a classic and highly effective civil resistance strategy. Drones can simply be shot down. But doing the same to a ship full of world-famous peace activists will be much more politically costly to Israel.
I fully agree with you and I appreciate you posting this comment. Thank you.
They don’t care about activists, if the goal is to distribute aid getting killed seems counter-intuitive.
edit: also drones are dirt cheap, so what if some of your quads get shot, you can launch hundreds at once
edit2: and depending on the speed and size, the chances of shooting them down go down. I don’t think they have trophies on every meter of coastline or loads of EW for every frequency.
Btw I’m super interested in stats on efficiency of this sort of thing, and not peace time smuggling or blockade running but these exact scenarios of civilians breaking military blockadesedit: also drones are dirt cheap, so what if some of your quads get shot, you can launch hundreds at once
there were 2 million people in gaza at the end of 2024 according to wiki.
the “dirt cheap” drones will cost 10k+ usd and will be able to carry few kg of payload for quite a limited distance, say 10km.
feeding 2 million people using that can only work in a kid’s cartoon show.
what kinda drones are you people buying??? like, they already have a ship, I’m not saying to forget the ship, just use it as a launch platform so you don’t get shot???
edit: also be real, that handful of ships isn’t gonna feed 2 million either
edit2: btw just checked, i can get a top of the line 17" fpv for about 1000 bucks, carries 9kg and goes 20km, max speed is 160kph (i assume after it drops the payload)
Just in case it isn’t clear: I’m proposing it as a last-mile delivery vehicle, not as a total replacement
100 drones like you are talking about could carry maybe a few boxes worth of aid, basically nothing compared to even a small boat, and they would likely be shot down on the way. Obviously they aren’t trying to feed everyone with this ship, but even one is better than zero when people are dying of starvation and treatable illnesses.
If they launched drones of any type from a ship the IDF would probably bomb it immediately, they wouldn’t be able to launch them far enough away to be safe from Israel.
Idk to me drones are a lifesaving tech, you’re right though since they wouldn’t care either way. I just like drones for their evasive nature.
True, drones are changing the way things are being done, and a plan like you’re saying isnt necessarily impossible, people should be doing everything they can so even if it might not be the best it could help. I’m curious how feasible it would be to help militarily with consumer drones, if they could get in to give aid then maybe they could get in to disrupt IDF operations.
Israel doesn’t give a fuck. The US has its back no matter what and that’s all they need to effectively continue with their extermination campaign. If Greta dies then the EU will wag its finger even harder at Israel and the US won’t say shit at best or blame Greta and accuse her of being a terrorist sympathizer at worst.
I don’t think that the politicians in countries like Sweden can afford to just wave away one of their most internationally known citizens to be murdered by a terrorist state and watch as the EU keeps arming and supporting that terrorist state.
Okay, that’s definitely suicidal though. Like, is she actually expecting to get through? The Israelis are executing medics and children over there.
Let’s not call being ready to give your life for a cause being suicidal. Desperate, sure, but not that
I don’t think the expectation is they will get through. The goal is to create a scandal that will increase international attention and pressure to make them stop.
If they hurt Greta I predict there will be a lot of backlash due to her fame and popularity.
I wish I could agree with you, but the situation in Gaza looks more and more like something we’ve seen before. After the end of World War 2, the world reacted with shock at what had been done to the Jews - murder has never been committed on such a grand scale and in such organized fashion. Jews had been dehumanised in public long before, being equated to rats and other vermin. The Zionists currently holding on to power in Israel are using the same kind of rhetoric against Palestinians. However, one difference between then and now is that the Rwanda genocide taught us that the world is entirely capable of sitting back and watch the horror unfold, even though we’re all fully informed of what’s going on. A ship of brave volunteers being sunk would cause a stern letter or at best sanctions. Israel can act with utter impunity as long as they’re backed by their big brother Uncle Sam.
Israel can act with utter impunity as long as they’re backed by their big brother Uncle Sam.
What is to be done? In WW2, partisans helped stop the holocaust. Palestine is such a controlled area, far from the homes of most of us, it feels like there is no action that we can do to even slow the murder we are watching, while our governments cheer it on. So it’s not surprising when people start shooting Israeli embassy staff or attacking anything connected to Israel they can find.
I don’t think people want to sit back, this violence strikes a chord in anyone with empathy for innocent people. We can’t directly stop the IDF, but there are people, companies and manufacturers in many countries that are supporting this. We need to stop the supply of weapons and components at their source, most of which comes from the US.
And the American arms industry is the backbone of the military industrial complex, bringing in vast amounts of money to the US every year. The world’s biggest arms exporter can only benefit from someone else’s war. Without that industry, my guess is the United States treasury would become completely overwhelmed by their sovereign debt and collapse very quickly, so the government on either side of the aisle will protect it with all their might.
If they hurt Greta I predict there will be a lot of backlash due to her fame and popularity.
There will be a lot of “thoughts and prayers”, a lot of “how dare you”, also lots of “this is a diplomatic incident” sprinkled with maybe sanctions if ever… and that’s it, just words.
I hope i’m wrong.I don’t think sinking this aid vessel would do anything to change the public conversation. The people who are aware already either condemn Israel or support the genocide. The unaware will not care about a handful more dead innocents.
The bottom line is that Israel is openly and proudly committing atrocities and the international community is not willing to stop it. Only a military intervention could dissuade the IDF.
Stop giving Israel weapons that enable them to commit their murders, and they’ll stop.
They are making plenty of those themselves though.
With imported fuel, metal and more advanced parts.
Yes, of course, but I believe a broader trade embargo will be even harder to sell than a weapons embargo.
Publicly murdering a well-known pretty white girl is the kind of thing that might get the public on-board with military intervention
“she shouldn’t have been there anyways”, “must have been the houthis with their magic long-range rockets”, etc etc.
Good on her for standing up to what she believes in… but I don’t really see it changing anyone’s opinions if she’s unfortunately murdered, but I hope I’m just pessimistic.
Also a great way to interconnect the climate and Palestinian struggles
Hasn’t her fame faded a bunch in recent years though?
Also, if executing medics, responders and children won’t cause a scandal, this won’t.
The media stopped reporting on her for the most part. She’s still going strong for the people paying attention
I keep imagining Israeli soldiers screaming “it’s anti semetic!” just like South Park “It’s coming right for us!” to excuse every hail of bullets.
The amount of stuff she’s been involved in she definitely has main character syndrome and fully believes this’ll work out well.
I don’t want it to sound like im belittling the effort. Its brave as all shit and the best cause I can think of, but still.
Wow because someone wants to get of their ass and do something to try to better the world they have main character syndrome. Well then I wish more people had it so they could get off their lazy asses and try to better the world.
No i was more thinking that because she’s become the face of planetary eco-warriorism she’ll have started to internalise the concept that she has plot armor. Which isn’t real in real life.
That is happening entirely in your head, not reality
Pretty wildly demeaning to take someone doing something brave and putting her body on the line for people in need as “main character syndrome”. What have you done lately?
I agree. Thunberg is a real hero. I feel like a coward in comparison. We owe it to the people standing up and fighting back
What have you done lately?
what they have done lately has zero effect on whether the discussed move is smart or not. that is not how stuff works.
This has wildly more impact than anything you’re doing and what most people like you are doing (voting for more genocide)
oh no. i didn’t give up to logical fallacy so now i am voting for a genocide? now that is some debate championship stuff. how was kindergarten today?
So when someone doesnt vote they’re the problem, and when they do vote they’re the problem?
How’s the average person supposed to do anything?
Nobody said either of those
It was the part where they said (voting for more genocide) that made me think they said either of those. Sorry. I’ll work on my reading comprehension I guess.
We were not talking smart or not, the discussion was about main character syndrom/brave.
brave
I was talking about the fact that “what have you done” is childish effort to protect yourself from an argument.
and there is thin line between brave and stupid. only the person with main character syndrom will try to shield a grenade with their body hoping the plot armor will protect them.
Some people are willing to die for others. They don’t think they have plot armor, they are aware that they will probably die. It’s not stupidity, it’s bravery. I find it sad that people tend to belittle this kind of action.
they are aware that they will probably die. It’s not stupidity, it’s bravery.
if you expect to die and still go through with your plan, that it is the definition of stupidity. if you think you are so important that your death will move millions and finally change things, that is the main character syndrome that is being discussed.
in reality, she will get two news cycles and that will be it. nothing will be changed and she will be dead. if she really wants to do something, it is much smarter to do anything where she does not die in the process.
Maybe it will work out. You know what won’t though? You doing nothing and very much belittling her on the Internet.
Im just saying nobody with all their marbles would seriously believe it will end in anything but their own death.
Imagine sitting on a bus and looking at a woman who refuses to move to give up her seat and thinking “man, she must have main character syndrome”. If only we had you back there to diagnose her, maybe history would be different now.
Yeah man imagine having a time machine
I hope she will not die at the hands of
Oof, they got him
Better watch out for
Oh shi
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OK Greta used to get on my nerves. but this bitch is legit. Fuck yeah… *edit after reading the comments and looking up that she wasn’t on the original ship it seems that this is just libturd propaganda. Greta can eat my woke culture war idendity politics red team blue team tribalism hateing arse. Kenetic revolution is the only way
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Attaching herself to the latest cause célèbre? Are you clinically insane? She is boarding a ship not liking an Instagram post
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Oh I remember your username now. Yeah, its never worth talking to you is it.
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Gatekeeping advocacy against a genocide is the wildest kind of lib brain
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Wtf?! Are you guys against the genocide or not? I get not everyone getting on a boat and dareing two countries to bomb you, but to judge someone who would for a good cause is beyond bull shit.
I don’t care if she was the most self centered person ever, seems to me she is walking the walk and using what fame she has, that she got by doing this kinda thing in the first place for the most pressing cause. I don’t know what more you could have asked for
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I didn’t mention wether or not she got on the boat before, She’s planning on going on one now where you have law makers making veiled threats on her life. And i can not find anywhere that she told people to drop out of school. She recommended people to go on strike from school for a specific event, and then protest every Friday thereafter. She finished her schooling in 2023 afterward. She never argued that we don’t need more climate scientists, but fucking news flash, nobodies even giving them the time of day let alone any media presence, that’s not her fault. And you dismissing her previous efforts because she is a privileged white girl is wild, unless you expect only disempowered minorities to fight against a god dammed genocide.
All these false talking points and lies smell of right wing am radio trash.
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Your inter thoughts and conflict fed by outright lies. You won’t answer me correcting your slander? I wonder why. It’s those lies that are talking points and they were fed to you from somewhere. You misremember? Then you have to reconcile the premise of your position! Also what is it about her being privileged and white that makes her unable to fight against a genocide? I am not going to let you just shrug that off as if your “discussion” has any merits.
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She’s got more guts than the idiots who mock & criticise her.
She’s got more guts than most, even those like me who respect and agree with her, and fear for her life.
People who mock her just blow my mind. Even worse when she was still underage. People were like: yeah i put a “Fuck Greta” sticker on my shitty car, that will teach that 15 year old girl to shut the fuck up.
I always viewed her as the girl who just cried and everyone said respect for that. I thought it was a bit dumb and cringe.
I’m glad to see her do things like this. It changed my mind. Respect to her.
You fell victim to a deliberate smear campaign designed to paint her in an uncharitable light. The neoliberal ghouls tried to use her image to greenwash their enterprise and she resisted. When she became aware of how she was being used she shifted strategies and the media dropped her like a sack of bricks and allowed the conservative smears to dominate the narrative about her. She was essentially radicalized by her experience trying to appeal to the powers that be and finding out first hand that they had no interest in correcting course. No corporate media would want her real story to become common knowledge.
I don’t believe so. I saw that in class, and she wasn’t portrayed in a wrong way. Most people had positive impressions about her. I just felt that she didn’t do anything this hard, and saw that she really was here for the cameras.
I’m glad to see she’s doing these kind of things now
Our shitbag politicians in the US even nag her, Lindsey Graham tweeted about ‘hoping they know how to swim.’ I hope Lindsey Graham falls down some stairs and never gets up.
That closeted queer deserves a far more painful end. A long, protracted one. Maybe being eaten feet first by Randy Fine.
Can we not call people closeted queers as an insult please
He’s a stomach curdling old psychopath and should be put into an old folk’s home. Better?
I hope one of Lady G’s male escorts outside him, which destroys his political career.
I thought everyone hated her. I could have sworn that like a year ago online discussion was nothing but how terrible she is.
There’s always been very vocal criticisms of her from people who don’t agree with her (for whatever reason they may have). But since she first started her activism, over a decade ago, no one I personally know has had a negative view of her. The people who don’t like her are very vocal about it, but on the whole I’ve always assumed she’s well liked.
I’ve personally been a fan of hers since I found out about her, and every time I hear about her doing something I basically always go “hell yeah”
Me too. But I always feel like people like here are abandon by us because if I go anywhere other then these left spaces, she gets crucified and there’s no defense
You hang out toouch in right wing echo chambers
Part of it is the fact that there was an absolutely vicious smear campaign against her character when she first started speaking out. It did a lot to mark her as “cringe”, which made people dismiss her.
Then why was there not an effort to counter that smear campaign. We all saw it but did nothing except let it go on.
It was things like that which has made me so pessimistic and hateful of that left as a whole. I see people today here on Lemmy so passionate and angry at trump. Yet also ineffective for the past decade.
Yeah, let me just spin up my bot farm paid for by me to counter the other bot farms by the corporate interests and mega donors
Whatever you need to tell yourself. You people will drive 8 hours to stand in the rain yelling just to go back home with no progress. You’ll come online every day and cry about trump. But actively engage people outside these echo chambers, that’s impossible something something bot farms.
What do you mean by “you people?”
Short Kings
Alright smart guy, what’s the plan then? Please enlighten us dumb and incompetent leftists with the work of pure genius you’re clearly keeping up your sleeve about how to counter the corporate media and their billions. We’re all so excited to hear it.
Stop being dumb and incompetent. Whatever you’re doing now, do the fucking opposite because what you all have been doing is fucking terrible. It’s like asking Toronto Maple Leafs how to win the cup. Truth is, do the opposite of whatever you’ve been doing. To do that, you first have to admit there’s a problem otherwise there’s no need to change. Wouldn’t it be nice to see people who fail, change course before they hit rock bottom. Problem for us is rock bottom will be prison camps overseen by Dan Bongino.
Stop telling each other “don’t wrestle with pigs it only blah blah blah”
Stop telling each other to avoid social media.
Create content.
Upvote any content, don’t be a snob, support content.
Don’t leave people hanging or turn on them the minute the right put out smear.
At one point we were all over everything and then… We all pulled back.
I shouldn’t open Facebook and find racist, sexist, homophobic garbage flooding the comments unchallenged. Push back. Troll the worst offenders. Flood the mild ones with truth and receipts. The right never lets a narrative die and neither should we.
We need to keep the public eye on the chaos, cruelty, and corruption. We’ve already forgotten about Taco. That’s on us. If we don’t keep it fresh and visible, we lose. Period.
There are a thousand places to improve. But no one admits there’s a problem. And if no one admits it, no one changes. And if no one changes we lose.
Check it out.
https://lemmy.world/comment/17420242
If she was a Republican there would be no webpage online without their base using this to show how evil and murderous and blood thirsty the left is. The left will debate a bit on these posts and then go play helldiver for a few hours. The effort across political aisles is asymmetrical. It’s not just due to bots. It’s the average leftist being all talk
There are people creating things but it all feels like when it gets to us, we drop the baton whereas the right > carry it all the way.
You brilliant son of a bitch, that’s exactly what we need… An anti bot bot farm… Where users can download an app and join a pool of users to fight propaganda online… I have no idea how that is supposed to work… But yeah…
when she was younger she was paraded by libs for green washing, the media either hated her or loved her.
when thise libs realised she isn’t a grifter the mass media either ignored her or kept on hating her.
I used to be critical of her, I thought she was just a kid being used by her rich parents as a mouth piece. But she has kept her course and changed my mind completely, truly very few people in the world would have courage to do something lile this. I hope she comes back alive from this, we need more people like her.
