Can we get it for 100 bucks max?
They are aware that people can’t afford to waste money on luxuries, no?
They don’t have Auto in Screen Refresh Rare but shouldn’t it be there if they LTPO display?
Can anyone recommend this? Is the camera any good?
Haven’t had an FP6 in my hands yet, but I’ve been using FP since the Fairphone 2, am currently using the FP4 and besides the ethics in sourcing their materials and manufacturing (which they genuinely attempt to provide, and while there is no ethical consumption in capitalism, there are still degrees of fucked-upness.), I do enjoy the repairability, longevity and long-term support. They are also decently supported by de-googled-android and even pure Linux phone operating systems, if you want to experiment there, and come without a lot of bloat that nowadays is ubiquitous with most smartphones.
Do you have a bit of info on these Linux mobile OSs? The FP5 didn’t convince me as a main phone when I needed a new one last year, but if it can take a real Linux distro it could be a cool toy.
Sure - check out this list from the community forums:
https://forum.fairphone.com/t/operating-systems-for-fairphones/11425#heading--fp5
Thank you!
Good question. I was just reading the article about it on The Verge, which mentions:
On the back, you’ll find a 50MP main camera and a 13MP ultrawide camera, while the front has a 32MP hole-punch camera for selfies and video calls. That’s a significant step down from the Fairphone 5, which used 50MP sensors on all three of its cameras.
No mention of camera quality, though, as it’s basically a press release post and not a hands-on or review. I wish this would be available in the US for a fair price.
4000x3000 (12MP) is completely fine for a secondary camera imo. 32MP for the front cam is more than enough too. Upwards of 12MP, the denoising and optics are much more important than the resolution.
32 MP is absurdly much, resized down to 10 MP you are not going to see a difference.
Basically nobody has this in hand yet.
I was thinking: Online-people have been asking for thicker iPhones and MacBooks in favour of battery for a while now. So I suppose this is that + repairability. I think we as a community could highlight that a bit tbh
3.5mm Jack or - sadly - GTFO
They have adapters. But yeah, would be nice to have a slot directly integrated.
There’s a deGoogled version too!!
I would prefer GrapheneOS (If I can live with the irony of getting a Pixel phone just to deGoogle it…). Sandboxing there is way better. But you lose the Repairability… Gotta check and compare the new EU metrics too.
They are just two different devices.
I not only want a degoogled version but also a secure one. Sadly developing a secure android is rather hard. The Graphene team does it pretty well. Others try it too, but sadly they are not close.
Degoogled version is €50 more, for whatever reason
People don’t want to pay for privacy. That’s the real problem with end users. Imagine if more people did so. What a world we could have. Nah. Let’s be cheap AF!
Locking privacy behind a paywall? Sounds like a nightmare.
That’s the real problem with end users.
The real problem with end users is that they buy according to whatever needs corpos inject via advertising.
the reason: support for developers. You can install it yourself to save that amount.
Because the built in software is usually there because the manufacturer is receiving money from the software company. That’s why consumer devices are always bloated with garbage.
I bet PostmarketOS will release for it
Why do you think so? We still don’t have proper support for the Fairphone 4 on pmOS, why’d the 6 be any better?
GraphineOS is more secure
We know GrapheneOS only makes their OS on Pixel phones or whatever their own device will be so it’s moot
Thats because pixels fit the rigid standards, if Fairphone met them they would make a version for them
That would be great but that’s just not the way it is unfortunately
Is it really de-googled if it still runs Android?
the degoogled roms like eos calyx lineage graphene are not just aosp zero work roms with no gapps inclueded. the devs do work on changing as much google related code as they can even within aosp. nothing is perfect obviously, but im pretty sure there are compatible mobile linux distros even.
I’d love one and have checked back each year after their first model, but they still don’t sell to Australia - and I’m not going to buy something I can’t get direct parts and services for, and would need to go through third parties for.
If their model is a successful business I honestly thought they would have expanded beyond shipping/supporting only Europe by now, its been a decade since their first model. Maybe they’re still not a very big player / modest success?
There’s at least two limitations that they’ve mentioned before with shipping outside of Europe.
First is they need extra certifications (e.g. FCC ones for selling to the USA), which are expensive and basically redundant. Probably not worth the business cost to do it and maintain it.
Second is they do carbon neutral shipping, which is hard to do when you have to cross an ocean. I know in Canada our national postal service can do carbon neutral for packages, but figuring that out for every country and the international legs of the shipping is a lot of work.
Part of the cost of being ethical is being at a disadvantage with capitalism, so while they’re doing pretty alright they aren’t going to grow like big tech did.
No headphone jack means I won’t even consider it, very sad to see it’s still the case.
Did some digging, but it doesn’t appear the band compatibility with US carriers is improved at all. Am I wrong here?
From their own site it would seem they don’t. There is a “US” version but you can’t buy a Fairphone from the website directly.
Rofl if they dump them on ebay as new from a third party US shipper.
https://m.gsmarena.com/fairphone_6-13955.php
There is some band overlap, but I am no expert.
Would that be a problem when travelling to the… oh, right, we’re not doing that anymore… would this be a problem for Europeans travelling to Canada?
why you gotta be so rude about it? like we’re forced to live here, your bragging doesn’t help anyone
OTG compatible is a rare feature, I have an endoscope camera that uses OTG, but not a compatible phone.
Also, no mention of a headphone jack.
One plus did the same thing. Now they’re no different then all the expensive brands out there.
This looks pretty good. The main issue with Fairphone for me is the price. FP 5 is still about 2x as expensive as Pixel 8. I got my Pixel 8a on promotion for ~250 euros. FP 5 still costs over 500. I never paid more than 300 euros for a phone and I’m not planning to.
Fair wages and sustainable practices cost more than sweatshop labor
Pixel is build by Foxxcon. Foxxcon has 3.5 stars on Glassdoor. From what I found Fairphone is build by TCL which has 3.2 stars on Glassdoor.
It’s all still made in Asia. It’s really hard to monitor conditions there and it’s pretty much impossible to monitor conditions at every step of the supply chain. I understand paying extra for a more sustainable phone (repairable, longer support) but paying double for a vague promise of being more “fair”? Thanks by no thanks. Pixel has 8 years of support now so the difference in sustainability is minimal.
The final assembly is only part of the story though. As far as I understand, fairphone does actually try to check their supply chain to ensure the raw materials are (more) ethically sourced. As opposed to those optimizing for profit, who will intentionally look the other way.
a vague promise
“Instead of a one-size-fits-all approach, we collaborate with suppliers to develop improvement plans that are informed by detailed assessments and worker surveys.” p. 28
From their recently published annual(I think?) impact report. There’s a bit more detail under section 4.3, not crazy specific but definitely better than a vague promise imo.
The single best thing for sustainability is long lifetime of the phone. Now that EU mandates it and Apple, Pixel and Samsung all offer 7 years of updates Fairphone’s advantage here is slim. The rest are just vague promises. Apple also promises to support people and communities involved in its supply chain: https://www.apple.com/supply-chain/ All the companies try to avoid sweatshops because it’s terrible for PR but unless you are actually going to assemble the phone in EU you don’t really know who made it. For me the difference between two phones made in China is not big enough to pay double.
Sure, I just showed you the report, you may draw your own conclusions upon reading it. But in my opinion they’ve long proven to be transparent and actionable when it comes to improving the industry, e.g. by co-founding the Fair Cobalt Alliance. And maybe they even had something to do with those changes in legislation, the EU itself seems to recognise as much…
Probably. I’m not saying that Frairphone is bad and that what they are doing doesn’t have any value. What I’m saying is that their phones were always too expensive for me and now that there are other phones with 7-8 year lifespan on the market it’s even harder to justify the expense. I’m glad that enough people had the money to support Fairphone and I’m grateful for their contribution in changing the legislation. Maybe in 5-6 years, when I have to change my phone, I will get a Fairphone.
foxxcon? you mean the same company that had a mass suicide from workers jumping off the buildings?
edit: sorry wasn’t a mass suicide just dozens and dozens of people killing themselves because of the working conditions at foxxcon.
it’s hard to find details about the mass protest with the threat of suicide because there’s so many other single suicides at foxxcon.
If you’re using a pixel or apple phone I wonder if you’re using a phone that one of those workers put together 🤔
Yes, that foxxcon. The one that has better reviews on Glassdoor then the company that assembles Fairphone. What’s your point?
Idk man. you think the folks who killed themselves can put a review on a corporate shill website that’s been known to remove reviews for the right price?
Why TCL didn’t pay them to also remove bad reviews?
FP would be a good choice for Graphene.
dang, I just bought FP5.
I just want them to make a true flagship phone. I personally wouldn’t mind paying extra for a more ethical phone, if it had all the bells and whistles and wasn’t half obsolete straight out of the box.
I would totally buy one of these if they were sold in the US. Sadly, last time I checked the newest phone wasn’t sold here. So I doubt this one will be.
