Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, ripped Donald Trump for his military attack against Iran on Saturday, saying the move is “absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”
Ocasio-Cortez ripped the president’s action on X, formerly Twitter, and wrote, “The President’s disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers. He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”
On the other hand, Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, came to Trump’s side and wrote on X, “As I’ve long maintained, this was the correct move by @POTUS. Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities. I’m grateful for and salute the finest military in the world.”
No impeachments until they know they can get a conviction in the Senate, which is highly unlikely.
Besides, an impeachment only makes Peter Theil (Vance’s leash holder) the president, then we’re out of the frying pan and into the fire.
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Theil is already president, and probably has been for longer than I care to imagine.
Really? What’s the proof of that?
I want him actually removed from office. He was already impeached. Twice! It didn’t do anything.
Impeachment is how you do that…
The house brings articles of impeachment, and term it’s up to the Senate to decide whether or not the president should be convicted, and thus removed from office
There’s another way, a more powerful way. But I don’t think the U. S. people has the resolve to do what their founding fathers did.
The US founding fathers never overthrew their leader. They just stopped answering the mail of a guy on the other side of the Atlantic.
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Doesn’t matter they should still introduce the bill
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Like Obama’s action against Libya? 🤔
Look, I don’t like Trump either, but this is the same bullshit threat Republicans dropped when Obama was President.
If Congress wants the power to declare war back they need to repeal the war powers act.
I’m a bit confused. Isn’t the War Powers Act what gives congress the power to declare war, and the president can only do so if the US is DIRECTLY attacked? Someone more educated in US constitutional acts please correct me if I’m wrong, I know post-9/11 a lot of stuff got…“suspended in times of need”.
The war powers act makes it lawful for a president to take military action against any country, provided Congress is notified within 48 hours of that action. Then a president gets 60 days + 30 “withdrawal” to wage any war they want without congressional approval. Furthermore it’s been ruled violations are basically irrelevant if troops are gone before the matter gets to the supreme court.
Clinton and Obama both violated this law with 0 consequences. Trump might also violate the law, but we won’t know for 90 days.
This is the right answer. Trump is absolutely a piece of garbage, and I think he was wrong for attacking Iran, but at this point I don’t think he’s broken any laws by attacking Iran.
I see, thank you for the explanation! I only learned about it in school within the context of Nixon and Vietnam during history class.
Agreed. Except Netanyahu, a genocidal prick pulling the puppet strings of the White House for years, didn’t goad Obama into that. Obama made that terrible decision alone.
Trump is a manbaby who’s easily manipulated.
We’d have to prove that Trump was inappropriately influenced by an outside power before I support impeachment. Even though my gut tells me he probably traded bombs for a bucket of fried chicken…
Really? Even though he blatantly defied the constitution and attacked a foreign state out of nowhere without approval? That isn’t enough, he also needs to be stupid and easily manipulated (which he obviously is based on the mountains of evidence) before you want to hold him accountable?
Go fuck yourself.
I will go fuck myself. But let’s be fair. Clinton and Obama both dropped bombs(Obama did it theu drone strikes) on Iraq and other places like Yeman. Must be realistic about what “impeachable offenses” are and since “official acts” are off the table for presidential prosecution we should look to see if an act was “unofficial” i.e. illegal.
Fuck your red herring. They should’ve been punished too. Continue to go fuck yourself.
Well, I truly believe Trump is evil and should be impeached and thrown of out office, I just don’t think it will be for this unless an inside can provide proof that Trump did it for reasons, “OTHER Than self defense”, it’s just too easy for our Presidents to say, “I felt like Iran was a threat that constituted an emergency and then decided to act in order to protect America.”.
Over all, we’ve just given the PResident far too much power.
And I agree with your previous statement, he should have had authorization from somewhere, like a defense subcommittee or joint congressional/bi-partisan panel. This is something we should probably fix for the future…
How do you know who influenced Obama’s decisions?
Wasn’t right then, and isn’t right now.
It will never happen. Instead, thousands will die (mostly innocents) and Americans will never get healthcare. EU will be a good lapdog and lick USA’s balls asking for more.
I hate this timeline.
If I were Iran right now sitting on (mostly destroyed) stockpiles of enriched uranium which can’t easily be turned into weapons-grade, I would be organizing dirty bombs going off in every world capital I could get agents inside.
Make no mistake, US and EU will be paying for this decision for decades to come, and we will deserve everything we get. May some god have mercy on our souls, because our owner class will not.
Sorry but EU is neither a lapdog nor responsible for the disaster you voted for. We aren’t really asking for much these days, either. Business is good and new deals with China are boosting the economy.
Thankfully you’re not in charge of Iran.
yeah I’m sure he’ll add that one to the pile of “consequences that used to mean something” that he’s racked up. great job team. this will be the threat of a threat of a threat of a stern talking to that shows him.
Would love for something to happen, but we all know nothing will.
Kendrick Lamar “It’s not enough.” I want him removed and charged for all the harm and civil rights violations and war crimes. No President has ever been held accountable, So you can start with him.
Nixon was. They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia, but went with lying about adultery.
They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia
Why? Forgive my ignorance, balkan history is hard.
He violated both UN and NATO charters, iirc. Imo, intervention was necessary, because the Serbs were ethnically cleansing the Croats and Muslims, and Western Europe was dragging feet, but he violated the law and badly mishandled the intervention.
I don’t know for certain, but I think you might be mixing up Kosovo and Bosnia. Because I know he illegally (by international law) bombed Yugoslavia for the Kossovar Albanians (which some argue hastened and exacerbated the ethnic cleansing of the Albanians, which aligns quite well with the timeline, especially considering there was a concrete diplomatic alternatice proposed by both sides), but he got approval for this. Famously, Bernie Sanders voted in favor. So while it should earn him a trip to the Hague, he didn’t violate any domestic laws that I’m aware of.
But again, Yugoslavia in the 90s is crazy complicated, and there’s so much I don’t know, so maybe I’m just completely wrong here.
Cool. So since she’s a member of the house of representatives, she must have initiated proceedings for impeachment, right?
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Can you elaborate on why? Genuine question. It seems like if the alternative is also not getting what you want, then there isn’t much to lose?
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I don’t think that matters at all… Bernie has had a very long career and his constituents never rebuked him for failing to pass legislation
I don’t disagree that bombing Iran puts us at risk of starting a war we don’t want to be involved in. However I think the public is too split on the matter to put majority support behind impeachment.
Conservative circles themselves appear divided with some saying the display of force was necessary and avoided direct conflict (minimizing operational costs), some saying the President is authorized to conduct these actions under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, and some voicing dissent or disapproval altogether of this action.
The War Powers Resolution will probably be the loophole that conservative outlets use to claim that Trump has done nothing wrong. I don’t know if there’s been an exercise of this authority without congressional approval that has lead to the targeted country declaring war as a result. If this were to happen, maybe there will be clear grounds to impeach, but I don’t think the public will display a majority support for it to happen.
I agree that for practical purposes there is not the support for impeachment. But I do think that every unconstitutional thing he does should be called out with the simple but direct message that ‘impeachment and removal is the only remedy to a corrupt and unconstitutional POTUS’. We should say that over and over and over so that takes on its own meaning and the public is ready for it when sentiment inevitably brings us to the point it is actually possible.
What are they gonna do about it? Lawsuit? Lmao
If literally anyone thinks “it’s okay that Trump bombed Iran, it was the right move”…
Then couldnt you just argue that “if it was such an obviously right move, wouldn’t it have been easy to get congress to approve it?”
It’s illogical to on one hand say it was the right thing to do, while ignoring the fact he did it without approval.
If it was so right, then approval would’ve been easy to get…?
Trump fans would say he couldn’t ask because they’d unfairly block him. And he’s a decisive dynamic man who took initiative. Or something
The left can never pass up fighting a battle they’ll lose.
“He’s guilty of crimes. He should be prosecuted for those crimes.”
“You stupid idiot leftists. Don’t you realize opposing rich people never works? Just brown nose them so you can become one somebody. That’s the real ticket.”
You make progress by fighting the battles you can win. Fighting battles you can’t win is all about getting attention and accomplishing nothing.
There are twice as many NFL players on their standard rosters than there are billionaires in the U.S.
Mathematically the ~850 billionaires make up 0.00025% of the population.
The average person is about 22 times more likely to get struck by lightning than to become a billionaire.
There’s a lot of people trying that brown nosing tactic, yet don’t realize there isn’t room on the roster for infinite members, there is a fairly finite amount of funds, and for someone to move up, the money has to come from others. Roughly the net worth of 5,000 U.S. families given to one person. But in reality, the devaluing of wealth from near every individual in the U.S. so they can have it.
To skip congress, all they need is “something” they can use to say it is urgent. And they do have satellite activity showing a bunch of cargo trucks or what not. So they can hang thier hat on that and say it couldn’t wait. That would make it pretty hard to impeach on frankly. So this call is just political theater.
Now as for should we have done it… well I can at least see both sides. Iran has been defiant in it’s continued operation of it nuclear program. And all the “talks” haven’t really done much. The bombing likely does slow them down at least. Of course the other side to that questions what right does the US have to say other countries can research nuclear anything.
So there really everything about this is in the gray area where logical arguments could be made and debated endlessly about.
Trump pulled out of the negotiated nuclear deal.
Trump then said they’re so bad for not making a deal.
Trump then bombed them.
There’s no point here where Trump acted right.
I’m not saying he did. I am saying it can be argued endlessly in all directions. Which counters the “clearly” impeachable part. And really, he has done much less gray things he could be impeached on. This isn’t going to be the one that makes it happen.
Are you suggesting that seeing a bunch of cargo trucks on satellites means that it’s would have been able to go from no nukes to functional nukes in less time than it would take comes to vote on striking? Cargo trucks and mobilization in a foreign country is absolutely not a justifiable reason to attack. Especially considering the strikes that came before and the evacuation that Iran went through in anticipation of Trump’s terrorism. There’s naturally going to be an uptick in activity.
There’s absolutely no gray area in this one. There wasn’t an imminent threat and he bypassed the constitution by bypassing Congress to attack a foreign nation.
I like how they pretend if he is not the president it wouldn’t be the same. They lied about WMD in Iraq and went to war in behalf of israel. And the did regime change in Libya, bomb and missions in Somalia and Yemen and not a single word from almost all congress about war crimes in gaza.
Let’s be honest, AIPAC controls all level of governments.
The only issue now, white MAGA, who actually hate Jew, or Russian propagandist are calling him out.
As soon as AIPAC find dirt on them or manage to buy them, the progressive movement will find themselves alone again.
It wouldn’t. Trump can be bought off more easily. Trump literally released a propaganda AI hit piece on Gaza for Israel. Trump is literally illegally detaining protesters for protesting against Israel in universities. People who say Biden would have done the same show how clueless they are, specially now that the differences have shown how stark they are.
WMD in Iraq? Literally Republicans again.
Libya? Literally United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. Is the organization constantly getting vilified by Israel by their condemnations of it also part of the same grand scheme in your world view?
Somalia? Another Republican president.
Your shotgun argumentation is bad and you should feel bad. AIPAC has a lot of power in the US, but it is not equally present in both parties and it does not manifest in the same way either. The US has bigger problems than AIPAC, but its fascist takeover has probably gone over your head as well.
Yeah you figured out the big secret. The Jews are the secret puppet masters of the world!
That or you’ve become antisemitic. Yeah, that’s probably it.
It is you who think when someone says AIPAC means Jew. Most Jew has nothing to do with AIPAC. Read more about Zionism and their history before and after WWII and read more about different mostly Jew who are on odd with the AIPAC and it’s Zionist views…
AIPAC is a group of American Jews that support Israel. So when you’re rambling on about AIPAC conspiracy theories you’re claiming both American Jews and Israeli Jews are evil puppet masters.
Antisemitism has in the past made subsets of Jews acceptable to hate. Look up the term Cosmopolitan Jew. Zionist Jew follows that pattern.
You’re being told by many people on the internet that it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy to accuse people of being antisemitic for criticizing Israel. I’m not Jewish, I’ve never been to Israel, I’m not being paid by anyone. I’m not a part of some conspiracy against you. Just someone who has learned how antisemitism worked in the past since I felt like I owed it to my grandfather who was damaged while fighting against some antisemitic assholes.
You’re following a pattern that has happened before.
It’s wrong to hate Jews because they are Jewish. That’s antisemitism. But it’s the right thing to do to unequivocally condemn the Israeli government and their enablers because of their right wing genocidal policies towards their neighbours. The pattern you are following is that of claiming Israel cannot be criticised without it being antisemitic, which is the same bullshit Netanyahu is trying to pull.
If you’re criticizing actions of the Israeli government that’s not antisemitism.
If you’re promoting conspiracy theories about globalist Jews being the secret puppet masters of the government, that is antisemitism.
Better not to engage with these account. I think their Zionist nature, as many of them, like to change the facts, create new one, then accuse people of being antisemitic.
Stop equating protocols of the elders of zion larpers with jews. That is literally some of the most antisemitic shit ever written.
clearly grounds for impeachment
…add it to the pile, I guess.
But considering that impeachment is a legal process and that the current administration has zero respect for or inclination to follow the law, it’s not like it’ll accomplish shit. Dude needs to be deposed by those who have sworn to defend the constitution from domestic threats (the military) not run through some formal process.
Impeachment is specifically NOT a legal process but a political one. Trump’s second impeachment acquittal was based on impeachment being a political process, and that the criminal justice system was the correct venue for J6.
That’s also why the Justice department policy on not charging a sitting president and the SCOTUS ruling that Presidents are immune from prosecution are bullshit.
I mean, in practice, I guess yeah. On paper, it’s initiated by a political process, but ultimately it’s a criminal investigation. The acquittal was due to the process being wrongfully politicized. In a system that actually followed its own rules, he’d have been indicted and imprisoned for the crimes he’s committed against the US.
The system we have will, at best, put on a dog-and-pony show, call it “impeachment”, and try to pass that off as actual justice like it did last time.
