Some related links, which I should have included in the first place!!
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Some related links, which I should have included in the first place!!
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
We’ve had less of the mocking “bOth SIdeS aRE thE SamE!” recently. I think more people are starting to see what we meant.
Nah, those idiots who argue for the lesser evil in a bid to push the troubles to a point they arent affected by them while millions suffer are still out in force.
Better than those idiots that thought voting for Trump, voting 3rd party, or not voting at all was somehow the better option and that less people would suffer than under Harris, or the lesser evil.
At least those who voted 3rd party or didn’t vote at all due to shitty candidates recognize there’s a problem and that it needs taken care of before it’s too late.
Y’all would have us march along with “the lesser evil” to the point of no return.
Voting third party in the general election is nothing more than a performative action that directly benefits the worst candidate. Those of us that held our noses and voted for Kamala did so with the recognition that there is a problem, but we were also smart enough to know that the general is not where major changes happen.
I’d have everyone vote for their ideal candidate in the primaries, and then vote for the best viable candidate I’m the general.
Acting like you did something good by voting third party is akin to puffing up your chest and acting like tough shit, when all your doing is standing funny and looking like an idiot with a big chest.
lol
You think things would be exactly the same if Harris were president? That is a special kind of delusion you’ve built for yourself.
The point is…both sides are right wing, not to the same extent, but you’re arguing about shit versus shit like there’s some huge difference. It’s pathetic.
Because there is. Harris wouldn’t be illegally deporting people with secret police to death camps, openly accepting bribes like a 747 from Qatar, trying to make the Ukraine surrender, shitting all over the epa, giving the reigns to Musk to gut the government, creating a meme coin and phone company to really show how little they respect the emoluments clause there are countless examples of “huge differences” that wouldn’t fly under Democrats. Democrats suck, are extremely problematic, and need major reform/replacement but pretending they’re as bad as Republicans is so wildly disingenuous I can’t take people that say that shit seriously
Harris wouldn’t do these things, but she would set the stage for fascists to do these things and more in 2029. Kicking the can down the road simply empowers fascists such that when (not if) they come to power they do more damage than if the bandaid had been ripped off in the first place. I mean, Biden won in 2020 and all America got was better-prepared fascists with a blueprint for how they’ll take over the United States, and as halfhearted as his attempts were at least Biden tried; Harris was only shaping up to be worse. If the only thing y’all can do is kick the can down the road, you might as well rip off the bandaid.
You’ve missed the role of the Supreme Court in this. The Justices appointed by the Ds have been against the worst of it at pretty much every opportunity and they have lifetime appointments.
That was the real cost of Trump 1.0.
Yes, but Trump simply responded by de facto weakening the courts and ignoring their authority, and since he has the supreme court anyway they keep allowing him to do whatever he wants. I get what you’re trying to say, but since there was zero chance America would get enough Democrats in a row for the Supreme Court to turn blue, D-appointed judges aren’t going to make a difference in the big picture. On the other hand four years of Harris would’ve legitimized MAGA’s ideas even further as the Democrats adopted more fascist and proto-fascist policies (hello border wall) while doing less and less to distinguish themselves from fascism, undermining the left and running the country to the ground. There was only ever ruin in the direction the DNC was headed, so what this argument really boils down to is whether you wanted four more years of proto-fascism before the real deal, and while we can argue about which one would’ve the better choice voting in Harris was still going to do exactly zilch to prevent fascism. You can’t keep voting in Von Hindenburgs and think you’ll avoid Hitler.
Both sides are still not the same, IMO.
Dems suck, but not remotely to the same depth as Republicans.
I’d hold my nose and vote for Harris again if the election were tomorrow, and for the same reason as last time. (Gestures around)
Dems run the spectrum from conservative through milquetoast to leftist. The milquetoasts seem to win most of the time.
R is 100% bigot fascist authoritarians or people for whom those things are not a dealbreaker.
Yeah absolutely, I think it’s also important to remember dems aren’t a monolith and many have their own takes and opinions despite often being influenced by the same harmful forces.
For example, Jerry Nadler had a pretty strong endorsement of Mamdani despite being what I would perceive as a pretty standard democrat. I am hopeful that more democrats can be forced to support him and we can avoid this dem civil war narrative but we’ll have to see.
They keep us arguing over ¾ of shit that happens so that they can get the ¼ through they really car about 100% of the time.