Windows 11 has given me no issues whatsoever. I’m not apologizing for having a great experience.
I swapped to linux a while back. The compatibility just isnt there yet unfortunately. Theres too many annoying roadblocks
Have you heard the good word? Linus is our Lord and Savior. I use arch BTW.
He does act like he is from time to time. And he’s even been doing to pull off the occasional miracle.
Gaben is the fourth Messiah given us by God himself. I use Steam OS which is based on Arch btw.
i have prayed to gaben to allow steam to close when i close it for many years, but it is still not yet possible. when will you answer my prayers, oh mighty gaben?
Have fun with your surveillance capitalism
Instead of being condescending, you might help people solve the problems that keep them from switching. Or just stay quiet. Whatever you prefer. This elitist attitude is one of the reasons why some people won’t even try Linux because they fear they will be ridiculed as soon as they need to ask for help.
I am friendly and will help you switch to Linux 🙂
The op is calling Linux users worst than Mormons but “enjoy your spyware” is elitist? This isn’t someone asking for help, it’s a shitpost.
Have you seen how some Linux users treat people who don’t use exactly what they think is the hottest shit? Even towards people who use as much FOSS as they can but still need some proprietary stuff for certain use cases because FOSS alternatives are not quite there yet. It’s annoying as hell and comes up in every single discussion that vaguely fits the topic. I would say the comparison to Mormons is not that far off.
I genuinely hope you have a great time with corporate privacy invasions. I couldn’t think of a better way to leak your personal information to the world.
I really do mean that.
I’m all for moving as many people away from closed systems as possible. But tribalism and victim blaming achieves the exact opposite. Why would anyone move to something where the community makes them feel unwelcome from the start?
If we want people to use Linux, we have to be patient and help them overcome their pain points, not go “haha you dumb”.
This elitist attitude is one of the reasons why some people won’t even try Linux because they fear they will be ridiculed as soon as they need to ask for help.
This feels like a fantasy you made up in your head. It’s not like you even need to ask anyone for help anyway. All the documentation is out there for almost anything you wanna do on Linux. There is nothing elite about it. Unless you use arch btw.
There is nothing “elite” about Linux anymore, it’s an extremely accessible option and easier than windows in several ways. It’s not the 90s. I recently had to install windows on a separate SSD and I was shocked to find I had to manually find and install nearly every single driver. Like wtf, bazzite and Linux Mint does that shit for you
Xfinity uses WiFi signal as a motion sensor in their security package. You can’t escape the surveillance.
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don’t use it then?
Who said I use it?
That’s a very shortsighted response.
if you don’t use it why are you telling me you can’t escape it, and its no use getting rid of spyware?
If they can do that, what else do you think they can do and aren’t telling you? You are such a skeptic and yet you think they are just going to tell you everything they do?
A fools stance. You least of all cannot escape this,
you are inventing things you don’t know exist to justify your own inaction about it. if you don’t want to use linux you can just say so.
I don’t care about Linux. I don’t care about Windows. I’m not one of the internet idiots who always thinks there is a side to be chosen. I do, however, “google before tweet”.
Then I guess we better not try and fight it then, right? If we can’t escape it, why not just roll over and present ourselves?
A fools stance.
Yep cuz if it wasnt for the computer I use mainly to play video games there would be no more surveillance capitalism left in my life.
I went down the privacy rabbit hole, and I think it was bad for my mental health. I decided I don’t care, and what I really want is for technology to just not influence my decisions (e.g. ads influencing my purchasing decisions). Beyond that, I don’t care.I mean I do care, but it’s overwhelming and ultimately the toll it takes on me isn’t worth it.
Graphene OS on your phone? Or a dumb phone?
No internet connected TV device?
Modern cars also have an embedded sim card that’s reporting back data.
Any other “smart devices” in the house?
It’s possible, but difficult to avoid surveillance capitalism… Teach me how.
Yup, graphene.
Nope, got a 2007ish 1080p lcd and a roku that’s never seen the internet. And one of those tiny CRT guys with the VCR built in, not bragging.
2002, no sim in mine.
Nope, purposefully avoid “smart.” It’s in fact the exact opposite of what it says and is an attack vector, as IoT garbage is never secure.
Still not 100% free since I use “any website,” but doing the best I can and don’t need to add “one of the most malevolent players in that game” to own my PC, I’ll own it myself thank you.
I think you got wooshed
Shit, I thought I found a messiah who would teach me the ways.
Damn, maybe I was the wooshed all along
Use whatever makes you happy and matches your needs. Ignore the haters.
I use arch btw. And Ubuntu. And Windows. And an iPhone. Does it matter?
For your needs: yes, it matters
It kind of does? Monopolies wouldn’t have us by the balls if people didn’t buy their shit.
At this point, it’s not even a matter of practicality, it’s one of morality IMO. You shouldn’t be giving spyware control over your machine and making the world just that much more controlled by billionaires. Most people don’t even think about it, which makes it a gray area, but you? You’ve considered this issue at length, apparently. That’s a stupid and awful thing for someone who’s given thought to which OS they should use to do.
I never tell people to switch to anything from their current OS. I only recommend them to use things when they express discomfort or say they’re fed up with their current OS. That’s the time to strike. If you tell people to switch from something they’re fine with… Nah. Going nowhere with that.
Precisely this, but I find people get fed up with their operating system quite often, so in fact, I tell people that linux would solve that problem, quite often…
And they still don’t want to hear it. They don’t want to know they can abandon their shackles and control their own destiny at any time they wish, they’re too busy asking the people who shackled them “pretty please” to notice their friends escaping on our own. And evidentially being mad at those who escaped themselves for offering to show them how, according to this post.
You got all of that from the image in this post?
No, from life.
Very much not the experience I have.
Maybe it’s in the way you approach/talk to them? 🙃
This is my approach with veganism in an individual interpersonal context.
Doesn’t mean we still can’t advocate for our positions though in general contexts.
Yeah because Windows turned you all into tech-iliterate people and Linux is a good start into learning how to properly use a computer. Recently a Coworker approached me because she needed to move every photo from one folder to another and she has been dragging and dropping them all day but its just to many. While technically some Windows people know its possible with Windows cmd in a one-liner, most if not all Linux users will know the command in a heartbeat.
There is exactly one OS that improves the skills of its users just by using it.
Maybe if Windows and Mac users wont act like a bug stuck on its back once they encounter the slightest hint of a problem and start bothering the Linux guy with it, the Linux guy would be less condescending on their OS choice.
100% people have gotten so dumb. They dont even know what a file explorer is.
Recently a Coworker approached me because she needed to move every photo from one folder to another and she has been dragging and dropping them all day but its just to many. While technically some Windows people know its possible with Windows cmd in a one-liner, most if not all Linux users will know the command in a heartbeat.
Uhh…I’m a linux evangelist, but is that command “ctrl+a, cut, ctrl+v in new folder?” Why would you need anything else if they’re all going from one folder to another, short of lacking a GUI entirely? Hell, move the whole folder to the new desired path, rename it to whatever the new folder would be named, bam new folder?
Agreed, however I think in most cases it’s more than just tech illiteracy, I think it’s actual illiteracy, or atleast an aversion to reading.
From my exexperience, the way the average windows user reacts to an unexpected error message is with rage and frustration while also not attempting to understand the message. Although it can be hard since windows error messages are usually terrible. I think microsoft knows this and that’s why newer windows errors look like this:
The average Linux user will read the error and research it to resolve it themselves. But it’s a lot easier when the error message is actually meaningful and the community documents issues and answers questions honestly. Although again, it all hinges on the ability to read.
Right? I understand Windows is mass surveillance spyware, but holy shit the Linux proselytizing on this site is worse than any Christian mission, it’s straight up ridiculous. If anything, all the constant nagging will further entrench some users into Windows out of spite.
You use a site populated by tech savvy nerds (I mean that in a good way), what did you expect? Weird thing to complain about. It comes with the territory.
Lol
“I know this shit is poison, but damn all the people telling me not do drink poison just make me want to drink poison harder”
My problem with Linux, that is getting better, is that it has largely catered to power users. Simply put most users either aren’t, or don’t care to be, tech savvy. And that is fine actually, because that means they have other things they are interested in and care more for.
Things like SteamOS are catering more towards casual users with a bunch of built in compatibility features that means games work like they do on windows. Making it easier for casual users to make the jump. Now rather than having to know you need 57 compatibility layers (This is exaggeration for effect, yes I have to point this out because I have had some people get pissy at me for doing this) to get things to work like they should they are all neatly bundled together and you have Valve’s promise that they will work here.
Because of the SteamDeck many people were introduced into the world of Linux. Without many of them even realizing that they were using it at first. Add on the fact that it just works for the games people actually want to play and you have a good shot at tackling Windows.
I’m sorry to power users but you just don’t decide what the market cares about really. It’s the casual users, there is just so many more of them that they get to decide what operating systems are supported.
Linux has massively been dumbed down to allow people like you to use it. Which was a mistake. It was never meant for gamers or people eating their crayons. The fact that some toy vendor decided to build their vending machines on it has nothing to with Linux or its prinary user base. So stop complaining that not everybody is as lazy and as willfully ignorant as you. You’re tolerated but not welcome. I hope this is an adequate reply to this thread’s title and OP.
Ai, today Im discussing ai and its benefits as well as its ability to collect data in real time! Today, we’ll see if you can manipulate a web crawler, mess the data set, and then mess with the ai! Fun fun fun. ,'bxxbvvbnnncb…,
Have you heard the good word? Linus is our Lord and Savior. I use arch BTW.
Have you heard the good word? Linus is our Lord and Savior. I use arch BTW.
Have you heard the good word? Linus is our Lord and Savior. I use arch BTW.
UGH
apicall create <stuff>
And then just insert the stuff, what don’t you get?? 😩
Then you obviously know nothing about Mormons.
The church covers up sexual abuse on a routine basis.
Mormonism is inherently homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic, and emotionally abusive.
I get that you’re probably just focusing on the aspect of their proselytizing but their end goal is nefarious and oppressive.
but their end goal is nefarious and oppressive.
Ironic that Linux is closer on proselytizing, but windows is the one with the nefarious and oppressive objectives.
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At this point, it’s not a race to get people to Linux, but rather a race to get people off Windows and MacOS, which is almost the same thing practically.
We really don’t want them to have it their way, as it’s detrimental to digital freedom.
These people begging to fix your computer for you… Are they in the room with us right now?
Are you blind? Yes, they are all over the place.
I only recently decided to switch. The biggest reason for me was setting up Windows 11 on other people’s laptops and seeing just how hard Microsoft pushes you to make an account, as well as the occasional ads I’ve seen. So with Windows 10’s end of life, I decided I don’t want to put up with that BS anymore. I still have Win10 as a back up if I need it for anything.
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I already have an MS account from owning an Xbox and playing Minecraft, no big deal.
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I haven’t seen a single ad in the eight months or so I’ve had Win 11.
It took about five minutes after initial setup to customize everything the way it used to be. Nothing about this OS has been worth complaining about.
Personal experience > what the Internet says
Windows users complaining every time someone says they like Linux
Ok, so if you want to use Windows 11, you do you. Whatever. But don’t try to slide lies past us. I use Windows 11 for work, and I see ads All. The. Time. Ads for OneDrive in the file manager, ads for 1Password and Opera in the start menu. When I try to install Firefox or Brave, I get ads for Edge (and again every time Edge updates). I get more nags to sign up for Microsoft 365 than I can even remember. I get ads in the notification tray. I get ads for terrible free-to-play games in the search results page. I get ads for Game Pass on the lock screen.
And yes, I’ve turned off all the settings. Somehow they always manage to get turned back on whenever Windows updates. I have to have it basically stock for dev testing, so I can’t do any registry tweaks or uninstall any updates to get rid of them.
So use the OS if you want, and use a Microsoft account if you really want your usage data to get slurped up by whatever the next thing is (I think it’s “Recall” this time). But don’t tell us that the snarling mouth in the corner of the room licking its lips isn’t there.
Not lying, actually having a fine time with it. Don’t know why you think I’d be lying, there’s nothing for me to gain from it.
I’m sorry if I shattered your perfect little illusion, but none of that stuff you mentioned is there now. Cope.
“I don’t care about them” is a far cry from “they aren’t there.” And they are, I was literally clicking around a current, fully-updated Windows 11 machine while I wrote that comment about the things I was seeing on the screen.
Don’t know why you think I’d be lying, there’s nothing for me to gain from it.
Some people (you, apparently) need others to validate their choices.
I think you have a different definition of advertisement than the rest of us.
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