If they loved you, if they truly cared about you, would they have not put in any basic research whatsoever as to how harmful MAGA is to you?
If they truly accepted you for who you are, why would they gleefully vote for the movement that says you, at best, must be a slave to the rich, or at worst, in a concentration camp?
If they truly were trustworthy, why would they support the establishment of a Gestapo that is targeting all that oppose dear leader?
If it truly was just ignorance, not malice, then why do they so fervently remain hostile to the truth so easily available to them about the monsters they’ve supported?
It is pathetic to see so many leftists become fascism apologists when it comes to their parents, their grandparents, their siblings, their friends, etc.
These people voted to build the 4the Reich and commit genocide both abroad and at home. Why the fuck would anyone think they could actually love you?
What “love” they’ve ever had for you or anyone else was always overshadowed by their hate for everyone else. And if you’re a part of the demographics they hate, the reality is they ultimately hate who you truly are, and this country burning right now is their ultimatum to you to abandon yourself for them.
No one should remain in contact with these people whenever avoidable. They should be socially isolated for their evil. Refusing to cut ties when possible is continuing to award their atrocities.
OOP also strongly believe that voters failed the Democratic party, not the other way around.
Hot take kid over here.
You’re preaching hate and ignorance.
The majority of maga people are just ignorant and mislead. Their worldviews are full of contradictions because they focus on one or more core components that resonated with them and they then latch on while ignoring the rest. They’ll happily believe that immigrants stole their job, or ruined the economy, or are the cause of the majority of violent crime, or they vote illegally, or suck up tax payer dollars, or - etc etc. But it only really takes one of those for them to be able to adopt the MAGA brand. They don’t necessarily have to think that those immigrants need to be deported to a country where they have no ties. They don’t know how Stephen Miller is intentionally ramping up violence because he wants it to turn into a blood bath. And they almost never know just how awful the administration is because they get their information of the world around them from a diet of fox news and an echochamber of community members that also only get their news from highly biased sources.
They’re not necessarily bad people. Yes, some of them objectively are bad people. But most of them are just ignorant and surrounded by ignorance.
The only way to rescue them is to keep them in your community and family groups. At some point when the violence is too harsh and visible to ignore, you will have the opportunity to say “This is wrong.” and they will finally listen.
Nah, fuck that. These people voted for me and my family to be sent to a literal concentration camp and to lose our citizenship.
I hate my family not because they are ignorant, but because they are malicious. I actually think my mother is hoping my wife and I are sent to a concentration camp so she can try to have control of our daughter. They are hateful people, and I don’t believe in loving the people that hate me.
Maybe some are misguided and voted all red their entire life and regret it this time. I don’t think everyone that voted for Trump deserves to be shunned. But the people that are maliciously ignorant and refuse to use a dictionary, the die hards, the people that donate, the people that wear MAGA hats in public, the people that invaded the Capitol on Jan 6th, the people that would rather see a dead woman than progress, the people that voted for brown people to be less uppity.
I hate those people, almost as much as I hate literal Nazis, and the MAGA regime does have literal Nazis.
IMHO, not an unpopular opinion.
No - the majority were misguided and lied to by people they trust. Granted, they’re blithering fucking idiots for trusting fox and AM radio and their church leaders. Very few actually saw this as an opportunity to be cruel. Those people are obviously awful. The rest - just really, really ignorant with some objectionable world views.
But OK. Hate begets hate. They brought it upon themselves. But you’re bringing it right back as well.
You speak with the tone of an abuser.
You can fuck right off with your hug a nazi rhetoric.
TLDR:
You’re the REAL nazi for not wanting to be around nazis that ‘aren’t so bad’ once you talk to them a little.
Fuck you, you nazi piece of shit.
Here’s the problem with your logic:
Once you start going down the rabbit hole of Maga, it’s very easy to get sucked into that and go down further.
Let me give you just one tiny example of what I’m talking about. Imagine you did a YouTube search on how to repair a 1982 Ford Mustang engine. The actual motor. YouTube‘s algorithm is now going to hand you more videos about the Ford Mustang engine from 1982 and maybe also 1983 and 1981. It’s also going to hand you videos that other people may have watched after watching The first video. So you click on another video and And now the YouTube algorithm, and you even more videos based on those two clicks.
The concept is to give you more information on the subject you’re looking up. Which is a good thing if the videos are accurate. What happens if they’re inaccurate? There’s nobody there to stop and say wait a minute, buddy. This isn’t right. There’s no sane voice in the crowd. Maybe what you’re doing to that engine or more correctly that motor is only going to destroy it and probably take out a transmission.
Am I comparing a Ford Mustang engine or transmission to Maga? There’s absolutely no way that any human being could say yes I’m comparing one to the other. That’s insane. What I’m talking about is the YouTube algorithm where there is no check balance in the system.
Now let’s replace Ford Mustang motor with the phrase flat earth. You inadvertently click on a video about flat earth. The first one you click on your laughing about Thinkinglike what would believe this? The problem is you click on one YouTube hands you another. And another next thing you know you are surrounded by videos that on the top level sound logical. Once you do any critical thinking or if you were to actually stop and go outside and look around you’d realize no that’s wrong.
Psychologist are watching this happen and they don’t know how to stop it. People get sucked into these conspiracy theories and there’s no way to reach them. It’s effectively a form of brainwashing.
Because it isn’t just YouTube. YouTube and Google are owned by the same company. So what you do on one will reflect in the other. Because of cookies. So now you’re going to Google and you’re seeing things about flat earth. With those cookies and that tracking data is shared with other companies. These other companies they want your eyeballs they want your views, they want your clicks. So they serve up these weird conspiracy theories because that’s what you were looking up. That must be what you’re interested in. That must be what you want. So that’s what they served to you. Now you’re surrounded by wackadoodle ideas.
And psychologist don’t know how to reach these people.
Now let’s remove the word flat earth, and let’s insert the Maga mentality. You get the exact same result. Because they get surrounded by the same bullshit and there’s no realistic way to reach them. It’s something in the human mind. I’m going to be honest. I don’t truly understand it. I don’t think anybody does. But once you start going down a path where everything around you is saying one thing is true. And you start believing it. It becomes very difficult to convince that person that , no everything you’ve just seen is wrong.
Now let’s add another layer. They turn on Fox News and they start getting the same message. The same Maga message. So now their favorite news station is saying the same thing as their YouTube search which is a saying the same thing as their Google searches. And it’s all saying things like trans People are bad. It’s all saying things like illegal immigrants are all rapists. It’s saying things like just by reading a book about a trans person you could become trans. Like somehow that book is going to brainwash you. So let’s remove all the books from the library.
This is not a joke. There’s a town just north of me where some of the conservatives in the town are absolutely 100% convinced that in the elementary schools they’re taking dog dishes and having the kids eat off the floor out of the dog dish. As some sort of brainwashing technique to teach the kids they’re not human or they’re not a boy or they’re not girl or they’re not something else.Why that long weird sentence? Of what they’re brainwashing the kids to be? Because it Why that long weird sentence? Of what their brainwashing the kids to be? Because it’ll depend on which conservative in that town you talk to.
The problem is certain conservatives are becoming so brainwashed by the crap that they are seeing no one even knows how to reach them. Some of the best psychologist in the world are looking at this, and they say it scares them because they don’t know how to fix the problem. They don’t even truly understand why it’s happening let alone how it’s happening.
I know some of the people in lemmy will hate this statement. But I could do the exact same thing with something on the left side. For example, communism. It’s possible to use that technique and get a person twisted around where they would believe that communism is a good thing. I’m not talking about socialism and not talking about having a social network to help poor people. I’m talking about communism.
You can do with just about any subject.
Now does that mean that you should embrace their crazy ideas? Of course not does that mean you should keep trying to fix the problem I would say yes. If you think there’s a possibility of ever reaching them that is. You have to look at that person and ask, is there a possibility of ever reaching them giving them the information and getting them turned back around? If not, yeah maybe you have to walk away.
I don’t know if it’s fair to say that they hate you. But it is also not fair to say just cut off contact or refuse to have contact with anybody on the Maga side. Because maybe you are that sane voice to help them out. Maybe you have the information to get them to turn around. If you don’t, then who’s going to help them. Because now you’ve walked away from them and there is absolutely zero sane voice in the crowd. Again you have to look at that individual and ask, is there any possibility of reaching them at all.
The first person you have to take care of is you. Then you help out those people that you care about who you can help. And then you go from there. But to just give up and walk away, that’s a very dark path.
If you made it to the end of this Comment I appreciate your reading all of it.
I know some of the people in lemmy will hate this statement. But I could do the exact same thing with something on the left side. For example, communism. It’s possible to use that technique and get a person twisted around where they would believe that communism is a good thing. I’m not talking about socialism and not talking about having a social network to help poor people. I’m talking about communism.
Tankies have entered the chat.
Seriously though, Lemmy is a black hole too. The top posts on the front page are from clickbait sites, or straight up misinformation memes that are presented as truth.
When I point this out, it’s mostly upvoted, but no one really cares and mods do nothing because the misinformation is political orthodoxy here.
It’s not an ML attention optimizer, at least, but still.
In other words, information hygiene is really bad these days, and that is indeed a kind of intractable issue. Hype keeps winning, and I don’t know what can be done at this point.
Nah. All Republicans are Nazis and should be regarded as such.
TLDR: Don’t give up on nazis.
Fuck you, nazi sympathizer.
Apparently people with ADHD/Autism are to some degree resistant to this, if only because they process information differently. As a sufferer myself, I’ll believe it. Note that resistant is not the same as immune, unfortunately. But “alternative” ways of thinking are one possible weapon against this, for future reference.
IDK if its just my local social circles skewing my perception of things, but it really does seem like autistic people tend to have a strong anti-authoritarian leaning.
Sometimes I wonder if that’s why the nazis are so eager to find a ‘cure’. A cynic might think what they’re really after is chemically induced acceptance of injustice and tyranny - ‘vitamins’ they can load into school lunches to turn the entire population into regime collaborators, sympathizers, and apologists.
