Huh, this sort of issue is what made me leave KDE in the first place. Haven’t had such problems on gnome.
“Modern” UI design be like: fat paddings everywhere
MOAR WHITESPACE
Don’t forget:
- Massive fucking fonts
- No visual separation between UI elements
- Hijacked scrolling
- Everything shoved into animated menus
- One (1) context action in the bottom right
Also, no right-click menus! You have to click on a three-dot icon at the side of that UI component
Do you have an example?
“Awesome UI”
Proper GTK4 adwaita apps don’t do that. They scale really well on mobiles to desktops.
Even Gtk3 doesn’t have that issue when properly coded.
Counterargument:
Do you want the text to span unlimited pixels?
No, I want it to utilize the space a little bit more, this wouldn’t look good even on a 16:9 display. Which is a shave because when windowed it looks really good.
Hm yeah. Most configurable GNOME application.
That would be ideal, IMO.
Sounds like a skills issue/design decision. Like the devs could do otherwise, they just didn’t. There’s nothing in GTK preventing this from working properly.
What is your monitor’s size?
2560x1080 which is 21:9 full hd. Most programs don’t really handle 21:9 displays, but many GTK apps are particularly bad at it
(after edit)
I have no issue with the text size, I have an issue with enormous empty space around the text. It’s fine if it’s not perfect on a 21:9 display, but this wouldn’t look good even on a 16:9 display.
I’m also fine with the text not taking up the entire width, I aggre that it’s less readable. But I think the window (not the text, the window) could utilise the width better.
I say that the messages could be a little more spread out (i.e. my massages could be a little to the right while other’s a little to the left) and just like the left sidepanel appears and disappears when the window is too thin, more sidebars could appear to the right when the window is very wide.
These are all design choices though, not technical limitations of the gdk. I’m no expert in it though. Is it possible it’s missing the tools that make building those other design features easy?
AFAIK one of these are technical limitations, it’s just design choices. But in my experience, the design choices made following the gnome design guidelines tend to make apps with tiny faces
That looks like it’s just wrapping a WebView, is it not?
It looks like the CSS is just capping the container class width at 1440px, which has nothing to do with GTK
It’s Fractal, a matrix client, not a webview: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/fractal
Fair - point still stands though - the application only has a single breakpoint defined at 600sp from a cursory glance, the lack of an ultra-wide specific layout is just because it hasn’t been implemented rather than a shortfall of GTK (though I’m not sure you would even want to make the message view wider, as it would impair readability)
And that’s an issue. People also use non-GTK4 apps.
That’s UI design, a dark art mere mortals like you and me won’t ever understand.
Friends don’t let friends use GNOME
KDE4LYFE
Gnome does have a lot of strong points, I personally use both
the edits to charlie kirk’s face are so subtle these days, I can’t tell if this is the original or has been slightly modified.
It had been so long since I’d seen his real face that I didn’t know how it actually looked like anymore. I saw a clip of him a few days ago and thought ‘oh, they aren’t changing it that much’
there was this real or fake quiz online that shows Kirk’s face and you try to tell whether it’s edited. it was really funny because it was actually hard to tell.
I’m having this problem on Android rn. Coming from iOS, the content density is just super low, and no amount of tweaking display/font size will fix it 🙁
My screen is 50% padding now 🤷🏻♀️
I enjoy using Gnome and don’t really encounter any issues in my day to day use
(pls don’t kill me :))
True
I don’t like Gnome, but I am glad it works for you. At the end of the day Gnome is better than Windows, Mac, and CDE.
CDE? First time hearing of this. Off to google. :)
Cool Desktop Environment 😎
It was an effort by multiple Unix vendors to create a common desktop environment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment
I used to be a GNOME fanatic a couple of years ago. I switched to KDE after I got tired of the perpetually broken state of extensions.
I’m still thankful for all the effort and commitment the GNOME devs have invested over the years though! It’s an excellent desktop environment!
I went the opposite way. Wanted to like KDE, but found it too buggy and a bit inconsistent.
On Gnome I use really minimal extensions and those get updated very quickly so it is no longer an issue for me. I also do Gnome Extension reviews so take from that what you will
I think what drove me to that decision was the cpufreq extension. It kept breaking with every update. I usually shrugged it off but it really irked me every time.
My last straw was when they changed the theming system to force the use of libadwaita and broke my customised theme and dark mode. I don’t do a lot of customisation in general but I have rigid preferences when it comes to how I want my system to look and behave. They broke it and that drove me to explore other solutions.
I tested KDE Plasma for a couple days and I managed to replicate my setup in like 4 hours—most of which I spent exploring new things that would be impossible to do in GNOME without modifying its code base—and the end result was an improved setup which was less clunky since I didn’t have to use as many extensions as I did with GNOME to begin with. It was bliss for me.
I ultimately decided to move on.
I don’t like using GNOME desktop or apps, but that’s not because its bad or less capable for my usage. I just don’t prefer their design philosophies. I’m grateful that it exists nonetheless. Linux desktop users are spoiled by how many great choices we have.
Same for me!
Can somebody tell me how to change that in Mint Cinnamon? I really don’t like the padded bar at the top of every window.
Gnome apps running on my PC:
I don’t use Gnome
Bottom text
don’t you just fucking love
paddings!
(apologies to everyone whose device can’t render HTML entities)
i was going to ask what it was supposed to look like, then i opened a reply text and all i see is
Unfortunately, beyond the standard Markdown elements, there is zero feature parity between various front-ends and their Markdown renderers.
thx for the screenshot. mine does appear correctly! (i’m on jerboa)
Thunder also renders this correctly!
maybe this works on more devices?
paddings!That’s not padding that’s pre!
Okay so I remember seeing this exact post yesterday. Not that this is stolen, like this exact post. I read some of the comments and chuckled because tiny face Charlie Kirk is funny. I saw a picture of him on a video this morning and never realized that HIS FACE IS ACTUALLY KINDA LIKE THAT WHY IS IT SO SMALL AND CENTERED.
Holy fuck, you are right. This is from his Wikipedia page:
Why is Charlie Kirk’s face so big in this?
Also, non-GTK non-shitwaita apps on gnome.
