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It’s like an entry rule for MAGAt women:
- Fuck up your face.
- See #1.
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Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
I’m not American so I hadn’t heard of Kristi Noem before the last episode. But seeing this post, they were spot on
What on earth makes people think this is a desirable look? It’s grotesque. Like literally, in the classical art meaning, grotesque. Like living gargoyles. And many of them were actually beautiful before this butchery.
Same reason Michael Jackson looked the way he did. Mental illness.
Funny part about mental illness is, comorbidities are the norm, so they likely have other “atypical” neurological traits, like sociopathy.
It’s largely incidental.
Most cosmetic surgery isn’t permanent. They’re foreign objects in the body, so over time your body tries to break them down. Lip filler slowly diffuses around the bottom of your face, for example. Botox paralysing muscles affects strength and elasticity.
So it’s a cursed treadmill. You can’t stop getting surgery once you start. A single surgery will look worse than your unaltered face if you only have one, so every few years you have to get it again.
But… all the old stuff is still in there. The muscle damage accumulates. The filler accumulates. You might remove what you can as it gets moroe advanced, but many just ‘top-up’.
Either way, you are permanently altered. They don’t choose to look like this, they choose to make minor adjustments to look younger/hotter/etc that slowly turn them into this.
the botox prevents muscle movement, so the muscles atrophy and cause sagging so now they have to get more. anyone watches ISAIP, rob and kaitlyn went overboard on this too, now even thier hardcore fans are clowning how fake they are.
I’m starting to think cosmetic surgery shouldn’t be allowed unless it’s for a medical purpose like restructuring someone’s face after being assaulted or something.
Purely cosmetic surgery seems like it’s simply immoral doctors preying on insecure women.
I think mandatory warnings and better transparency should be enough. It’s none of our business if someone wants to change their appearance, given that they’re fully aware of the consequences.
And in this political climate, the government would deem transition surgeries to be “cosmetic” and “medically unnecessary”.
The same can be said for tattoos and piercings.
A lot of the technical advancements in plastic surgery came about during and after WWI because of all the facial reconstruction of horribly wounded soldiers that had to be done. In that context, of course, it’s a great thing, but it’s a horror what it’s turned into.
Eh…I’d want a lot more effort spent to ensure patients are given 100% accurate, fully informed information re: outcomes and upkeep, and give consent only after seriously weighing that, but I dunno about banning purely cosmetic surgery.
A) I like the idea that humans have the freedom to modify their own bodies in whatever ways they see fit, so long as they accept the risks and realistic outcomes, and B) Banning would just create more underground practices, which is particularly bad for patient safety.
and give consent only after
…being deemed mentally stable.
Most cosmetic surgery isn’t permanent.
These big changes often are, though. You may regret it and get it removed, but you’re going to age far worse in any case.
There’s a whole movement right now of these people getting their surgery reversed, but in many cases the long-term damage has been done and you will age worse than if you hadn’t done it. You have scar tissue that will age differently, no matter how minor and no matter what you do.
It’s really sad, because these people are making themselves look worse now and they’ll also age worse, and they’ll likely hate that, then spend thousands more in that cycle, like you said.
As in, the desired results arent permanent. I’ll edit to rephrase.
Yet the big changes typically aren’t the cosmetic surgery, they’re the damage. Either literally, or an attempt to treat it.
They might remove some cheek fat, but even that is them trying to catch up: because degraded filler makes their face look puffy and their lips ill-defined.
The filler is spread put around their cells regardless. It is impossible to remove. As is any muscular damage from long-term paralysis.
And yes, agreed. Reconstructive plastic surgery has lower risk, but when it comes to soft tissue cosmetic surgery, the only winning move is not to play.
I wish there were laws against this quackery, because it’s literally unscrupulous ‘doctors’ taking advantage of women who have been conditioned to believe they’re inferior, and especially by these doctors.
‘You could be pretty if’ [you lifted your cheeks, sculpted your nose, etc]. You’re like 90% there! [Draws lines on face in sharpie, so they’ll be there for 2 days, reminding you of everything he said was wrong every time you look in a mirror]. Just this quick thing and you’ll be perfect!
It’s abominable and should mean revocation of their licence to practice.
Gender affirming surgery laws?
You’re clearly not serious.
No. Quite obviously, because even you can see how intent, plus many more indicators, matters.
Try writing that law.
i feel like the movement is very niche and limited to rich people
I’ve known a number of people at the bottom end of the economic spectrum who have gone in for shit like this. This is what they save up for and spend their money on, at the expense of having a house and a viable retirement and taking care of their children etc. etc.
Unfortunately, you can find back-alley fillers and implants for cheap if you know where to look.
This is one of those “I’m explaining, not justifying” moments. Having said that: I think these threads give us a skewed view of the whole situation, leading to a completely unresolvable “whyyy???” Reaction.
The thing that made these people do something was probably some typical aging flaw like wrinkles or sagging skin. We don’t see that in the photos.
What we do see in the photos is:
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a “before” photo that’s probably 10-15 years old, showing the person when they were young. We think “what was wrong with that???” But you have to age them 15 years to answer that question.
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an “after” photo that’s as unflattering as possible. We all know that from one photo to the next, a person can look more or less photogenic depending on lighting, their expression, etc. Photos in a post like this are hyperselected for unattractiveness, especially of their surgery.
I believe in aging realistically but I’m also a man and my career isn’t bound up in the entertainment industry where my appearance is literally everything.
So given all this, I can still have a distaste for cosmetic surgery and shake my head at people doing it, but I don’t QUITE have total bewilderment over why WHY WWWHHHYYY??? because I can mainly see how the post is manipulated to produce that reaction, and I opt out of that manipulation.
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This is all my own opinion and observations. Feel free to disagree:
Rich people are like all of us. They constantly feel this absence that they can’t quite fill with material things, no matter how hard they try. They just have a lot of money to try more and more of those things. It’s like compulsive gambling. The next spin will be the jackpot, I just know it!
The problem is they have too much money and don’t know when/how to enjoy what they already have. Eventually, the dopamine they get from new and shinny things wears thin and they need to find more or something new to get it again.
Why do you think their current objectives are aimed at dismantling society and regression to earlier eras? They’ve gotten to a point where nothing makes them happy so they think society is the reason. They also want regression because many of them have fond memories of their childhood and associate the time period with those pleasant feelings.
Unfortunately, the problem is in their head. We’re all just along for the ride. Even if they are successful at tearing down society, and even if they somehow come out of that time on top, it won’t last. Then they’ll die having destroyed the planet and countless lives chasing a fictitious world comprised entirely of a fleeting hormone in their brain.
People on their deathbeds often cite similar regrets of focusing on shit that doesn’t matter, while letting the things that do matter wither away. It’s why I don’t like to participate in a lot of the same things, at 40, that my peers do, and why I never have. I enjoy the journey and don’t feel there was ever a destination. It’s why the attitudes of some with power upset me. I don’t want to be a part or their sickness, yet like most of you, I have no choice.
I hate it here.
To be fair, there are people who get things done and you’d only know with a before and after. But when it goes wrong or gone too far, it’s awful. There are plenty of success stories that are invisible to the average person in passing
I think that’s kind of their point. It’s done so well so often, why do these people always get the ugly stick version? They can’t all be using the same (bad) surgeon.
Yes, this. I’ve seen some absolutely fantastic work, especially in rebuilding faces that have been damaged. It’s like some quacks have license to do their worst, and in an Emperor’s New Clothes situation, nobody wants to say how godawful their work is. Perhaps it’s the sunk cost fallacy, but someone does this and we’re not supposed to call it out as butchery for whatever reason, then it multiplies.
I’m not sure the doctors know. They see so much that it’s beginning to look normal to them.
I mean…
Come on.
she looks like the saw puppet
I saw a doctor reality show for these procedures once, they didn’t seem to know.
They make stupid amounts of money you’ll never see to ‘not know’.
Do you really think they don’t know, when that’s their whole job?
No, they’re lying to you.
I think it’s just taking it too far.
That, and chasing a certain ‘aesthetic’ the ultra wealthy like I guess (giant lips in particular).
giant lips in particular
This is what I don’t understand about it. There’s a good way to do that. DSL are a thing, but these examples are just bad plastic surgery.
I think it’s a style, uh, very rich people like? Go look up Lauren Sanchez (Jeff Bezos’s new wife), or the top luxury influencers on Instagram.
she look more like lizard with a permanent sfixed smile.
That’s the thing – this ‘aesthetic’ they’re chasing is the ugly stick version, and I strongly feel it’s because nobody in their bubble are willing to tell them they look like fucking homunculi. They pay people to tell them they’re gorgeous no matter what.
Actually I think there’s a lot of awareness?
I interacted with a lot of, uh, private school moms growing up, and breast implants (even when they were impractical or bad looking) were definitely a social expectation. There was some plastic surgery too. Many were aware, but it’s like a ticket for entry.
These people are way above that level (including Laura Loomer who is a mega rich celebrity), so I bet it’s just more extreme.
I was the kid of one of those moms in the late seventies. I think ‘awareness’ was very relative.
I think you’re right, anyhow.
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I’ve read this. Getting heavy work done shows how rich you are. Who wants plastic surgery that you have to tell people you had and how much disposable income you spent on it?
If you have a lot of money you can get a lot of plastic surgery
It’s just like buying a big house or a bunch of expensive cars or a private trip to child rapist island: a status symbol
Sure, but one would think you’d want to look good, not like an Easter Island head.
Not really. Then you just look like a poor. This way people know you’re rich.
As an historic example, consider artificial cranial deformation
Maybe it’s the fact that I am basically a couple generations removed from my kin being old money, but I think I’d rather just have a pair of pearl handled navy revolvers on the mantle instead. Combine that with tailored clothes and a butcher on call, maybe have a personal shooting range with access to what is effectively a personal hunting reserve.
That’s actual old money, building sometime that lasts. These people are new money and are flashy with it instead of buying appreciating assets
I don’t have an issue with what people do with their own bodies. But I do have an issue with them being fucking scum.
I appreciate them going to the trouble of making their appearance better match their ghoulish personalities.
The men too, they all look like a vampire or they’re smelling shit.
Stephen Miller looks like a racist Sheldon Cooper in that Federation uniform.
It’s oddly appropriate to see Miller dressed as a Trekkie and looking mighty unhappy about that fact. I can’t decide whether it’s because he’s cosplaying a “filthy space commie”, because he’s expected to act as a decent older role model or it’s because his resting bitch-face just is like that, but hey… It’s not like any of those explanations are mutually exclusive.
I hereby nominate Emil Bove for top Nosferatu clone in the current US federal government
Can’t believe that cocksucker got a permanent appointment on appeals when he said that Trump should tell judges to fuck off
Tie?
Stephen Miller has that smelling shit thing going on in this pic too.
it’s probably both lol
Lol fucking Miller dressed up in trek uniforms, then says “why would we have diversity?”
That’s the sad part. He’s probably one of those idiots crying “why did Star Trek go woke‽”…like, news flash.
Sadly it’s not that surprising.
On a superficial level, what you have is a military vessel captained by a white human male that goes around saving the poor savage primitive and less enlightened cultures. The captain even basically does whatever he wants, and any force he uses is accepted, if not outright lauded. That’s basically everything white nationalists dream of.
And it doesn’t help that some of the aggressor cultures like the Klingons have darker skin and are shown (again, from a superficial viewpoint) as unreasonably violent with a culture that espouses it.
Remember, these are the same geniuses that think Starship Troopers wasn’t a biting parody and that Rage Against The Machine was espousing far right ideals. Media literacy and paying attention to anything more than superficial stuff is not really their forte.
I legit had a conversation with a MAGA who was telling me the Star Trek universe was awesome and we should try to do that, and when I pointed out it was literally space communism he visibly bluescreened. I wish I’d recorded it.
It’s also one of the “wokest” shows to ever exist as well. The first TV interracial kiss was on Star Trek.
That Loomer lady sure did herself dirty.
I mean, they all did.
Guilfoyle didn’t do herself any favors either.
She had a genuinely pretty face.
“Temu Jigsaw” is what I’ve heard her called. Apropos
First thought. This is just to butter up to jigsaw.
If you really want to be surprised, she’s only like 32 years old.
She looks 50+.
I’M SORRY WHAT??!!!
Born in 1993. What the actual fuck? Guess hate makes you ugly.
Holy fuck. These photos must be like 2 years apart. They look 20 years apart.
Damn.
She was legitimately gorgeous, and now 😔
They want their outside to match their inside, Fuck ugly.
They actually look human in the before pics. Glad to know they got adjustments to make it obvious that’s not the case.
Finally the flesh begins to represent the insanity within!
Skeletor!!!
It’s who you surround yourself with. They want to fit in
“Hello, I want to play a game”
Steal his look
body shaming is pretty shitty behavior, maybe don’t sink to their level
if anything point out the hypocrisy of them endorsing gender affirming elective surgery but denying it to others based on arbitrary criteria usually based in religious and antiscientific beliefs
But being like “hurr look at how fucking ugly this plastic faced woman is” is just as misogynistic as when right wing media plasters a bunch of pictures of alt women and rag on their appearance or tears apart images of trans women.
Nobody is shaming the bodies they were born with, but when you deliberately carve, stitch and inflate your face into something that would make any child spontaneously scream in abject fear and break down in tears of terror, you can’t reasonably expect it to pass unremarked upon.
It doesn’t have anything to do with gender either. It’s no different when men do the same.
Literal anti trans rhetoric if you delivered it slightly differently
Like jump on kiwi farms and your post would fit right in word for word in any of the trans hate threads. You are right there with their vitriol, you just change the target.
…Are you serious?
100%. Here is a game, pick your hateful vitriol out from random quotes I literally just pulled from kiwi farms just now, only changing to censure the names of victims and outright slurs
“when you deliberately carve, stitch and inflate your face into something that would make any child spontaneously scream in abject fear and break down in tears of terror, you can’t reasonably expect it to pass unremarked upon.”
“Seriously, that surgery made [x] look like he belonged in an extraterrestrial lock up somewhere for study.”
“Back in February of this year, [x] was feelin’ her oats something fierce when she posted body shots of her horrible, horrible body. Now because we’ve moved too far from God’s light, she’s really serving the “rot” in rotdog, and you’re all going to have to look at it with me”
“After thousands of dollars and hours of surgery, a [slur] is finally satisfied with her physique… for now. To anybody normal, however, it truly displays just how limited modern medicine still is, because she has the kind of dumpy, stitched-up body of a mother who gave birth to twins via C-Section in the 1970s.”
Tell me how yours is different. Honestly. Aside from the fact that the person you’re targeting is a mean bully
Be better
nothing in that comment sounded anti-trans at all.
In principle, I agree.
…But I think many people are sick of playing ‘fair’ while schoolyard bully insults of trans women (for instance) rake in millions of dollars and tons of ratings.
In the larger social media landscape? Principles don’t work. Algorithms are just going to suppress being polite.
I say spit fire back. If being a shithead is all that trends, mind as well make the enablers miserable. And hopefully the whole ragebait system falls apart, soon…
“I hope the ragebait system falls apart while I perpetuate it”
Fair enough.
I guess we should draw the line on Lemmy at least.
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Hate the post all you want but classic neolib behavior. “You’re my friend when you’re on my team but then when you’re against me the internalized homophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, fatphobia, etc I’ve been suppressing will come right out and I’ll go right back to call of duty lobby language”
Be better
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“It’s okay when I do it you see”
My horse is extremely low. Call them a piece of shit if you want. Call them transphobic monsters, call them callous enablers of genocide, etc
But if you engage in body shaming because you don’t agree with them, or if you mock their ethnicity, gender, orientation, etc I assume you are no better than them. You are ultimately just waiting to take the mask off to reveal your phobic behavior and inner bully
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Hate spreads hate
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Counterpoint: nah, fuck them
One of those Lemmy moments when you’re getting downvoted for pointing out the uncomfortable truth.
Trans ppl modify their bodies -> body positivity Some terrible people modify their bodies -> they are ugly and mentally ill
*slow clap*
