• vogo13@sh.itjust.worksdeleted by creator
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    1 year ago

    Heres your reminder to get the fuck off the internet in your free time, stop giving these bastards your data for free

  • onion_trial@europe.pub
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    1 year ago

    The big tech industry products are like that. There are still small communities which are meaningful, peaceful and friendly.

    Take a look at knockout.chat

    • Čauky Mňauky@lemmy.zip
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      1 year ago

      Oh, that’s what the old Facepunch forum evolved into, right? Yeah, that was a really nice place when I last visited, but that was years ago. I just felt like I had grown out of it.

  • the_wiz@feddit.orgEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I was there, even a couple years before that… and in reality not so much has changed.

    What we now call “The Internet” is what BTX (in germany) was back then: A commercialised platform controlled by corporations. Trolling, hate, ragebait… all nothing new, just look at archived posts from the Usenet!

    The cool thing is that we now can rebuild something that is more akin to the BBS networks of yesteryear, something like the Fido-net, something that is entirely owned by the people using it.

    • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
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      1 year ago

      It was for sure toxic af, but a lot less commercial. Actually the early internet was incredibly hostile to corps, but then the banner ads came, and the eyeballs, and the ads started actually making more money than just server costs, and it was all over.

      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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        1 year ago

        There was always a tacit understanding you were coming into someone’s house. Sometimes quite literally. The server for a forum I used for 20+ years was in various apartment closets most of that time. House rules, so to speak, weren’t controversial.

        Now everyone’s used to using centralized commercial servers for rent, with things like ads and liability insurance. Social media is considered a public space, even when it isn’t.

        • AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 year ago

          I’m reminded of some business-person(?) saying that people often forget that “store this on the cloud” is basically saying “store this on someone else’s computer”. I have used this reframing a few times to help ground discussions around data infrastructure.

        • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
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          1 year ago

          Social media is considered a public space, even when it isn’t.

          Like when people claim their right to free speech was denied because a privately-owned website banned them. They seem to think that if a platform allows them to speak publically, it’s the same as saying something out in a public street.

          In reality, it’s more like being in a venue with an open mic - it’s a private (and likely commercial) space by default. If you go up on stage and say something the owners or managers don’t like, you absolutely can be kicked out for it. Private websites, including social media, are the same way.

        • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
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          1 year ago

          Yup. Mainstream social media is chaos, not community. I would even extend this to fedi if we aren’t careful.

  • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Ah yes, the halceon days of non-stop pop-up ads and malware taskbars. /s

    Not to mention that everything they mentioned was absolutely started to become what it is today. Nothing changed, they just progressed their plans over 20 years. Pretending it was all started with benevolent intentions is naive at best.

  • PaulBunyan@lemm.eeEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Google did not work great. Finding what you’re looking for resulted in going through a ton of pages of results. It was chaotic.

  • blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    On the early days of the internet, I found a website about a comic I like. I emailed the person who made the website. I told them that I liked the site, and I sent them a game that I’d made (which had nothing whatsoever to do with the comic or their site). They tried the game and said it was fun…

    That kind of interaction can never happen any more. Money has ruined it. Scams and monetization, everywhere, making everything into manipulative toxic sludge.

  • sandflavoured@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    It really doesn’t need to be this way.

    At any time, we can decide to open our own blog for $9 a year. At any time we can choose to ditch algorithmic socials.

    If we don’t like them, we don’t need to use them, and just switch off.

  • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Between SEO and Googles own bullshit finding information online feels like trying to find the milk in a supermarket or the exit in a casino, designed to make you pass through as much bullshit that’s completely unrelated to what you actually want as possible.

  • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
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    1 year ago

    It’s a bit more nuanced. Trolling and ragebait absolutely was a thing, but there was still a certain sense that it was just part of the Wild West nature of the internet. Someone posting racist garbage on a phpBB would be a minor irritant that would catch a bit of flak but be otherwise ignored.

    These days it’s entire office blocks full of professional trolls armed with advanced analytics, profiling systems and AI paid to push political agendas. And the most frustrating part of it is that despite the fact that everyone knows this to be true, it’s still working anyway and we have elected officials of ostensibly Developed countries repeating obvious bullshit they saw online.

    • 0x0@lemmy.zip
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      1 year ago

      People had thicker skins too and IRC’s /ignore was used.
      People now whimper over anything and can’t seem to know how to block others.

    • squaresinger@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Trolls actually saw themselves as an art from. Everyone else saw them as annoying cretins.

      I agree with your comment.