It’s equally as bad when you discover you like something that has been around for a while and has lots of fans and you don’t get accepted or realise you don’t want to be part of the fans because of how shitty, toxic, dumb etc. they are. A relevant example for this is Assassin’s creed for me. I never like any of the games until AC: Origins, even though I gave most of them a fair shake. AC: Origins is a 10/10 for me, I put in over 600h hours into that game, 100%'ed it and all its expansions/dlc. AC: Odyssey is good too, but I never got as into it, so a 8/10. Valhalla never looked good in any way so never even tried it. Started playing Shadows about a week ago and really enjoying it so far, not as good as Origins but mostly better than Odyssey. But damn do people not like when I mention this, like I’m not allowed to like it because I didn’t like the earlier games. I have no issue with people liking them and not the ones I do, never said anything else. Music is a lot like this too. “Oh, you like their newer stuff? Fucking idiot, only the early stuff is good, I now see down on you as a person and hate every opinion you have”.
There’s way too much gatekeeping in gaming. People don’t seem to understand that everyone has different tastes, and it’s all subjective. There is no objectively good game. For me it’s Half Life 2, I don’t like shooters, tried it but couldn’t get into it. But to many it’s one of the greatest games ever.
There are objectively good games. There are not objectively fun games.
Half-Life 2 is objectively good, and if you say it’s a bad game you’re simply wrong. However if you say it’s a game you do not enjoy and isn’t fun for you, that’s not wrong.
A game can be both good and not enjoyable to you.
Conversely, a game can also be objectively bad and yet fun for some people.
If you mean good = game works as intended and bad = buggy mess, then it can be objective sure. But gameplay, design, story, structure are all subjective. In those ways HL2 is a bad game to me, that doesn’t mean it is for everyone, and no one should be offended by that.
Pogs are cool little disks
Then it became a children’s verb
While not to the same degree as a lot of folks, Fallout got into it some time around New Vegas because it was featured on game fly. Anyways delved headfirst into it and fell in love with the classic games. The post Fallout 4 boom gives me a headache sometimes I just want to talk with old bastards and my fellow autists about Fallout without some profligate butting in cause they watch the TV show.
Russerfrushenrushen kids and their first person fallout games. All my homes know best fallout is third person isometric turn based.
Technically that includes Brotherhood of Steel, careful there that game is still actively worse than anything Bethesda has made.
Eh, I remember enjoying it, though never played it again so 🤷 possibly nostalgia. It was just not an open world or rpg.
Oh wait, I was thinking of fallout tactics. BOS was like wasteland skinned diablo right? That is, not turn based so not in my original grumpy old man comment.
I was lucky enough to have played fallout 3 before new Vegas. So the series for me went from “that was fun, interesting setting” to “Wow this is genuinely amazing and feels like a living world that I’m inhabiting and interacting with.”
And then fallout 4 came out, and I was hoping that Bethesda would have learned something from New Vegas. But that was foolish, modern Bethesda doesn’t write stories, they don’t understand characters, they are a software company manufacturing a product, not a studio crafting playable stories. What narrative and story do exist, are the minimal needed to serve the gameplay loops. They make toy boxes, not experiences. Some people like that, but that’s not what I play these kinds of games for.
Going back and playing fallout 1 and 2 solidified this for me further, if Bethesda was going to learn from what made new Vegas great, they would have done so from 1 and 2 and implemented it in 3.
I haven’t even bothered to try fallout 76. I know what it is, it’s a looter shooter live service game meant to Skinner box you in to spending as much time as possible grinding up numbers and finding the best stats on rare drops. It’s not what I’m in to. I’ve accepted that.
As much as I love the fallout setting and the potential for story and world, there will never be another fallout game, just Bethesda products wearing the aesthetic. There are plenty of other great games out there that have story and gameplay working synergistically to create an experience.
Well if you want to scratch that CRPG story itch may I suggest Arcanum, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, Tainted Grail, Wasteland 2 and 3, and basically all of Owlcat games except maybe Pathfinder kingmaker.
played a lot of those.
I remember VtMB particularly fondly.
Now if only VtMB2 would get out of its development hell so we could know if it’s shit or not.
Rick and Morty
I remember being hyped about it since I was a huge fan of Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland, even told some friends to keep an eye on it. I recall watching the premiere of the first episode and even telling more friends about it.
Then the entire thing became super popular before Season 1 was over and then… well you know what happened. I continued watching after Roiland was gone and the show popularity declined, but I am absolutely staying as far away as possible from that fandom
I saw a clear separation between me and the idiot part of the demographic who enjoys the show at the Pickle Rick episode.
It wasn’t funny. It wasn’t even a good story or episode. It was just the writers deciding to come up with the most blatantly random thing for the sole sake of randomness.
The whole show is about how Rick is a selfish prick. That episode was also about Rick being a selfish prick and trying to weasel out family therapy by turning himself into a pickle.
That’s it. That was the entire reason for Pickle Rick. But the idiots who idolize Rick for some reason cranked it up to full retard.
I hate that I’m writing this because I’m gonna sound like the *"to be fair * copy pasta but, the fact that it’s so lame and stupid is kind of the whole point of the bit.
He gives his big “I’m pickle Riiiiick!” presentation like it’s supposed to be some big huge awesome thing, and it’s presented like a punchline that you’re supposed to laugh at and find funny… Then it’s a hard cut to Morty’s disappointed, slightly concerned face for a solid 10 seconds. Morty is you, the viewer, painfully unimpressed by what is presented as, well, “the funniest shit ever”.
Remember in an earlier episode when Rick makes a reference to the non-existent Redgren Grumblholdt, and the kids laugh because they think it’s supposed to be funny and just want to fit in? Those are the people that the “funniest shit ever” meme is about. People that are fed an intentionally bad joke, don’t understand the irony behind the bad joke, but sees that everyone else is laughing at the bad joke, so they pretend the joke is funny. Two people laughing at the same thing for entirely different reasons.
The whole Pickle Rick plotline is just background events anyways. The meat and potatoes of the episode is with Dr Wong.
Nail on the head
When this pickle rick stuff went down, I felt like I was taking crazy pills.
I liked the bit at the end where the therapist calls him out.
See, that’s the thing. Pickle Rick was funny because he went through all that bullshit just to avoid going to therapy. The show was making an excellent point about how stigmatized therapy is, and how bettering yourself is hard work, work many people just don’t want to do. (Basically, “men would rather turn themselves into pickles than go to therapy.”)
Of course, any actual nuance is lost on the “high IQ” R&M fans. I’ve always seen Rick as similar to Eric Cartman or the Joker: if you idolize him, you missed the point.
It was so dumb that it was funny to me
I share this view. It was so nonsensical that it was actually funny and memorable.
Rick and Morty was the show for me in the beginning even when the dumbasses showed up, but it lost its appeal after the scandal. Just doesn’t feel the same.
honestly it was getting a bit stale before, with its creator still onboard. its just that the scandal probably shooed people away all at once.
the scandal???
Probably this one where a bunch of fans attacked a McDonald’s to get Szechuan sauce. Rick and Morty got some mainstream attention. People would say something like “You like R&M? You must be toxic.”
Yeahh the Szechuan thing kinda tainted the whole show for me. It was a dumb bit that went too far and the cringe fallout still lingers…
I feel like they’re more likely talking about Jeff Roiland’s (edit: creator, one of the main writers, and voice actor for most male characters (including both Rick and Morty)) abuse allegations, after which they canned him as writer/ voice actor and the show kind of lost it’s flair.
Tbh, the current and last season are great.
The voice actors are great. If I didn’t know about the change, is never have noticed
I just learned about it now. I didn’t notice.
they really did do a great job replacing the voice actor
Personally, I think the new VAs are pretty good on their own. Morty even sounds a little better.
they canned him as writer/ voice actor and the show kind of lost it’s flair.
You’re joking, right?
Roiland is a great voice actor, but the rambling “comedy” bits got old and repetitive real fast. I don’t miss them. That, and the new VOs hit it out of the park.
Nah. Morty’s alright. Rick lost his edge
kind of. but it’s mostly character development. His edge mostly was “I’m drunk and an asshole who pretends to not care”
He starts to actually care about his family. The ultra depressed suicidal rick got a bit tiring after a while
I assume they mean Justin Roiland being found out as a sexual predator of underage girls …
Man, I like some pretty retarded shit man, but I’ve never been bullied for it, man
I like some pretty retarded shit man
Like casual ableism?
If you’re trying to bully me man, I already said it doesn’t work
I’m calling you out for being ableist. That’s not bullying, it’s a statement of fact.
Man, I don’t know what your angle is, I already agreed my interests are pretty retarded, so however you think you’re gonna bully me it won’t work man
Given a choice to stop being ableist or make yourself the victim you chose the latter. That says a lot about your priorities.
In all seriousness, you’re the one I assume to be equating people with varying ability to “retards,” where I was just using the nomenclature that OP was using to describe the state of their interests once careless normies decide to adopt them. If you want to try to bully me, in addition to yourself repeatedly suggesting that people with different abilities are the real “retards” here, then you can get blocked from my YouTube channel.
yeah sorry Anon, go fuck yourself and your nazi skull flag. That shit’s the Totenkopf, what, did the new generation of chuds ruin Nazi for you? Poor fuckin’ baby.
Thanks for the important context. I’d assumed it was a pirate flag until I read your comment and then looked it up. Fuck this particular anon.
gotta call out the nazis at every turn otherwise the place will turn into a nazi bar.
that’s 4chan for you. id be less disturbed by the amount of nazis on 4chan and more by the amount of lemmings that agree with Anon on any given subject
Maybe a “Death in June” band shirt. Which makes things … well… I dunno. Probably not better.
was not familiar with them…
from their wiki - had performed at rallies for The Right to Work, Rock Against Racism, and the Anti-Nazi League. -
holy shit this is a ride
“The Totenkopf-6 is a slightly grinning skull, framed by a circle and a small 6 in the lower right corner. Death in June has, since at least the State Laughter / Holy Water 7″, used variations of the Prussian Totenkopf or “Death’s Head” symbol. Indeed, there is another explanation that has been given by Pearce, he has also stated that it symbolises “total commitment” to the group, akin to the total commitment of soldiers of the SS”
ah… getting to the shit that matters -
“The Southern Poverty Law Center considers Death in June to be white power music harboring neo-Nazi sympathies.”
yeeeaah this all fits
I was a goth in my youth and they were among the more controversial bands. They could be just edge lords or Nazis. The guys that listened to them turned out to be Nazis, so there’s that.
They could be just edge lords or Nazis.
I refuse to make a distinction anymore. If you “joke” about being a Nazi, you’re a Nazi.
I used to think the nazi edgelord stuff was kind of funny, because I found it absurd.
The idea that anyone acting like a nazi was ‘actually’ a nazi never crossed my mind, because I genuinely thought we as a species had collectively agreed that being a nazi is the closest thing to pure evil.
Oh how wrong I was.
it’s certainly an interesting nuance. ty for the tip
I was in the scene at the same time and me and my friends were always making fun of neofolk bands and their fans, because its such boring music and simply copying clothing styles of the 1940s, fitting to the boring mind of a nazi
Now, now it is only a Totenkopf if it is from a distinct region of Germany.
ah yes the death’s head valley
Yeah been saying ‘Casuals Ruin Everything’ for a while now
Here’s a controversial one: Target shooting.
It used to be a skill you honed, going to the range to become better every time. Participate in competitions, meet people. It was a great hobby.
And then the idiots who unironically wear Punisher logos ruined it.
For a moment I thought you meant shooting up a Target store.
That isn’t what it means? … Shit, I should clean this mess up.
I feel sorry for you - I live in one of those socialist hellhole countries where owning a gun requires annual testing that you can actually hit a target (50/100 on a B8 target for beginners, not exactly tough) and pass a psych test. Going to the range is lovely here, and competitions are usually paired with a nice meal afterwards for people to socialise.
I watch US videos, and most of them just seem insane. One notable exception is the JaredAF channel, that guy can really properly target shoot.
Switzerlahd? When I lived in Denmark the laws were about that tough, though still surprisingly simple after I gained citizenship.
Welcome to “gun people who hate gun people”
How will that end ?
Same, man. I like it, from the meditation-like state when you take it serious to the gun goes bang part when you are just messing around. But some of the people, man… Where do I start.
I think I should go again regardless, if everyone with wane opinions leaves, that would be surrendering.
I used to enjoy going to the range. Apparently the one I frequented in my youth was all army guard/reserves and prior service, because when I moved and sought out a new place it was a fucking clown show. Simple shit like ‘keep your weapon pointed up and downrange’ is too fucking hard for these gravy seal shitbags.
Plot twist, all those fanbases were already kinda garbage before they got flooded with normies and most of the toxicity didn’t come from the casuals.
There’s literally an episode of Doug where Doug’s standard outfit inexplicably becomes super popular. So watch 90s Nick to learn what to do.
I remember that one. I think he tried to change clothes and just ended up accepting the new trend just in time for it to end. He was then happy to be bland again. I think skeeters clothes were the next trend…idk I’m old some of that may be made up.
Dooo doo-dooo doo-doo-doo doooo doo-doooo doo-doo
Computers
Desktop computing in particular.
Yay you get my vote.
The internet
immediately where my mind went.
From “haha, raspberriesareyummy will marrynhis computer one day” to most everyone around me constantly staring at their whatsapp, tiktok or “talking” with siri/alexa.
Fuck this shit :(
Oh god I heard that constantly as a kid. Gah. Now they’re all married to Facebook and don’t know how to use it. Oh well.
I’m so sorry that they called you that
But raspberries are yummy
I’ve been online since 1995. I weep for what we lost. The web should have stayed a nerd domain. We’d have been better off as a society.
Absolutely. The biggest individual loss for me was the usenet. That was the first time google showed its true, evil and ugly face - by introducing tons of people who had no idea what the usenet was via google groups.
The second blow was when people no longer required any technical knowledge whatsoever to “go online”, because ISPs sold internet access complete with a router that took care of the connection.
The third blow was when every idiot and their mom who have no idea how to operate a computer or a keyboard got access to the internet via mobile devices with touchscreens and an app for everything.
Eventually, the absolute enshittification of centralized social media (ongoing).
And now - AI slop.
Exactly. Back in 1995, my dad could never get online. Heck, he couldn’t even remotely figure out a PC. We tried to teach him some basics like ‘click with the left mouse button to open something’, but he was downright scared of the thing. He never, ever touched it.
But ‘thanks’ to the iPad, he’s e-mailing, on Facebook, on YouTube, TikTok etc. Which also has the unfortunate effect of subjecting him to boomer brainrot. He’s now more actively misinformed than he used to be because of that fucking iPad.
We’ve made the web accessible to people who shouldn’t be on it. Because it’s hurting them and hurting society as a whole.
Roblox. I played it as a kid around 2007 when it was just a small Lego-like building game with your friends. It’s been really weird seeing it become some predatory, monetized app game that kids play on their iPad now.
For reference, I’m almost 30 and haven’t played it since I was like 14. My friend’s kid was playing Roblox on his tablet and asked if I “heard of this new app game called Roblox” and it hurt my soul.
Still have friends I met there back in 2014 that are my closest and still talk to, pre-enshittification was peak Roblox era and are my most cherished memories
Unfortunate that it’s more popular than ever before.
the devs have pursued every bad idea and settled on ‘child labor and exposing kids to fucked up shit seems profitable’ so yeeeeeahh… the game industry looks at them and hangs their head in shame
To be clear, the “game industry” has no shame so this is inaccurate. In fact, there are a few companies trying to recreate their success.
I can only speak of the dev scene where I live, but I know many many devs who have had the opportunity to work for Roblox and did not because of their rep. I know exactly one who did go to work for them, and that person was… kinda a dick.
I do not see any local companies trying to emulate the child labor shit, but any time something is successful assholes will try to copy it. hopefully they lose their shirts in the process.
Those people that made Mind’s Eye were the big example I’m thinking of.
BeamNG is a little like it too.
not familiar with either product, but thanks for the tip. ugh.
I remember when my nephew first asked if I knew about Roblox. I was so excited to build some stuff with him, until he showed me this crappy superhero fighting simulator. I can’t complain too much, since it’s basically the new-age version of crappy flash games, but it was still a disappointment.
I mean, was Roblox more about building in the past? To me, or at least when I played it back as a 10 yr old or so, Roblox was always about playing the diverse amount of games. If you wanted to build stuff, that was for Minecraft. I was always playing party games, anime clones, survival games, etc.
I found it back in the mid-2000’s while I was looking for a video game where I could build stuff, similar to legos, so when I played it all I did was make castles and robots and whatever. Maybe you could make minigames for people like they do now, but it didn’t seem like it was the main focus, at least from what I had seen back then.
Someone has to create those games.
And that happened in-game.
It’s stupid but I started playing Roblox in 2008 and I still check in on it from time to time, there are a couple of half decent games out there if you know where to look because it’s pretty much just a game engine.
Between the s*** or the facilitate the worst of mobile gaming practices and playhouse to an innumerable number of pedophile rings is super f***** up. They basically trick children into developing video games and pay them scraps of what they’re worth. Limited edition Hats play host to what is basically a gambling or stock market system. I think one of the worst Parts is that pretty much any transaction the company takes an enormous cut of.
I have an item that’s worth 350,000 “Robux” that I bought for pennies like 10 years ago. I don’t have any way of cashing that out for real money but that’s still hundreds of real life dollars and also roblox would take a 30% cut if I sold it anyway.
Part of me wishes that I had actually learned to build properly in that game, for some reason i always struggled to wrap my head around scripting and actually building anything that looks decent for myself. I suppose from a certain perspective it’s not too late but what would be the f****** point roblox is trashed now.
Oh yeah the chat filter is a nightmare, roblox uses a chat service called Community sift if I remember correctly and it’s pretty much just makes it so that it’s impossible to communicate because they can’t be ours to moderate their stupid platform anymore anyway.
Also they are weirdly sexist, they enabled the publishing of user generated content and they allow some honestly pretty crazy alarming muscle bound and homoerotic masculine body shapes but any even remotely feminine shape no matter how tame and innocent is required to have these big ugly weird looking color blocks on them that look like underwear and honestly are way worse than having nothing there at all in terms of how it looks.
Anon thinks it’s 1939
Roguelikes. I’m not saying some of the modern roguelites aren’t fantastic, there are many that are. But the genre boom has all but pushed traditional roguelikes (NetHack, ADoM, Angband, Brogue, etc) out of the conversation.
I love how hard they gatekeep /r/roguelikes to keep it true to the genre. One of my favorite things is going there to watch all the modern clueless “roguelike” lovers get downvoted to oblivion.
Brogue is fucking sick, man.
Brogue
damn that brings back dnd.exe sessions
What’s wild is that the nethack source is so easy to read and understand, that it is trivial to add new content. I’d like to see some of the mechanics from the newer gen roguelikes like Shattered Pixel Dungeon make it back into trad nethack
My best experience so far was with Dungeon Crawl. I love their “no farming” philosophy.
