More free child labor in jails.
when we’re saying that if the group chat leaks, we end up in prison, it seems like it was true
When the memes become real life
Arrested and strip-searched for a first offense? That’s fucking ridiculous. I hope the lawsuit succeeds. It’s the only peaceful tool we have to curb over-zealous law enforcement.
Before the morning was even over, the Tennessee eighth grader was under arrest. She was interrogated, strip-searched and spent the night in a jail cell, her mother says.
Earlier in the day, her friends had teased the teen about her tanned complexion and called her “Mexican,” even though she’s not. When a friend asked what she was planning for Thursday, she wrote: “on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s.”
This is an ass-covering response to school shootings, because some of the shooters have expressed their intent before.
A strip search obviously isn’t necessary even if it’s a credible threat; a metal detector wand and basic pat down is more than enough to ensure someone doesn’t have a gun. This wasn’t a credible threat though, and a chat with the school counselor would have been the right way to handle this.
Yeah, that was my first thought too. I can see the need to take anything that resembles an actionable threat seriously, but that poor kid did not deserve to be abused by law enforcement like that.
With the help of artificial intelligence, technology can dip into online conversations and immediately notify both school officials and law enforcement.
Not sure what’s worse here: how the police overreacted or that the software immediately contacts law enforcement, without letting teachers (n.b.: they are the professionals here, not the police) go through the positives first.
But oh, that would mean having to pay somebody, at least some extra hours, in addition to the no doubt expensive software. JFC.
The cruelty is the point.
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Man, if only there was a good way to stop school shooting
Alas, one can only dream
“no way to stop this” says the only country where this happens
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I didn’t realize the schools were using Run, Hide, Fight. That is the same policy for hospital staff in the event of an active shooter. Maddening.
Why maddening? The active shooter response shouldn’t be all that different.
I’m sorry, in hospitals? Where a significant portion of the residents can do none of those things?
Hospital staff.
I missed that part lol, mb
They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets?
The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings.
Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations.
I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits.
I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it.
I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot.
Having worked in quite a few fields in the last 15 years or so, it’s the same active shooter training they give everyone. Even in stores that sell guns.
I’ll let the reader decide how fucked up it is that there’s basically a countrywide accepted “standard response”
Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits.
Authorities be like “aww shoot, not again.”
the policy is to stop school shootings
You should try Europe once. It’s more fun than your 3rd world country.
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I’d hope for better treatment, especially considering how many of our ancestors came from there pretty recently (obviously shouldn’t be a requirement, everyone should be allowed to live anywhere they wish). I’m planning to move there. Hope I don’t get treated like shit lol
Knowing that Europe literally has a problem with its soccer audiences making monkey noises at black athletes makes this particular bit of condescension all the more ridiculous.
Reddit moment: comparing a few racist idiots with daily murders.
“Daily murder” is a sneaky rhetorical maneuver, considering it’s something influenced more by raw population size, than by capita. It’s easy for there to be a “daily murder” in a country of 340,000,000 people, even when the overwhelmingly vast majority of people do not murder.
Using “few” to trivialize/minimize the racism is no better.
Shame on you for this disingenuity.
Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it’s not like they were trying to actively misinform people.
That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting
I think if the matches are having to be stopped, it’s probably more than a few.
Is this better, worse, or the same as throwing dildos at female WNBA athletes?
A lot of Europe seems to somehow have worse racism in some areas than the US. Ask a couple English people what they think of travellers and Muslims.
Agreed on the condescension, that was uncalled for. Your whataboutism sucks though.
Idiots and assholes exist everywhere. At least ours don’t have guns.
Yeah, they use knives instead.
The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US.
If you think I’m trying to say the US is better… by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole.
My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they’ll just be replaced by something else.
This isn’t the flex you think it is.
Wasn’t intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil.
The Asiaphobia that still goes on in the UK is absurd…
I’ll still never get over the British Dub of Takeshi’s Castle referring to contestants as “Happy Clappy Jappy Chappies” and “Kamikaze Cousins”
A shame, I really wanted to watch that version, it has Craig Charles doing the narrating, but… sorry Lister, seems you can’t help but be a smeghead around the Japanese.
The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question.
Yeah, at the very least, the software should be passing on the statement, and context surrounding it, along with its ‘judgment’, to the authorities, putting all the responsibility for making the call that X genuinely merits action on said authorities.
Of course, that’s just one piece of the puzzle, and not a solution if law enforcement isn’t held accountable when they fuck up.
The police are not effective at dealing with school shootings.
I hate how fully leapfrogged the conversation about surveillance was. It’s so disgusting that it’s just assumed that all of your communications should be read by your teachers, parents, and school administration just because you’re a minor. Kids deserve privacy too.
My sense of humor is dry, dark, and absurdist. I’d go to jail every week for the sorts of things I joke about if I was a kid today. This is complete lunacy.
Example of an average joke on my part: speed up and run over that old lady crossing the street!
It makes my partner laugh. I laugh. We both know I don’t mean it. But a crappy AI tool wouldn’t understand that.
Just don’t allow an ai on the jury. If you are on a jury tell tpe judge you want the prosecuting lawyers disbarred for wasting your time.
Yeah especially around middle school, the “darker” the “joke” the more funny it was
Something tells me that our type of jokes are on the way out bro. As you said, there’s no room for nuance in this story, so I’m afraid we’ll eventually all be listened in on 100% of the time until someone says something ‘actionable’. If you’re not already on a multitude of lists by now, you’re doing something wrong.
Nah, dark humor is like a child with cancer, it never gets old.
My understanding is those types of jokes are now en vogue, at least with Republicans. Wait, maybe it’s only wrong when they’re jokes, but it’s OK when the Republicans are serious about these things.
Depends on the complexion of the old lady crossing the street.
Another school shooting avoided! Just kidding, we just tortured a child for fun.
Which kinda seems like a villain origin story to me.
Do you want to badly fuck up a society? Because that is how you badly fuck up a society.
It is not the tool, but is the lazy stupid person that created the implementation. The same stupidity is true of people that run word filtering in conventional code. AI is just an extra set of eyes. It is not absolute. Giving it any kind of unchecked authority is insane. The administrators that implemented this should be what everyone is upset at.
The insane rhetoric around AI is a political and commercial campaign effort by Altmann and proprietary AI looking to become a monopoly. It is a Kremlin scope misinformation campaign that has been extremely successful at roping in the dopes. Don’t be a dope.
This situation with AI tools is exactly 100% the same as every past scapegoated tool. I can create undetectable deepfakes in gimp or Photoshop. If I do so with the intent to harm or out of grossly irresponsible stupidity, that is my fault and not the tool. Accessibility of the tool is irrelevant. Those that are dumb enough to blame the tool are the convenient idiot pawns of the worst of humans alive right now. Blame the idiots using the tools that have no morals or ethics in leadership positions while not listening to these same types of people’s spurious dichotomy to create monopoly. They prey on conservative ignorance rooted in tribalism and dogma which naturally rejects all unfamiliar new things in life. This is evolutionary behavior and a required mechanism for survival in the natural world. Some will always scatter around the spectrum of possibilities but the center majority is stupid and easily influenced in ways that enable tyrannical hegemony.
AI is not some panacea. It is a new useful tool. Absent minded stupidity is leading to the same kind of dystopian indifference that lead to the ““free internet”” which has destroyed democracy and is the direct cause of most political and social issues I’m the present world when it normalized digital slavery through ownership over a part of your person for sale, exploitation, and manipulation without your knowledge or consent.
I only say this because I care about you digital neighbor. I know it is useless to argue against dogma but this is the fulcrum of a dark dystopian future that populist dogma is welcoming with open arms of ignorance just like those that said the digital world was a meaningless novelty 30 years ago.
In such a world, hoping for a different outcome would be just a dream. You know, people always look for the easy way out, and in the end, yes, we will live under digital surveillance, like animals in a zoo. The question is how to endure this and not break down, especially in the event of collapse and poverty. It’s better to hope for the worst and be prepared than to look for a way out and try to rebel and then get trapped.
Collapse is likely not that bad for the average person. The fundamental inputs outputs and needs are all the same. The clowns on top are all that really change.
Well, it may happen that these clowns will use poverty to make people want stability and voluntarily put on a collar, and if that doesn’t work, they will use force. I mean a future concentration camp. Well, and digital currencies and all this dystopian crap.
You seem to be handwaving all concerns about the actual tech, but I think the fact that “training” is literally just plagiarism, and the absolutely bonkers energy costs for doing so, do squarely position LLMs as doing more harm than good in most cases.
The innocent tech here is the concept of the neural net itself, but unless they’re being trained on a constrained corpus of data and then used to analyze that or analogous data in a responsible and limited fashion then I think it’s somewhere on a spectrum between “irresponsible” and “actually evil”.
scraping the web to create a dataset isn’t plagiarism, same with training a model on said scraped data, and calculating which words should come in what order isn’t plagiarism too. I agree that datasets should be ethically sourced, but scraping the web is something that allowed such things as the search engine to be created, which made the web a lot more useful. Was creating google irresponsible?
This is a wild take. You can get chatbots to vomit out entire paragraphs of published works verbatim. There is functionally no mechanism to a chatbot other than looking at a bunch existing texts, picking one randomly, and copying the next word from it. There’s no internal processing or logic that you could call creative, it’s just sticking one Lego at a time onto a tower, and every Lego is someone’s unpaid intellectual property.
There is no definition of plagiarism or copyright that LLMs don’t bite extremely hard. They’re just getting away with it because of the billions of dollars of capital pushing the tech. I am hypothetically very much for the complete abolition of copyright and free usage of information, but a) that means everyone can copy stuff freely, instead of just AI companies, and b) it first requires an actually functional society that provides for the needs of its citizens so they can have the time to do stuff like create art without needing to make a livable profit at it. And even if that were the case, I would still think the current implementation of AI is pretty shitty if it’s burning the same ludicrous amounts of energy to do its parlor tricks.
The energy costs are overblown. An response costs about 3Wh, which is about 1 minute of runtime for a 200W Pc, or 10 Seconds of a 1000W microwave. See the calculations made here and below for the energy costs. if you want to save energy, go vegan and ditch your car; completely disbanding ChatGPT amounts for 0,0017% of the CO2 Reduction during Covid 2020 (this guy gave the numbers, but had an error in magnitude, which i fixed in my reply, calculator output is attached. It would help climate activists if they concentrated on something that is worthwhile to criticize.
If i read a book, and use phrases out of that book in my communication, it is covered under fair use - the same should be applicable for scraping the web, or else we can close the internet archive next. Since LLM output isn’t copyrightable, i see no issues with that - and copyright law in the US is an abomination which is only useful for big companies to use as a weapon, small artists don’t really profit from that.
The costs for responses are overblown, but the costs for training are not.
If the world is ruled by psychopaths who seek absolute power for the sake of even more power, then the very existence of such technologies will lead to very sad consequences and, perhaps, most likely, even to slavery. Have you heard of technofeudalism?
Okay sure but in many cases the tech in question is actually useful for lots of other stuff besides repression. I don’t think that’s the case with LLMs. They have a tiny bit of actually usefulness that’s completely overshadowed by the insane skyscrapers of hype and lies that have been built up around their “capabilities”.
With “AI” I don’t see any reason to go through such gymnastics separating bad actors from neutral tech. The value in the tech is non-existent for anyone who isn’t either a researcher dealing with impractically large and unwieldy datasets, or of course a grifter looking to profit off of bigger idiots than themselves. It has never and will never be a useful tool for the average person, so why defend it?
I am an average person, and my GPU is running a chatbot which currently gives me a course in Regular Expressions. My GPU also generates images for me from time to time when i need an image, because i am crappy at drawing. There are a lot of uses for the technology.
Okay so you could have just looked up one of dozens of resources on regex. The images you “need” are likely bad copies of images that already exist, or they’re weird collages of copied subject matter.
My point isn’t that there’s nothing they can do at all, it’s that nothing they can do is worth the energy cost. You’re spending tons of energy to effectively chew up information already on the web and have it vomited back to you in a slightly different form, when you could have just looked up the information directly. It doesn’t save time, because you have to double check everything. The images are also plagiarized, and you could be paying an artist if they’re something important, or improving your artistic abilities if they aren’t. I struggle to think of many cases where one of those options is unfeasible, it’s just the “easy” way out (because the energy costs are obfuscated) to have a machine crunch up some existing art to get a approximation of what you want.
There’s nothing to defend. Tell me, would you defend someone who is a threat to you and deprives you of the ability to create, making art unnecessary? No, you would go and kill him while this bastard hasn’t grown up. Well, what’s the point of defending a bullet that will kill you? Are you crazy?
no paywall https://archive.md/1lSRA
I got a captcha on the archive, but was able to read the original just fine. I guess archives are not necessarily lower barrier.
AI is a virus
AI is the last to blame here:
- The kids for bullying her for her tan
- The school boards implementing the surveillance
- The parents who allowed such surveillance in the first place
- The person screening what was flagged for not sending the school counselor to talk with the kid
- The person calling the cops
- The cops for arresting an 8th-grader and DOING A STRIP SEARCH AND KEEPING HER OVERNIGHT WTF instead of handing her over to her parents
this is a societywide issue, dont blame the bot.
I notice that none of these suggestions include any AI solutions. Could you please rephrase these to emphasize how AI might be a powerful aid in the fight against online bullying and police brutality?
For this scenario to happen a simple text filter that marks messages with the word “kill” would have been enough. that an LLM was involved is a distraction from the real issues.
I notice this suggestion doesn’t include any AI solutions. Could you please rephrase to emphasize how effective an ally AI can be at identifying negative sentiments among large userbases?
AI is a machine that cannot be held accountable and has no will.
Stop being distracted by the tool, look at the humans.
AI is all about the humans.
The world is turning into one giant shitty customer service experience.
What is sad is that an environment like this ruins someone’s mental health and ironically increasing the overall risk of violence.
Don’t remember whose quote it was, maybe Hannah Arendt, that the real tragedy of tyranny is not when people self-censor what they say out loud, but when this leads them to filter out those thoughts from arising at all
That’s the surveillance panopticon, they know they are being watched, but not when.
I didn’t know Reddit admins were also school admins
This is also why (I think) that younger people don’t like going outside. Cameras are everywhere. There’s no privacy. We’ve become a world of creeps. Not really for the most of us. But if I was 10 years old I’d think everyone as creeps.
Now corporations are forcibly creeping into the classrooms. Yuck!
Hope the kids find the people responsible and do everything I know a teenager to be able to do to make their lives waking nightmares.
