Seriously, what Israel is doing today is no different from what the Nazis did before and at the beginning of World War II, extreme nationalism, illegal expansion, annexation of foreign territory claiming it historically belongs to them, propaganda using the latest technology, terrorizing neighbors, military at the center of society.
People are still pretty sorry about the Holocaust, there’s Christian mysticism associated with it, the Middle East is a rough neighborhood and Zionists have all of those things to great effect.
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What about the space aliens? /s
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The part where the US contributed to the region sucking is real, although it goes back past the American century as well. The rest sounds (ahem) very Lemmy.
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IMO it’s because the western oligarchs are making bank selling military tech to israel.
And getting land and other natural resources, likely.
What land? The booby trapped gravel pit that used to be Gaza? Nobody wants that.
Also, climate change isn’t going to be too kind to the area
Why would you say something so devoid of public knowledge or forethought? Settlers want it, because they claim it. Trump is talking about Trump Resort there.
Since other Westerners are paying, it’s not actually a net gain.
This is it. Israel is too profitable for them to detox from. They get to test out sick new tech to spy on and abuse their citizens, they get to put pressure on nations in the surrounding area with resources they want, and just the sheer amount of money selling weapons in general.
It’s one of the most lucrative grifting exercises the western nations have ever designed.
I wonder how much the “ignore your genocide” fee is.
Pretty big, when you consider AIPAC* and propaganda. https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=65051
Because we have freedom of speech so ideas can compete with each other on their own merits, as they should, rather than ideas being forced upon people on the barrel of a gun.
Oh yeah, just like an individual citizen or a large multinational corporation can both donate to a party or hire a lobbyist.
… people like you don’t understand scale and proportion. Ideas don’t win based on merit, they win based on mass funded propaganda and ubiquity.
So competing based on the barrel of a gun is better? You do have a point, that the majority’s beliefs affect more a random person’s beliefs if the random person is irrational than the merit of an idea, but surely enforcing the ideas of a minority - or even a majority - is even worse?
Nazi was about the so called Aryan race supermasism, zionism is about the Jewish supermasism. So why oen is ok under freedom of speech and the other no?
Everything is allowed to be spoken about under freedom of speech, no matter how despicable people find it.
because Nazis was the enemy and declared war on them while Zionists are the west allies.
All the western countries done their own genocides within recent history, and have run out of victims. But the basic colonial mindset never went away.
It must be like a breath of fresh air that, yet again, brave Europeans have a frontier to conquer and savages to tame.
That, and most leaders are being actively blackmailed by the Israeli intelligence services; and also, a good chunk of their population thinks Israel is required for their Sky God to kill most of the people on earth and reap their souls in judgment day.
Western democracies have done a lot of progress the last generations, but scratch at the surface and one will find a medieval mindset. Scratch at that and one finds a stone age mindset.
frontier to conquer and savages to tame.
I hear that but I don’t see any fucking taming being done
all need to be burned out and replaced by people who can lead
I suspect effective and able leaders are being selected against, in many parts of the planet, due to recent changes of economies and technology.
But even in the older days they were very rare. Societies enable sociopaths regardless of government philosophy. They always have.
I think the Palestinians are victims of an alignment of malice, indifference and arseholes. They cannot be rescued unless evacuated. And the West Bank will follow Gaza later.
Anyone who is not a spineless worm is checked by the American military parked nearby. And contrary to the hopes of many, America will be there for all the steps, and will not just go away due to issues
Nazism isn’t “banned” per se, at least in the U.S. as the First Amendment does not allow for viewpoint discrimination, however repugnant a viewpoint might be. But the First Amendment does not protect against cultural, social, or other forms of non-government backlash for those who support disgusting ideologies like Nazism.
So there is no “banning” that could take place of the Zionist viewpoint, if we were to consider it on par with Nazism. By and large in the U.S., Zionism and Nazism are not seen as equally repugnant viewpoints in the cultural landscape, hence the difference in how supporters of these views are treated. Hope that makes sense.
Well, at least here in the US it’s because our politicians are openly bribed by Israel.
Nazism isn’t banned anywhere. If it were, Zionism and any other nationalism would most certainly be banned.
To answer your question, because it serves capital.
The people deciding what gets banned are zionists.
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Not really. They’re pretty open about it. A lot of them campaign on it.
you sound an “aweful” lot like a terrorist.
They have the same intent, but there’s no proof that there is a plan to really actively murder all Palestinians. Also, people in Gaza now have about as much food to eat as inmates of Nazi concentration camps had in the first half of 1940’s, but the rest of the horrible torture is not being done.
So, basically, people are okay with what the Nazis did between 1932 and 1941. But from 1941 onwards, Nazis went over some line that is not acceptable.
In my opinion, Nazis were horribly evil already in 1932 and what they did back then was already absolutely condemnable, but it seems that most people in our society don’t share my view on this. You are allowed to commit a genocide using starvation and bullets, like the Nazis did until 1941, but when you start using actual gas chambers, it becomes a no-no.
Basically, because NATO and Russia are in an economic stand-off where Iran is the key, and Israel is really the only plausible excuse for the US to invade Iran
NATO and China.
Russia is a pawn in the game now.
Being a Nazi is not only not banned in most countries, in some like the US it’s explicitly legal (i.e. “Freedom of Speech”). That said, it is (kinda) banned in Germany, yet they are still around over here, because you can’t ban people from believing in stuff.
All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh. Israel’s recent actions are very unpopulat in the west, even though most people are not even affected by them in the slightest. Many of the people who protest them probably have no direct connection to Israel or Gaza. So what’s the goal of a ban even?
I can only speak for Germany, but here an Israeli sniper and alledged murderer fled the country, bacause he is being persecuted for warcrimes, i.e. the murder of civilians. You also cannot call for the extermination of anyone without riscing consequences. This does not prevent people from being Nazis, Zionists or anything else. It just sanctions them for publicly expressing it.
also because legally buying land in, and migrating back to, a country from which your descendants came is not a crime
Buying a house is legal, but annexing and building on occupied territory is illegal according to international law.
Unless a Palestinian tries to do it, of course.
Found the zionist! You need to read up on the history of Palestine, rather than echo israeli hasbara.
Try ‘A Very Short History of the Israel-Palestine Conflict’ by Ilan Pappe to start 🙂.
i know you read this book many times so could you quote something from it that disproves anything i said?
Yes I can. Do you drive a volkswagen, btw?
if you frame it that way, no, but if you take into account the open terrorism of irguin, the murders and ethnic cleansing of the nakba, 80 years of apartheid and casual killing, and the genocide since 2023, its all crimes for 80 years. So try again with the framing of the problem.
can you remember what the arabs did that started all that?
“The arabs”
You know you’re a fascist when you think an entire race of people are an undifferentiated hivemind who share collective guilt and can be collectively punished. Also justifying genocide and terrorism with “they started it!”
man you the brain box
no reply i see
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‘All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh.’
Are you serious? Just look around you ffs.
Mostly because a lot of western nations got occupied/ bombed by the Nazis, but not by zionists
Well, at least in the US, Israel “donates” money via groups like AIPAC to politicians and scores them lucrative business deals in return for political favors and financial aid to Israel, using taxpayer money.
Which they turn around a give a part of back to the politicians in their next bribe. It’s massively profitable for both Israel and the US politicians, as well as the military contractors who make the weapons the US “sells” to Israel.
In short, Israel helps US politicians embezzle taxpayer money legally for their personal gain.
This genocide really brought home how brainwashed I was by the likes of AIPAC.
Because… gestures at wikipedia. It’s a long story.
