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      Equally exhausting to live in a world where those pussies make all the fucking rules.

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    Rips off Reagan’s Star Wars scam, rename it and call the movies it was named after woke. Is that irony? It’s stupid for sure.

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        The two “brothers” who made the movie came out as both trans years later and said it was about their trans experience. Not so much about “rights” tho

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            The whole real vs fake world, realizing you have to get out of the fake one… That’s an egg cracking metaphor I guess?

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              And that Neo finally understood who he was and what his place was after taking the red pill, with estradiol being a red pill at the time

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                Yeah but he transitioned from Mr Anderson to Neo, he didn’t transition to Neette did he? So no, it’s not about trans people or their rights, it’s about existentialism in general.

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                Oh yeah I forgot the whole pill thing, I only focused on the actual transition of his being.

                This makes all those “redpilled” right wingers even funnier lmao

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      It’s not about trans rights as much as it’s a highly metaphorical film about trans experience. So metaphorical in fact it could be argued it fails (failed) in its messaging. Even after the Wachowski sisters broke the news to everyone, the film still isn’t regarded that way. It’s a nice after note and I’m certainly not trying to rag on trans rights or issues here, it’s just that The Matrix didn’t do much of anything for trans people.

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        The major theme of the film is awakening from a false consciousness. It’s an existentialist picture. This leaves it open to any of countless interpretations unrelated to gender. I think many more people have interpreted the film as Christian with Neo in the role of Jesus and with some of the names of characters and places having biblical themes. The film’s actual depiction of gender is rather conventional, including the action girl trope shown by the character Trinity.

        Taken together, these two details make it very difficult to support the Wachowskis’ claim in the text. If anything, the opposite could be argued.

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      I’m convinced that that was just something that they decided to tack on to as an afterthought because it doesn’t really make sense to view it in that context.

      Especially if you include the sequels.

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        I think the confusing part is because the story of the movie doesn’t fit with what most people, including myself, assume a trans-film would be.

        The aesthetic and the environment I can kind of see are trans-coded. Jacking in to a fake world, and living in one where you’re your true self fits. Even the plot as a whole of living under oppression to be your fake self I can understand. Getting away from the broad strokes it really challenges what I expected a trans-film to be and that’s just confusing.

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          it’s not exactly a trans film in and of itself but it does use the those ideas at its core. it takes the vibes of the experience of being a trans person, and then builds a plot on those vibes

          it’s like a closeted trans film, hiding the true reason behind how it came to be. It had to be just broad strokes, otherwise it wouldn’t have existed. Even today an outwardly trans film would have a very difficult time getting out of the “indi film with no budget not by choice, but becuase nobody wanted to fund it” hell

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            it’s not exactly a trans film in and of itself but it does use the those ideas at its core.

            The question if we’re living in a simulation is nothing new.
            It only became a “trans” movie 'cos the directors transitioned.

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              i googled if the directors’ intention was to always put that idea in Matrix and they said yes so i’ll to with that

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                Which to me sounds like wanting to score internet points.

                At one point they cited Simulacra and Simulation and Ghost in the Shell as influences, so yes, it’s about existentialism, consciousness, the simulation hypothesis, etc.
                The trans topic fits right in but that wasn’t the original goal (unless they had a human of one gender jack in and be another gender in the matrix). Are any trans people in the cast?

                On a similar note, another such movie (from the same year) is eXistenZ.

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                  yeah i don’t exactly buy that it was intentional but both directors turned out to be trans, so their life experience is definitely reflected in the script. and to be fair, it’s very on brand for artists to say “oh yeah that was tooootally intentional, yes i planned it from the very beginning! yup!”

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      Seriously! I started listening to Rage Against the Machine specifically because they had songs like “Thank you, I’ll always do what you tell me” and “Wake Up (to the genocidal leftist conspiracy)”. This whole 180 they’ve made has been devastating.

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    Imagine that you’re awake, with your eyes open, aware of the issues in the world, and wanting to be part of making it better, and…

    …there’s a massive number of people who think you’re a shithead for believing that, and should probably be murdered for it. Just do what they tell you.

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      Woke has become one of my favourite words. It’s like when i was a kid, and everything was gay. Now it’s woke. He’s playing street fighters one woke controls. And same with the word gay, and how it was used, it was always funny when someone used it as an actual insult and you’re just like: oh yeah, i actually don’t care. Guess i’m woke then.

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        When I first started my current job a couple of years ago, there was a discussion going on in the office complaining about ‘woke’, albeit fairly mildly, which I wasn’t really participating in. My boss, who’s ex-army asked ‘Are you woke Almacca?’, to which I replied ‘I’m woke as fuck.’ She hasn’t brought it up again since. :)

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          The “anti-woke” men at my office once crowned me the “woke police” because I commented on one of their sexist/racist/homophobic/ whatever “jokes”. It’s my badge of honour. The weird part is that we kinda entered into some sort of cold war. I could comment on their “jokes”, pretending it was in jest as part of my job as “woke police”, while still getting the message across. I guess it kinda kept some semblance of friendliness and ability to cooperate while we still got our opinions out.

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    If by “woke” you mean scientific intelligence, reason, truth, honour and compassion, then I’m all for it.

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      Doesn’t woke just mean being aware of issues in your society?

      I don’t really see what scientific intelligence has to do with that tbh.

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        not specifically scientific intelligence, but more so trusting the scientific process that has been developed over centuries, and not refuting all scientific claims that conflict with specific political motives (i.e: believing that climate change is real and heavily influenced by humans and that we should stop polluting == woke. not believing in climate change because Big Oil lobbies ethically compromised politicians that then tell their constituents that climate change is a hoax; being one of those easily manipulated people == anti woke)

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      We can legitimately level a lot of hate at Hollywood and a large swath of “content creators” online for escalating the very idea of “woke” into positions so delusional or terrible that I’m still not convinced it’s not just psyop all the way down. They made the idea of progressivism and social good seem cringe, socially out-of-touch, ham-fisted and unrealistic.

      I’d love to see less “recast famous story in new races for controversy and profit” and more original stories that show actual struggles that various groups face because of their ethnicity or other identities. (I’d love to see a superhero movie that goes after corrupt healthcare company CEO’s but someone already tried to make that story on their own.)

      They shot themselves in the dick for the express purpose of creating drama and engagement while trying to appeal to their mental image of “liberal america” in pursuit of profit, not ideals.

      Honestly, the new Superman movie is a bit of a breath of fresh air, it delivers a powerful social message without falling into the tired tropes and doesn’t sugar-coat it, you know EXACTLY who they’re targeting and who they represent. But they’re also not trying to pander to both-sides. They kept Superman consistent to his values and showed that bad things are in fact, bad. And bad guys exist and are bad. (And they’re usually the wealthy elite.)

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    I reckon there is right wing propaganda to normalise vitriol and de-empathise the public to pave the way for full fascism. Many of these accounts complaining about supposed wokeness are probably bots.

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    I just watched Alien (1979) and the damn democraps made it woke. When I was growing up in the 80’s not everything had to be a social commentary. The cops saved people like in Robocop (1987) and the terrorists were stopped like in Star Wars (1977) because America are the good guys. MAGA!!