Kim Iverson is a dumbass moron who lives in a bubble.
Oh wow, it’s true. This is from April, it was 8 at that time:
One Kiwi woman in her 40s was allegedly detained at San Francisco Airport for 15 hours and forced to buy a return ticket to New Zealand after officials took issue with the visa she’d been issued by the State Department.
Planning to visit her partner in Florida, who works on a fixed-term contract, before holidaying in Europe, the woman was allegedly questioned for five hours over her visa, Arizona-based author Wendilynn Kay alleged in a post reshared on Facebook.
To be fair, before that I was already afraid to go there too. There are so many people with guns and so many mass shootings, my chances of getting shot would skyrocket.
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Yeah. It’s a real shithole here right now. I wouldn’t visit us either.
There were also Swiss and Italian visitors detained.
Congratulations Italians, your honorary whiteness has been revoked and you have been demoted to the “swarthy” category once more. We really are just reinventing OLD SCHOOL racism again.
Never thought I would see the day when anti-Italian racism might actually become a thing again lmao. The Swiss lady was detained most likely because of social media posts about Palestine.
I will never forget this quote from Ben Franklin
Why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.
That’s right Ben fucking Franklin thought Germans were not white enough lmao
Imagine being so racist that Germans and Swedes are not white enough for you.
Reminds me of Pierce Hawthorne’s dad in Community, he said something like “Swedish dogs, you’re tainted by race mixing with Laplanders. You’re practically Finnish!” Which meant absolutely nothing to me at the time the episode aired but now I realize is a callback to Ben Franklin era racism
I’ve recently read a book by Maciej Górny, where he in particular described how European scientists strived to prove that everyone to their east and south are Mongols actually. British called French Mongols, French called Germans Mongols, Germans and Swedes called Poles and Finns Mongols, Poles and Finns called Russians Mongols and Russians had to alternate between calling Mongols Mongols and saying “we are Mongols and it is based actually”.
also “leslie” i can "excuse racism, but i draw the line on animal cruelty(place holder for conservatives for whatever is political convenient for them)
Some examples:
- Irish tourist detained for ~100 days, for overstaying by 3 days due to a medical condition, despite notifying authorities/
- Australian detained and deported in “traumatic ordeal” for blogging sympathetically towards Gaza protesters
- Advice for those deciding to travel to the US anyway
- Not directly related, but it’s the sort of thing that’s discouraging travel for sure
If you become ill or show humanity, the regime will send you to a labor camp.
To be fair, Americans get other news. That’s why I’m here. So, if this is being reported in other countries, more of you should post Those links here. Clearly we are not being told – so I implore you, please tell us.
This is basically common knowledge. It’s in dozens of mainstream international media outlets and has been all over social media.
My guess is that you consume a narrow selection of news media. So, think broader!
I consume the media YOU give me. Mf.
To be fair, it would be difficult to be on Lemmy and not be aware of this stuff, it’s the vast majority of people who have no exposure to this kind of stuff that are the problem.
I literally read just about every single thing posted to Lemmy, at least anything Midwest.Social is federated with, and I havent seen a single link posted about foreign tourists being detained since those two German girls got detained in Hawai’i for no reason several months ago
But this is the first I’ve heard about it
I can’t tell if you’re joking. Assuming not, that’s great, Lemmy working as intended
Not joking. More. I want it. Share it. Please.
When you thing “my local news is now important” I WANT IT. please. More.
Oh for fucks sake, stay away. Most of us know exactly what is going on. Stay they fuck away for a dozen years or so while we fight our out of it, or show up to help. Either way, don’t come here to holiday. We gotta unfuck ourselves first.
Good luck with that. I mean it. When shit really hits the fan it’s not just you being in trouble due to the dependencies other countries have to the US.
It’s hard to imagine American’s unfucking the country when even the ones who oppose the current regime mostly just want to return to the status quo of a being a genocidal empire with titan prison population.
Literally just had to explain to my wife that her friends may be OK visiting as they are white but that it’s not a great idea to be travelling to the US.
Regrettably I feel it’s the minority in alot of countries that have these moral sensibilities
AFAIK it’s not a skin color thing. Everyone may get asked to unlock their phones and provide access to their social media. If they don’t like what they see, you get seperated from your children, have to go back or are deported to El Salvador.
You are correct that its not entirely a skin color thing, that all that stuff can and does hapoen to anyone, of any nationality/appearance…
But at the same time, you are way, way more likely to have a really fucking bad outcome the further your skin tone is away from eggshell off white.
I see stories of southern Italians / Siicillians getting held for weeks, Canadians of Hispanic heritage getting sent to some kind of internment camp… but, white/euro descent Canadians with some minor misdemeanors in the US 10 years ago getting basically just turned away at the border, then eventually they get some kind of visa/residence permit re enabled after some paperwork bs.
Skin color is absolutely a good general indicator of how bad your outcome is likely to be.
The … particularly infuriating thing, to me at least, is… these Nazi ICE fucks can’t tell the difference between an indigenous, native American, and a hispanic person, all they see is brown skin, and I am also seeing reports of people of that kind of descent being lumped into roundups and raids.
They’ve literally been here for thousands, tens, hundreds of thousands of years, but nope, America still hates the fuck out of the Sioux, Choctaw, Commanche, etc etc.
Which, obviously, is causing tourism to fall into a giant crater.
And our Dear Leader is simultaneously whining about how bad all these “foreign invaders” are, while also being furious at how tourism revenue has fallen off a cliff because of the “woke mind virus” or some other idiocy like that.
What a time to be alive.
I watch Telemundo with subtitles in my office when I want to have something on so I can try to learn a little more Spanish. Everyday they’re talking about ICE abducting people. It’s wild. And it’s local Telemundo. This shit is fucked.
I told someone from UK recently that yeah, America is cool, I think it’s worth seeing some of the national parks, but maybe wait until this administration is out because holy FUCK.
American here. We have almost 3.5 more years of this horse shit. If indeed cheetoh Hitler allows another election.
Cheetoh Hitler doesn’t get to make that decision: you do.
You might have missed some news in the last few days…
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The numbers for your last election don’t make sense. You are not going to have a free election for a while.
Most places which fall to fascist regimes have a minimum of a few decades of bad times and thousands to millions of deaths.
Well the US has already thoroughly managed the millions dead, assuming you consider foreigners human.
Of course but I meant that it’s naive to expect it to go back to normal without substantial strife for the people who live here not downplaying any strife elsewhere.
The Republicans are going to fuck up badly enough that they doom themselves in fair elections leaving them openly cheating or otherwise ending actual democracy. This leads to resistance and upset which they meet with violence which cycles up until the whole thing explodes.
Of course but I meant that it’s naive to expect it to go back to normal without substantial strife for the people who live here not downplaying any strife elsewhere.
Well that “normal” people want to go back to already included massive strife for the rest of the world, so I’m not sympathetic to Americans.
otherwise ending actual democracy.
I find it hard to say that’s there’s much Democracy to end anyway.
This leads to resistance and upset which they meet with violence which cycles up until the whole thing explodes.
Yeah. That’s the Imperial Boomerang for you, I suppose.
Actual democracy means that if you don’t like how its going you have a right to switch leadership which in turn has a right to change the laws you don’t like something we absolutely have had.before just recently.
Did the millions of people America murdered overseas have a right to switch leadership? Or the absurd number of prisoners in US jails? Did people outside of swing states? People who want something other than neoliberalism? The people who were part of communist or black liberation parties that were destroyed by the US intelligence services and their leadership assassinated?
Obviously people in other countries don’t have a right to have a say in leadership here. All the people mentioned here have exactly the rights others have to vote. Obviously the relatively stupid beta democracy 0.03 we are stuck with doesn’t provide very good protection nor ability to achieve even reasonable ends in our rather fucky system but that wasn’t really the question.
The question is given large scale fuckery are we able to change gears. We were up until now it looks like we won’t be able to going forward which is a substantial difference.
can i borrow your rose colored glasses i need them got a feeling today is gonna be rough
People who watch fox news don’t know anything. Those of us who read the news from various sources are aware of what’s happening. Sadly, we’re a very small minority. What’s happening here is scary as hell, especially when you see so many people just acting like everything is normal, either because they actually think that or they just don’t know what else to do. I hope democracy will survive this, but the architects of its demise have been largely unimpeded so far. If I wasn’t American, there’s no fucking way I would come here with the fulvous fascist in power. Fuck trump. Fuck fascism.
They know. The voted for it and are witnessing it quietly.
But don’t forget the files guys. Keep talking about the files instead.
As an American, they really don’t know. Its worse than that, they refuse to even look at any evidence of it happening, “its all fake news” they say. I recently got a few of them to finally see it and they instantly got depressed and went down deep and fast; “this is not what I voted for” they said. I’d argue that a lot of the people supporting this bullshit aren’t really bad people, they got conned by a brilliant coordinated effort of corporate propaganda and would be completely against it if they could ever open their eyes and pay attention.
Politics is not a team sport where you support some side for fun, sadly it has consequences. And I fear with the evolution of modern AI this type of propaganda efforts just got 100 times easier to do today, not only the news are telling us what to think in America, now the AI’s can easily sneakily slip in some agenda to pull us in whatever direction the corporation feels helps them.
I agree, republican propaganda is just insanely successful in that they have people believing that they’re the only source of truth and everyone else, even scientific papers, is biased, wrong, and “written by the enemy”
By the time a republican sees an actual accurate source, their news media has already prepared them with several excuses for why that isn’t actually something to be paid attention to.
They voted for hate, this is what they wanted.
Let them change their behavior, but don’t let them gaslight you, they wanted EXACTLY this.
Yep. The whole ‘they don’t know better’ is just a way for the other team* to imply they are smarter and the ones who know THE truth. While failing to see the reality right in front of them.
I always here “it’s/them/they/are woke!!!”. It’s lost all meaning and it’s just dumb brainwashed and it assholes don’t like something it’s woke.
They know
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media
They very explicitly and purposefully do not. This is a cornerstone of American domestic power. You cloud the news media with “Crime Wave” hysterics and neoliberal economic truisms, then strategically squelch or discredit any opposition views, from Dan Rather to Steven Colbert.
This is in large part thanks to a massive consolidation of media ownership over the last forty years, particularly via capture by Big Tech parent companies.
If “they know”, who told them?
You know who else says this? Every other American lmao
lmao
You’re a strong data point, I’ll concede that much.
also animal ag is an atrocity you must never think about
This is how state Russian media works. Never cover the truth, like a war with Ukraine. It’s a “special military operation”.
What are we, a bunch of asiatic hordes???
Dah comrade, now let’s go out for burger&vodka, yeehaw.
A bit racist to turn a story about Americans abusing other Americans into “this is why russia is evil”.
To adress the vestiges of an actual point that you had: Countries like Kazakhstan have a mutual defense treaty with Russia. Declaring war formally would obligate them to join the conflict, in a massive escalation that would be bad for everyone.
America does something Americanly in America
“This is why Russia is bad”
Ok but what does US gov have to gain from just detaining random foreign civilians? I am geniuenly confused why this is happening.
Fascists want complete control, and it sends a message not to come here. They only want ‘their kind’, meaning white racist conservatives. Detaining is a power play. Just a reminder, this is the trump government, not the citizens. The majority of people are welcoming, only about 25% of Americans are complete and utter trash.
You say “only” but one in every four is a pretty significant amount of people who support jailing you just for being brown
There hasn’t been a US government in my life time that wasn’t unspeakably racist and evil, so it’s kind of hard to believe the majority are welcoming.
Yeah, that’s a quarter of the population my dude. That’s not a good look. Why would anyone want to go to a place where 1 in every 4 people hate you?
Look at how American media (liberal or fascist) covered Israel even pre-Trump. Or invasion of Iraq.
friggin Putler!!!
American’s will never fail to blame foreigners for all their problems. It’s zero surprise America is in this state when both sides of it’s political system are xenophobic nationalists who believe in the modern version of the Judeo-Bolshivik conspiracy theory.
Is this Russian media in the room with us right now?
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Am American, can confirm. Trying to talk to my family about this results in arguments and then calling me “a sheeple” and blind, and/or blaming it on the “democrats fake news.”
Comparing them to rocks, is an insult to rocks.
