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Gotta unite the base that was fractured over the Epstein files
The funny thing is you can rotate things around “right” -> “left” and it will still be valid
Lemmy can’t stop bitching about right, it’s honestly funny
Nice examples provided to illustrate your point.
That’s not what happened though, is it? Where and when did this situation you are alluding to happen?
oh sure, I’m not talking about this case obviously
I was thinking about things like epstein files not being made public and left accusing right, and right accusing left
Mass surveillance, facism, war… that happened under obama now happens with trump
Don’t have examples on left blaming right when it happens though, I was mainly saying that each side will blame the other for things they have done too, but obviously I missed the point of this post because that’s clearly not it. I also believe I wanted to say that one side is quick to accuse the other without real evidence, and assumes that the other one is responsible when it’s not that simple.
after re-reading my comment I feel dumb, I’ll strike the text. Sorry.
Yeah, but why is this in shitpost, though.
It’s a Midas shitpost.
Shit Reality, Shit Post
I’m open to suggestion!
Microblog posts? !micro@reddthat.com
Agreed!
Thanks for next time!
Political memes? https://lemmy.ca/c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
I often post there, but this isn’t a ‘meme’.
Here’s the recreation:LOL. I totally didn’t realize I commented on your meme, before commenting on your shit post. HUGS. So, yeah, looks like you already got all the bases covered.
I was looping the same way.
cheers,
It’s not and should be reposted elsewhere
Is this actually true? There’s too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.
(Please, nobody respond to this comment telling me “that’s exactly what they want” without providing a credible source for your claims about the shooter.)
Earlier in the briefing, Gray said investigators had spoken to Robinson’s mother, who said her son had, over the last year “become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights-oriented”.
He disclosed that the exchange with the roommate then began to explore a motive.
“Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah."’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it,’” Gray said.
I think the motivation is pretty clear at this point. Not sure how this post got 1k+ likes and no one seem to give credible source.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecutor-utah
My sentiment is the same.
To be blunt, Lemmy is a terrible place to ask.
I will point out one thing that should be obvious, the shooter was only 22. So it’s possible he doesn’t have a very baked and stable political ideology. I knew a hard core outwardly homophobic conservative at 17 who came out as gay and did theater by 20. I knew a fairly liberal person when she was about 18 that over the years got to a place where she publicly praised Trump and called COVID a hoax and the vaccine a conspiracy. No idea how that happened, even as I saw it first hand.
Given the situation, it is at least clear he was unhinged if he would get to this point, either way. I would have hoped this would be a lesson for people that people get dangerously moved by angry rhetoric, but a lot of folks are ramping up rhetoric instead.
A very fair point indeed
I heard there is video of him using a megaphone to debate Charlie at some point. I do not know where to verify this. I will be looking into it later.
Is it this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncUo1Pnqio
Close enough to double take, but I don’t think its the person they caught.
Kirk’s job was literally to argue like this though, so it might be somewhere else.
I wouldn’t trust anyone describing his political leanings or motives until court. It’s being twisted around and rumors are spreading like wildfire in a vacuum of actual leadership.
I’d even say all indications are that his leanings don’t matter in the specifics of this event.
It’s probably more informative that folks can credibly have theories for either leaning to lead to this event. Lots of reasons that could believably drive any political leaning over the edge if they are close.
His trail’s probably a long way away, isn’t it?
That’s a good question. I honestly don’t know, they’ll probably try to hang him on primetime tv as soon as legally possible.
I just keep hearing about discord and 4chan and how he’s got a trans roommate/girlfriend/landlord. If anyone has any reputable sources I’m interested. I just feel like cable news, the Trump admin, and the Internet are all reporting 24/7 on something they need to investigate.
At least people face consequences for lying under oath. Well in theory.
We don’t have confirmation on all of his motives yet; however what we do know about the shooter, his upbringing, lifestyle, etc. is that the poster responding to OP in the image above is largely correct.
There are indeed conflicting accounts that his roommate was trans, or his partner was, or similar. None of that’s been verified yet, and even if so, it doesn’t explain the shooter’s motivations.
What we do know about the shooter is that he largely fits the model of a deeply conservative republican, and that fits with how he was raised, his family, and as his grandmother puts it: “Their family was all MAGA”.
Going off that, and a lot of other circumstantial details/evidence, it’s clear that he was at one point a deeply MAGA character.
Beyond that or what his current motivations are? We can only extrapolate. Those extrapolations largely lead in the direction that he shot Kirk because Kirk didn’t back some of the same extremist beliefs he held. Those beliefs are similar to what Nick Fuentes believes in, which is also why he’s currently being labeled a Gyroper.
I feel like we have a pretty definitive understanding of his motivations. This is directly from Tyler when discussing why he did it, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” Where is the ambiguity in this?
According to some right-wing spaces (r/conservative on Reddit), there is apparently evidence to suggest that the shooter was an outlier within their otherwise hard-right family.
Is there any evidence to the contrary?
Nobody has direct evidence of the shooter’s motivations or political affiliation today. Nobody.
That could change, but today this is true.
Any evidence we have is circumstantial. Most of that circumstantial evidence points in the direction of an extreme right winger.
I’m sure there’s some circumstantial evidence pointing in the opposite direction, but it pales in comparison to the circumstantial evidence pointing in the far right direction.
Much of the circumstantial evidence pointing away from the far right came from a mis-attribution from the FBI to a trans rights marker that was debunked as categorically untrue. Or statements from the Utah Gov which are (AFAIK) not backed up by any actual evidence other than how he “wishes” it was. Or from Trump who is known for lying and making things up.
I’d be curious what evidence they have that hasn’t been announced/released yet that makes them think that.
I suspect they want it to be true that he was left leaning and they may be assigning too great a weight on the debunked FBI claims, the Utah Gov claims, and Trump’s claims; despite most of the circumstantial evidence that’s been released so far pointing in the direction of him being far right.
To be clear, this could change later today if the investigators were to release evidence about the shooter’s motivations. Until then, all we’ve got to go on is what circumstantial stuff has been released so far, and that’s largely pointing in the direction of the far right.
Hi, I’m here to remind you that this is utterly delusional and even reddit mods are about to get real quiet how this “he was right wing” fabrication.
Nobody has direct evidence of the shooter’s motivations or political affiliation today. Nobody.
From the texts between him and his roomate that have been publicly released. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecutor-utah
“Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah.“’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”
So, we have his direct statement to his transwoman roommate as to his motive, either you can take that at face value or claim it’s some carefully crafted lie intentionally meant to deceive us as to his real motives. You do you.
“He’s talking about hatred towards the Right, not the Left”
-Lemmy communist attempting to cope
According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.
You can bake cookies twice a week for years and nobody calls you a baker.
But you have sex with ONE HORSE…
Fair enough, but I think we shouldn’t be basing our inferences about the shooter from his family’s political leanings. My feeling is that somebody who does something so drastic is likely enough to be an outlier from their family that we can’t really know one way or the other.
A big reason why that’s important, as long as it’s done with care, is because conservatives rely on the rhetoric that purely white, conservative communities would be without crime. This kid grew up in a prime setting to show how amazing their way of life is without any “evil leftist” influences and yet here we are. The US has been given every opportunity to show how great theocratic conservative capitalism is and yet it keeps failing because the reality is that it fucking sucks rocks.
if he’s a leftist, then of course he had “evil leftist” influences. The internet exists.
The politicians just want to continue spreading fear no matter the side imo. I hate how they want to argue instead of trying to unify us (which is what they seem scared to do cuz a unified nation will turn against them)
The oligarchs want that, and the oligarchs have many politicians in their pocket I presume. However, it’s not like non-corrupt non-bought politicians have any reason to be afraid of a unified nation – they’re in politics to effect change in the first place.
Ik just feels like they don’t care. Overall I just hate all this in fighting makes it hard to get stuff done when you point fingers and shit
yeah, I agree. But like, pointing fingers at “politicians” broadly speaking is still just pointing fingers.
Yeahhhhh explaining stuff isn’t my specialty I always end up explaining things wrong lol it’s a bad habit
That is utter bullshit. The right is wanting to go door to door and kill democrats and keep saying this is war. The left is saying we dont condone this kind of abhorrent behavior. They are NOT the same at all.
KILL
Pardon my ignorance but is this actually banned on some dumbass platform?
“Right wing” still isn’t specific enough, as that also includes democrats.
Just to be clear, he was obviously part of the same way of left wing thinking that holds the following opinions:
Which of those opinions do you take issue with?
I don’t see why either side is trying to disown the dude. He turned himself in. That’s so brave, and the right thing to do regardless of affiliation.
I now know way more about this than I wish I knew.
So many of these Charlie Kirk AI generated TikTok videos popping up everywhere have to shoehorn some amount of “We hate Greta Thunberg” into them. I’m beginning to suspect these people aren’t actually sad that Kirk is dead. They’re sad that Greta Thunberg is doing something infinitely more dangerous and more inspiring, yet she managed to outlive him.
What you’re describing is clearly foreign propaganda.
A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink
“I have to admit, I’m always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up,” the CIA agent says.
“Thank you,” the KGB says. “We do our best but truly, it’s nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them.”
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. “Thank you friend, but you must be confused… There’s no propaganda in America.”
Love it!
Funny thing I was thinking on the drive to camp:
We had 3 TV stations, 3 sources of the nightly news. (Nightly news for national and world news, local paper for local news.)
The talking heads always said the same things. Sounds like state propaganda, doesn’t it? But the reality was that none of them wanted to show even a whiff of bias. The #1 metric of who one watched for their news was trust. Like Cronkite or Rather? Who do you trust? Bias was verboten, propaganda. LOL, after Watergate, journalists hunted politicians for sport.
Al Jazeera America started with the promise to report “just the facts ma’am”. Now I don’t know shit about their worldwide operations, I only saw the American version, and I was horrified. I realized I was so brainwashed on news-as-entertainment that reading their version was like watching grass grow. Hadn’t seen news reported as straight facts in so long I was bored shitless.
I have some experience. Edited my high school paper, not like that’s a big deal, but I had some solid journalistic training. Same in college. I can point to bias in any given article you care to show me. Not Al Jazeera, nada, no bias.
Predictably, they gave up within a year.
His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he “Had enough of Kirks hatred” in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.
How is any of this right wing?
Can we get a link from The associate press or Reuters and not a British tabloid.
Is the BBC good enough? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
Parents said their son became more political
While authorities say Robinson hasn’t been cooperating with investigators, they say his family and friends have been talking.
Robinson’s mother told investigators that their son had turned left politically in the last year and became more supportive of gay and transgender rights after dating someone who is transgender, Gray said.
Those decisions prompted several conversations in the household, especially between Robinson and his father. They had different political views and Robinson told his partner in a text that his dad had become a “diehard MAGA” since Trump was elected.
Mason added that the family’s views “differed quite significantly,” and the conversations were at times controversial between parents and son.
Thank you.
You can actually. I suggest using this website: www.google.com
To a Nazi, anything less than pure, unadulterated Nazism is “left-leaning”.
You could be characterized the same way.
No, not really, I mean some tankies out there are like that, but then again if your logic is on the level of tankies you’re most likely wrong. A right wing shooter killed Kirk, that’s just a fact.
that’s just a fact
Should be easy for you to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt right now then.
Being pro-gay and protrans doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re not right-wing. It just means you don’t share the commonly held out groups. Unusual, yes, but a tell, not really.
If he was dropping some Marxist stuff, was interested in taxing the rich, or universal healthcare, then I would say he’s not right wing.
Deranged take, touch grass
Right back at you. Finger guns
So how do you know he’s right wing?
I don’t. I don’t really think the information points to a specific ideology at this point in time. I’d give the odds of them being conservative about 65%. He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state. Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.
Which hate comment are you talking about? I am not familiar, so this might change my opinion.
As for not being far right enough, that’s easy. The online and professional media have been playing the game of who can be more extreme for a while now. I believe there’s a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough. They would consider them traders, grifters, or not real conservatives.
He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state.
The origin story of many gay people or future political leftists.
Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.
Assertion. It’s like saying you can’t hate men unless you grow up in a society without them. People hate all kinds of people for all kinds of reason. This argument doesn’t work.
Which hate comment are you talking about?
He said Kirk was spreading hate.
I believe there’s a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough.
What you believe has nothing to do with what is true. There is no evidence that he thought Kirk wasnt extreme enough. In fact his hate comment indicates it could be the opposite. (e.g. that he saw Kirk as a Nazi that needed to be killed)
Holy poop you are coming on wrong and hard. I don’t know if the shooter conservative or not, but you desperately don’t want him to be. Probably because it would look bad for you if he was.
You’re not interested in the truth, just a narrative.
I’m challenging the certainty of this entire site. My personal opinion is that he is a broken product of a nihilistic culture. I also think that he hated Charlie because he thought Charlie hated gays even though he was a big tent conservative that was inclusive for all. What people don’t understand is that Kirk WAS the moderate conservative.
Kirk was definitionally a fascist.
As for what the shooter is, I’m sure time will tell. I don’t see a need to jump to conclusions on that yet.
~~Kirk was definitionally a fascist.
As for what the shooter is, I’m sure time will tell. I don’t see a need to jump to conclusions on that yet.~~
Edit: duplicate post due to lag. Please ignore
How is any of this right wing?
Plenty of trans people are right-wing Trumpers. Some of them are quite popular with plenty of videos on YouTube.
Hey, checking the facts isn’t welcome here!
So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.
No true scotsman. Being against ideas of the right and killing someone for espousing them ipso facto is left wing.
What is the difference between center-right, right and far right in your view?
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/15/groyper-charlie-kirk-nick-fuentes-tyler-robinson
Soon after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, some on the political left quickly spread a baseless theory that the conservative podcaster was killed by a follower of the ultra-right-wing group called Groypers.
Authorities told Axios they believe Robinson’s romantic relationship with his transgender roommate could be key to determining a motive for Kirk’s killing, and that Robinson believed that the conservative was spreading transphobic hate.
Robinson “wasn’t too fond of Trump or Charlie [Kirk],” a former coworker of his told CNN.
Reality check: As noted by Time Magazine, those who have covered Fuentes downplayed connections between Robinson and the movement.
I don’t think reality is welcome on Lemmy at this point.
Alex Jones got caught looking at trans porn, and he’s a right wing piece of shit. So what
Groypers, specifically, are no longer fond of Trump.
I wouldn’t say the Groyper is totally baseless, but “Robinson’s romantic relationship with his transgender roommate” is pretty telling.
Upvoted for citing reasonable source.
Personally, it doesn’t really matter much whether he was left or right since it’s very clear that right-wing extremist violence makes up the large majority of these incidents.
Cluster B’s never blame themselves.
You know there’s more to cluster b than just narcissism right?
Not everyone with a cluster b disorder is incapable of admitting fault.
Sure but you say cluster b because it never just narcissism.
No, no I don’t say that. Just like I don’t assume everyone with adhd is going to yell “squirrel” in the middle of a sentence.
It’s belittling and ableist to presume having a cluster b disorder precludes someone from being able to partake in acts of personal accountability.
I don’t know what you are talking about. I seem to hit a nerve. Narcs are the eternal victims. Always get verbal about it without really saying anything.
He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He’s less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.
But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he’s dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he’s gone. Silver linings n’all that 🤷
“Now, I would never advocate murder, but I’m super glad [public figure] is dead. I just wish a tree fell on them instead so it can’t be blamed on us.”
Don’t be surprised when you see this line coming back at you from the other side.
I’m glad he’s gone but this is just what the right needs to go full force Nazi as we have rightly known since it occurred.
They were going to do that anyway. And something like this was pretty much inevitable with the way Trump’s been running things. It’s all part of the plan.
We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.
But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.
Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.
What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.
Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a “fascist”. He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
Multiple people know him as from a. Rightwing family, he was photographed in MAGA gear, and plenty of MAGA are secretly gay.
None of what you’ve said is even minutely comparable to the Lin tian of evidence that says he’s a rightwing abused child from a MAGA family.
The article has screenshots.
Yes, and the voter registration is for a Tyler Robinson, not a Tyler James Robinson.
The Snopes fact check has a screenshot of the registration of Tyler James Robinson.
Fair enough.
Does that make the shooter a leftist?
cis guy dating a trans woman is not “gay”. he may himself identify as queer or bisexual but we don’t have to misgender his girlfriend out of a desire to play up his purported right wingedness.
Sorry, my ignorance of LGBTQ does not dilute my point.
However, in my ignorance, I touched on something you didn’t try to refute and I appreciate it: Republicans are quite often in the closet while publicly raging against the thing they secretly embrace.
thats for sure a thing. with regards to the shooter i recommend reading ken klippenstein’s piece on him, it does not sound like theres enough evidence to firmly consider him a conservative or a groyper or an anarchist yet. he’s weirdly apolitical (aside from executing a bigot for as-yet-vague reasons) and several definitive assertions have been made and later retracted by large media outlets, often citing sources that recanted or hearsay that proved false.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie
Thanks for the article. I’ll read it now.
EDIT: I’d already read this one. It’s probably more factual than anything mainstream media has done and that’s including those from either side of the political spectrum.
These days they’re all bowing to Trump anyways so who knows what to trust.
According to you, homosexuality is only about gender, not sex. This isn’t right and there is no consensus as far as I know. I would personally say a cis guy dating a trans woman is gay
gender and sex are not the same, for the 100th time
You’re the one inventing misgendering here
Attraction isn’t really exclusively based on sex, though. It’s about a whole range of factors, including how someone presents their personality and their physical traits. Many trans women have a lot of traits people find attractive in women generally, so being attracted to a trans woman is consistent with heterosexual attraction.
This means that liking trans women doesn’t automatically mean you’re attracted to men, so calling it gay is an oversimplification of how attraction works.
You could argue that in a strictly biological sense it is homosexual, but that ignores a whole range of social factors, which isn’t really how the term “gay” is colloquially used.
doesnt really sound like you’re an authority on the topic. the term “gay” applied to someone who identifies as a man means that they are attracted to men, whereas trans women are- and this is true- Women.
assigned gender at birth is irrelevant, regardless of your personal opinion
First of all, you completely missed the main point of my comment. If you think there’s no evidence then you shouldn’t be claiming one way or the other either, yet this post is presenting him as definitively right wing.
Secondly, I didn’t say he is a left winger. I said (based on my judgement) the evidence shows he probably, maybe leans left.
And answering your “what evidence” question, his text message to his roommate is released by the investigation. There are also statement from his mother stating he is “getting more and more left” (obviously, grains of salt). And there are leaked (released?) Discord messages from the killer.
If you never heard any of these, then you probably are in an echo chamber.
I didn’t miss it. I ignored it the same way you so vociferously try to pull this rightwinger away from his rightwing history.
Huh? That wasn’t what I was doing at all, you just pulled that accusation out of your ass.
So you actively ignore evidence that might be inconvenient to your opinions?
Ok.
Oh, so a bad faith argument
No. I chose to ignore apologist language. Seems quite unpopular with those using words to annoy instead of communicate.
Which is, indeed, a bad faith argument.
Also, answering their comments is not ignoring.
Ok.
“I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”
Robinson’s mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro–gay and trans–rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, especially between Robinson and his father, who had very different political views.
You people are fucking dipshits.
Right. MAGA never go for self-preservation against rightwing retaliation.
Put the pieces together. Aside from what I already said:
-Estranged from right wing family
-Dating a transwoman
-Struggled with gender identity
-Complaining about hatred
None of these things are characteristic of the right.
Balance that against an entire life of rightwing indoctrination. That’s a rightwing kid with mental issues.
I will not concede this bullshit talking point that “the left” did this when we all have eyes.
Balance that against an entire life of rightwing indoctrination.
You are describing probably 80% of liberals. Political opinion is not genetic.
Killing someone for “spreading hate” is not a right wing phenomenon.
Lol. That’s a hell of a stretch. You’re welcome to keep pushing this line while I roll my eyes and ignore it.
Everyone spreads misinformation to further their goals. It’s just not so obvious when it’s your side doing it. Confirmation bias
It’s not just the political right
Specifically what evidence released by the investigation do you feel characterizes the alleged killer as left-leaning? I have not seen any such evidence.
Cut the ‘deep down they know’ bullshit. They have no principles and sincerely believe that it is their opposition, or perceived opposition, that are responsible for all things that go wrong no matter what. No matter how many people Trump fucks over or have their lives completely ruined by him, they will just blame the democrats or transgender people or homosexuals or whoever else. They genuinely cannot see what Trump and his asskissers are doing and the results it is having.
It’s more accurate to think of them as irrational beings with brain disease making them unable to think clearly. They have vague intuitions and a complete inability to think rationally.
