Odysee, bitchute, peertube, and others are overrun with right wing media and there’s nearly no left-wing stuff on them. Where are all the lefties?
The simple answer is, who’s paying them to? It’s the same answer to why there isn’t more left media on other platforms. It came out not all that long ago that Tim Pool and other right wingers were being paid “THOUSANDS” as in tens to hundreds of thousands an episode for podcast slop.
No one does that for the left. Not even all powerful daddy Soros. No one is paying our rent, production costs and expenses. Our endeavors must be sustainable or we can’t do them. Unlike the Right wing slop. There are no left wing sugar daddies funding messaging. Therefore on the left what you get is more organic, and genuine. But also a much smaller quantity that you have to actively seek out. And doesn’t just get shat out and pile up on your doorstep like the right wing slop.
There is chorus https://www.wired.com/story/dark-money-group-secret-funding-democrat-influencers/
But part of it I think is as the left we generally dislike those kinds of deals as it’s inherently a potential conflict of interest.
It’s definitely a prickly issue. Even those funded through donations to Patreon, etc can find themselves chasing donations and engagement over facts. Any donations where there is even a whiff of possible quid pro quo, definitely put leftists off.
Authoritarian mouthpieces are free to sell out and shill. Where even a hint of it is enough to ruin any on the left. It’s definitely not fair.
Also there are groups like Pacifica in some markets. Not enough, but some.
This does make sense 🤔 Maybe it would make sense to make use of AI in order to spread the word because at the moment, it’s very clear the right has a message it wants to spread and the left isn’t keeping up. Not even remotely.
I gotta chime in with @cabbage@piefed.social . Part of the problem is people wanting things to be handed to them. Without breaking them from that there is no helping or changing their minds. AI is a double edged sword which stands to harm as much or more than help. Plus you gotta remember. It’s ultimately the fascists platform. And the house always wins.
Honestly I’m not sure what the messaging should look like. But perhaps it should be a list of reputable and professional podcasts and streamers. Something other than Hasan/vaush/destiny etc and certianly not Cenk and TYT any more. The former would turn off a lot of older viewers and the latter… well they’ve largely lost all trust and reputability AFAIK. And it’s such a moving target with whatever the feed and the oligarchs choose to villanize this week.
Please don’t. We’ll win out in the long run by building something great, not by being awful. If you want to spend resources they’re better spent supporting content creators. :)
It doesn’t look like we’re winning right now. Most governments are leaning right and continue to do so. Fascists and their ilk don’t play fair, why should we?
You could create left wing chat bots to fight against right wing chat bots on capitalist forums, but it seems like a pointless exercise to me, and it just wastes resources and confributes to the dead internet. The venture capitalist logic running it all will kill the platforms soon enough anyway.
I really think social media can only be fixed by doing what we are doing right here - building better alternatives run by the people for the people. All of this technology is still young, we are doing quite alright for its age.
I think we need to fight the fascists as much as possible outside of social media. Community building in the real life in itself fights fascism. On commercial social media platforms we will never achieve anything because they are run by fascists and anything done on them just feeds the machine.
Most of the right seek out “alternate platforms” after having been banned from everywhere else. Leftists don’t usually have this pressure to deal with. So many of them remain where they’ve been planted (Twitter, YouTube, etc) because they aren’t being forced to change.
And also, as ProdigalFrog points out, leftists are wary of other centralized platforms. We know they have the same incentive structures.
Odysee, Bitchute and Peertube are not centralised. But if leftists believe that they are, that would explain it.
Bitchute is centralized; content distribution is not. Bitchute has a stranglehold over the platform. It is centralized in all the ways that leftists care about. Odysee is built on blockchain so of course nobody with 5 braincells are gonna touch it. Peertube has awful discovery so nobody who matters cares to use it.
I don’t know what your point is
Lol.
It’s centralized… except except except. Oh, that one is decentralized but I hate the tech. And that one is also decentralized but I can’t bother to find stuff on it, so fuck it.
Typical leftie behavior: if it’s not perfect, fuck it. This is why the left is so split and losing to right-wingers “oh you’re on my side? no you aren’t, we disagree on point 9182534925349 and point 12673581253! fuck you, you nazi misogynist pig!”. Right-wingers would blot the skies with swastika smoke signals while lefties argue about the harm it does to the planet and everyone gets converted.
What kind of decentralized platform are you waiting for? Does Marx have to rise from the grave first to sanctify it before you will deem it worthy?
That’s how it used to be, but places like reddit are banning people for having even moderately leftist views like “hey maybe let’s not support a genocide”. it’s going to start turning soon, hopefully
Leftists don’t usually have this pressure to deal with.
Ironic to be writing this on Lemmy, a platform created&popularized primarily due to chapotraphouse getting banned on Reddit
And yeah in general actual leftists do need to be wary of using corporate-owned media and proprietary software. Bans are one thing, forced deanon and spying is the real issue.
Odysee is owned by a large tech-bro crypto and NFT holding company, it makes sense leftists would avoid it. It is also centralized.
Bitchute is centralized, and allowed fascist and right-wing conspiracy material to flourish when those communities were getting banned from other platforms, putting off leftists from joining. They became the Voat of the video-hosting world.
Peertube is open-source and decentralized, meaning just like Lemmy/piefed, fascist instances can be defederated, isolating them to an echo chamber and protecting the other instances from turning leftists off it.
There are leftist Peertube instances like kolektiva.media, you likely just haven’t found them yet.
What do you think makes an instance definitively leftist and do you have any other examples? I’m interested!
Because people are stupid and oderous. No matter what political “ideas” they believe in.
Thank you for not even remotely answering the question.
You already did. So, how could I -in my limited knowledge and unimportance- dare. Excuse me for breathing your air, your excellence. I promise to leave any unfunded claims and overgeneralized, dubious “questions” to be answered only by you. You’re obviously the one with the right capabilities for this sort of intellectual challenge.
Are you high? In the wrong discussion? Maybe read the question again and try to give a proper response instead of the pseudointellectual resistance gibberish you’re uttering.
Odysee specifically is a bit of a cesspool and my brief time trying the platform was full on having to skip content because the creator would say something extremely racist or evil very casually… and this would be the most promoted stuff on the platform…
Exactly! There are some good creators on there, but they are swamped by right-wing, conspiracy theory crap with no left-wing alternatives. With our disdain for centralisation and authority, I’d have expected exactly these platforms to be claimed by us.
one issue is making multiple accounts. if I could login like sso with my one federated account to other ones I would be more inclined to be on them once in awhile.
What do you think Bluesky was before it was compromised?
Same with Tiktok.
More to the point, WHY do you think there was a push to compromise them?
BECAUSE the left was using them to organize.
