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Has Lemmy just been completely flooded with CCP apologists now?
RedNote ToS includes provisions that require you to post “correct views on history, nationality, state, or culture”.
I guess if you believe Taiwan should be “returned” to the mainland, Uhghurs deserve to be “re-educated” and enslaved, and that China is the natural and rightful pre-eminant global power… you’re gonna be fine.
brought to you by the same users that made:
- you’re a Nazi because you don’t support Palestine
- Harris is evil, vote 3rd party
- I’d rather vote for Jill Stein than vote for Trump
- Harris is just as bad as Trump
- If you support Harris you want to kill Palestinian babies you Nazi
- Democrats and Republicans are the same
- If China is bad, America is worse
- American censorship is worse than Chinese censorship
- TikTok was banned because it was a threat to the American surveillance state
you’re a Nazi because you don’t support Palestine
Legit. Supporting genocide kinda invalidates your other points.
Okay, but if you recognize genocide in Palestine, that’s just a vote for Donald Trump who is a Nazi.
That means recognizing genocide makes you a Nazi. Only by ignoring genocide, shutting up about 3rd parties, admitting China is worse, venerating Democrats as the only good party worthy of your vote, and apologizing for any kind of environmentalism that might cost us the election can you truly stand up for the people of Palestine.
And since Harris didn’t win, we know you broke these rules. The only reason you’d do that is if you secretly conspired to hand Donald Trump the election, because you’re a Nazi.
I took it as “don’t pretend we don’t have censorship too”
It’s false equivalence though, although with the election of shadow president Musk it’s getting a bit more hazy.
Even so, one is an (admittedly hugely influential) private company and the other is the actual single-party government dictating what speech is allowed.
When all of the companies do it and they do as they are told by daddy Sam… What is the difference.
The only difference I see is that they don’t send you to gulag in US unless you really make some dear leader life uncomfortable.
Americans still do a lot of self censorship. Anything Israel related gets modded into shot on normie socials.
Luigi is prolly best example… They are suppressing that across all media, fake news and social… How is this different from shepoohs bullshit?
I’m not defending the bad things our government does. But do we see mass arrests of people wearing Luigi shirts? Will you be denied a passport as a result of posting some critical message on social media? I had friends, very average unimportant people, who were detained for days at a Chinese airport for having a social media history showing support for Taiwan. It’s not the same thing.
Us has largest prison population in the world?
Capitalist regimes targets people differently but the function of the oppression is the same.
Yeah oppression is universal to some extent. But there’s a big difference between a government that says “everyone is equal before the law” but which sometimes breaks those rules and a country that says “the law is what we say it is”
Which one functions better as a whole, given our current social problems, I don’t know. But from a personal point of view I’m very happy to live and have grown up somewhere relatively free.
But from a personal point of view I’m very happy to live and have grown up somewhere relatively free.
Everyone says this until their targeted…
This is essentially the logic first they came for the communists… I was not a communist…
The modern regime know not to push it too far, generally that’s just bad business but they always need some marginalized group to oppress for the performative purposes to remind the plebs who got the monopoly on violence. And gen pop accepts it as “ohh well, they do it to black people etc, at least it won’t me, carry one”
At the core us and Chinese pedons behave the same with the same excuses for why their daddy is good, other daddy is bad.
We have several prisoners at Guantanamo with absolutely no tangible connection to terrorist organizations. They have been there for 20 years in some cases and have no release or court date scheduled.
Again I’m not trying to defend that bad things our governments do. And Guantanamo is an especially egregious example, I agree. But Guantanamo is something exceptional, not the norm. How many inmates does Guantanamo have? You can look it up, it’s public information. You can protest it, you can vote for politicians that agree it should be closed. And yes it’s not as easy as that but it can be done.
But now try to stage a public protest against the treatments of Uygurs in Beijing. Try to get details about the people imprisoned there or the conditions they live under. Hell try to find out what happened to your disappeared relatives.
The difference is one is at least paying lip service to ideas like rule of law and democracy, even though at times it breaks its own rules. The other says rule of law is irrelevant.
But Guantanamo is something exceptional, not the norm.
orly?
Is that why US either highest or second highest prison population?
You have been providing very naive, regime sanctioned talking points. You don’t do any critical analysis of the conditions imposed.
Nobody disputing that US provides limited freedom of assembly. But it does not make US some how superior when they are still oppressing the population. You don’t appear to recognize the economic oppression being “as bad” as whatever shepooh does to his property?
Is economic oppression and bureaucratic murder of the population supposed to be some how morally superior?
one is an (admittedly hugely influential) private company and the other is the actual single-party government
The US has been governed by public-private partnerships for centuries. Trying to draw a line between the industry administrators that get promoted into every crevice of public sector bureaucracy and the elected politicians who depart office to serve as lobbyists and board members of private firms is a fool’s errand.
Do we celebrate Chris Dodd the Senator and denounce Chris Dodd the chairman of and chief lobbyist for the MPAA? Do we applaud Hank Paulson the Treasury Secretary and denounce Hank Paulson the CEO of Goldman Sachs?
Americans seem to have no trouble drawing a straight line between Singapore-incorporated ByteDance and the Chinese Communist Party. Why can’t they see the connection between Howard Lutnick or Linda McMahon or Betsy DeVos or Elaine Chao and the businesses they own and operate?
Hey you’ll get no argument from me. I’m on Lemmy for a reason. But it’s still not the same as just straight up “the government decides what is thoughtcrime”
“the government decides what is thoughtcrime”
the owner class decides and they control both the corporation and the state.
You find this arrangement superior to Chinaman daddy model… which is fine, that is your opinion. But at the end of day, there is no much difference beyond who gets oppressed and for what reason.
You are appear to accept economic oppression as preferable because chinaman bad.
Saying “there is censorship here” in no way implies “there is not censorship there”
Crazy thought: What if both platforms are bad?
If you cannot host it, you cannot own it. If you cannot own it, it’s not resistant to censorship.
Well clearly Elon has demonstrated that ownership does not resist one’s own censorship either… Almost like we need something that nobody fully owns…
Or that everybody owns. The means of information distribution and the means of production should be completely in the hands of the people.
Commie
Thanks, comrade!
Man on floating whale corpse: “Your boat stinks!”
Man on burning garbage scow: “What?”
At least the whale is biodegradable!
I mean you should do it but not out of spite, or to be hurtful, but to give people the freedom to choose.
And to do that, they need to know what their government was up to.
I mean it is funny, but there’s a chasm between government censorship and whatever xitter is doing.
I don’t get it?
Ok. So the censorship of RedNote is mandated by the CCP in order for them to persist. Shitter is doing what they are by their own choice.
I don’t agree at all
… ok?
Sorry, I meant to say thanks, that explains why I don’t understood the joke
Westerners acting like they give a shit about the Uyghurs while they spent the last 20+ years bombing the ME and supporting a genocide against the Palestinians is just the tip of their hypocrisy.
Here’s a crazy thought: maybe all genocides are bad.
Yeah, but Rednote censorship is bad because communism whilst Twitter’s censorship is fine because it’s the 100% Capitalist Free Market situation of a billionaire buying (using, amongst others, money from a Petro State) a privatelly owned forum for exchange of ideas and then shutting down any ideas he doesn’t like.
/s
It’s possible for platforms under the influence of the Chinese government and right wing American billionaires to both have harmful censorship.
That was the point of the reply wasn’t it? Maybe I assume too much of them.
It’s hard to take any apologists for the CCP seriously even if they make a good point.
That user is being hypocritical by using Twitter while bashing censorship, but it would be the cultural equivalent to praising Biden or Trump for never drinking and somebody comes along and praises Hitler for also not drinking. You should not praise Hitler even if it is true.
Are they CCP apologists? I have no idea who any of these people are.
Without any context, I read it as:
Haha Chinese censorship
You’re on a censored platform too.
In this precise example they are apologists because they’re deflecting criticism and bringing up other wrongdoings done by other people in a different part of the world under different means and for different goals.
Nah, the point of the reply was supposed to be “America bad”, despite most of us clearly recognizing “Elon bad”.
I interpreted it as:
haha Chinese censorship
Right here too
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The reply just pointed out the hypocrisy of the original poster.
(As in “here you are a willing participant in a forum were censorship is just as bad complaining about how there is this other forum were censorship is bad”)
I am sure cisgender (顺性别) and other genders are at least shadow-banned on red note. Honestly, I have not heard this word for my entire Chinese-speaking life, until one of my LGBT friend mentioned it.
Everyone knows China is a progressive communist/socialist country that recognizes genders :)
You should really use /s, almost missed it.
I’ve come across plenty of LGBT content on REDnote in my short time so far
That is interesting. I am genuinely curious, are these by Chinese people in Mandarin/Cantonese, or your fellow “refugee”?
are these by Chinese people
It could put them in danger if they posted it, we shouldn’t encourage that
Is the situation that dire that a comment like that would put their safety in jeopardy? Genuinely curious
It is not “say gay and go to jail” kind of situation, but LGBTQ community are actively being marginalized, and any form of promotion and organization are likely not paint the participants in favorable light.
One thing that might surprise the west (like the income and cost of living in China) is that Chinese policies are seldom delivered by a publicly avaliable written order, making it hard to find concrete proofs of government wrong doing. This give rises to the word “喝茶” (drink tea), typically means to pressure certain group or individual into submission without a formal procedure or record.
This culture of doing things “under the table” and several crackdown on investigative journalism has led to many inconclusive proof of wrongdoing and some misconception by many people from the west.
However, there are still plenty of evidence that many LGBTQ organizations are forsed to shutdown, non-heteralsexual couple not recieving appropriate benefit, and harassment from officials. Just to list a few,
- LGBTQ society forced to shutdown in top universities: https://bpr.studentorg.berkeley.edu/2022/04/17/the-silenced-lgbtq-students-in-china/
- LGBTQ advocacy group and safe spaces force to shutdown: https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/11/06/china-lgbt-advocacy-government-crackdown/ and https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-beijing-lgbt-center-rcna85528
- Wechat and Weibo mass removal of LGBTQ account: https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/07/07/wechat-lgbt-accounts/ and https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2021/07/netizen-voices-lgbt-groups-metoo-activist-shut-down-by-wechat-weibo/?amp
- TV and video game ban: https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/10/02/china-video-games-gay-effeminate-men-ban/ and https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/09/03/china-masculinity-sissy-men-tv/
- Chinese non-heteralsexual couple required to list each other as “guardian” to recieve basic benefit: https://www.thepinknews.com/2019/08/06/same-sex-couples-china-name-legal-guardians/
- China public hospital conducts LGBTQ conversion therapy, also requires conversion therapy before gender affirming treatment: https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2017/11/hrw-urges-china-end-sexual-orientation-conversion-therapy/?amp
- Weaponizes regulation against LGBTQ societies: https://theconversation.com/the-chinese-government-claims-lgbtq-people-are-protected-from-discrimination-our-interviews-with-26-activists-tell-another-story-215158
- Restriction on LGBTQ dating app: https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3189767/founder-blued-chinas-largest-gay-dating-app-steps-down-after
https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/09/03/china-masculinity-sissy-men-tv/
Talks about more than just the tv ban
Not the worst place, you can apply for someone to be your legal guardian as a way to get around same sex marriage
But there are also no protections
How? They already posted it to a site that is almost definitely monitored by the CCP.
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That’s what the whattaboutism implies.
Person talking about how the neighbour’s yard is such a mess and then somebody else pointing out that their own yard is just as much as a mess is pointing out the hypocrisy of that person, rather than whataboutism.
Whataboutism is the reverse - it’s when somebody points out your yard is a mess and you point out that the neighbour’s yard is also a mess.
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But… But… the Tankies told me I had to choose!
What do you mean right wing America bad and China also bad?! But which team are you on then?! Someone tell me which crimes to excuse and which to condemn! /s
Yeah, their censorship is cruel and tragic.
But our censorship is cheeky and fun.
/s because unfortunately it’s necessary
Chinese shenanigans
that pic of the woman saying Dumb NWORD , followed up by a rebuttal Dumb Cracker (the latter was taken down by admins) tells you all you need to know about elon musk
