If Kamala is the next candidate she will lose. This time democrats can’t simply pick a ‘status quo’ and establishment candidate. They need a person at a minimum moderatly left, a bit anti-establishment and they need to focus on universal healthcare, and then actually solve it. Then they will win the election after that again.
You guys don’t understand, she lost because people forgot how bad trump was, this time people will fall in line
No one forgot how bad Trump was, most people just watch fox news
BAAAHAAAHAAA!
-It’s worth remembering that “it’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.”
Don’t worry, she’s not in it to win it. She’s in it to build up some support, then give way to Gavin before Super Tuesday. She’ll be 2028’s Amy Klobuchar.
I completely wish she won last election… but there’s no way we’re taking a risk on her again.
I’m not a huge fan of Newsom, but at least he’s been loudly attacking this current administration. Maybe she has too, but I don’t hear from her in my news cycles.
Unless some progressive comes out and surprises everyone, Newsom will likely be my choice.
Newsom is an opportunistic snake and will say whatever he needs to to get elected and then do absolutely whatever he wants and none of it will help you. He is not better than Trump, he IS Trump, for a different audience with different motivations.
I think Newsom is like a Republican from the 70s, but comparing him to Trump like that is insane. We need to get out of this mess and a moderate is FAR better than anything the Republicans can push out.
I’ll likely vote for the progressive in the primaries, but if Newsom is the candidate it’s better than the alternatives.
This is the state of American Democratic politics these days. If the candidate is not exactly what you want, then they’re Satan incarnate and they might as well let the Republicans win.
the acrual Left has made massive gains since Trump took the stage, hard not to agree that accelerationism might have been what we needed
Sure, if you’re not one of the victims of accelerationism and don’t care what happens to them while we accelerate.
If I’m voting for the next president, I believe that they should be representing all Americans instead of primarily representing corporations and big donors.
Ideally, they should have clear principles, charisma, an ability to lead, a vision for the future, and have the ability to recognize that not everybody is as privileged as they are.
I don’t feel that a person who fails to meet any of the aforementioned criteria is suited for the highest office in the country. Maybe that’s just me.
Sure, but it’s a multiple choice question and, right now, there are only two possible options. If both options are bad, the best use of your vote is choosing the less bad one.
The primary is 7 months away. Nobody can vote yet and neither of us know exactly what will happen between now and then.
Regardless, I see the person pushing populist policies as the lesser evil. Janet Mills could win the race if she leaned into populist policies, but she won’t.
Janet Mills is the most unpopular Democratic governor in the US and is extremely pro-corporate. I don’t see her winning against Susan Collins.
Oh, he’ll be moderate, you think? Good luck with that. You think they pulled him out of a time machine from the 70s? They didn’t. He’s a product of the current political situation, he’s PART of the current political situation, he’s in the same orbits as all these people and he’s got the same people orbiting around him. If you think he’s going to move things back to the center I don’t think you understand how broken things really are. They’ve been broken for a long time, and they’re not broken in a repairable way. He’s not your champion, he’s not going to save you. You think voting for him represents “trying” to fix the problems but you’re just being led astray by organizations and powers that don’t give a fuck about any of us and are not motivated by anything we care about.
Okay, well you can vote for Vance then.
I understand what he is.
But compared to the shit show we have now… unless we get a progressive in there, what other choice do we have? Not voting? Going third party so that Repugs win again?
I don’t accept the premise that he is progressive in any meaningful way but you’re entitled to your opinion.
What other choice will there be in the next election? I don’t know, it’s too early to say. Maybe there won’t be another choice, but I think there will be plenty of interesting choices, which one is ideal is again much too early to call and you’re right we probably won’t achieve the ideal.
All I’m trying to say is, don’t trust him, and whatever ends up happening, whether he’s elected or not, don’t stop there. Job not done. He’s not going to fix this, he’s not a solution. More work needs to be done, so much more, by all of us. People need to learn civic responsibility again and start to participate in the democratic process beyond just showing up to vote. That means education, starting by educating ourselves first, which isn’t easy and it is being made harder every day. Then we can start to make progress towards unifying people, finding common ground, finding the things we can at least all agree on even if we don’t agree with the best way to do them, and starting to undo the merciless division that has been done to us. That also means outreach, that means activism, that means organizing, that means finding ways to change the system. Not all of them will be pretty. It might mean civil disobedience. It might mean violence. It might mean civil war. I don’t have a crystal ball to see what the future holds, all I know is that everyone who cares about the future of democracy in any way, shape, form or place, needs to start adjusting to the now hopefully clearly evident reality; it is not a given, we need to fight for it, and fight with everything we have, because there is clearly a lot stacked against us. But it does not mean we cannot win. In fact we must win, eventually. There is no other choice.
You may have misunderstood my last comment. I don’t think Newsom is progressive by any means. I always vote for the progressive candidates in the primary. And in the general, I’ll vote Democrat and whatever progressive propositions.
I just don’t think Kamala can win because people are sexist/racist… and she is pretty much the same moderate vision.
I think I did misunderstand then, sorry. At least I’ve hopefully made my position clear.
Stop fucking acting like newsom has already won the primary for starters. Also maybe don’t make people that have been targeted by newsom feel like they will still be under the boot if you dont want the dems to loose again.
Stop fucking acting like newsom has already won the primary for starters.
Did you respond to the wrong message? They never did that.
*lose
So no actual response? People like you are the reason dems keep losing.
You mean the transphobe who destroys homeless people’s meager possessions and platforms Nazis? Gross.
We don’t need to settle for that sleazeoid. We can do way better.
Fuck Newsom. AOC is the only valid one I’ve heard so far.
Do not pre comply with the bullshit autocrat wannabe Newsom being shoved down our throats.
He’s literally mimicking Trump and so many fucking stupid Dem voters are falling for the same thing we make fun of Republicans for.
JFC don’t. We don’t even want to hear you. I would rather have AOC as a choice over you.
Age Of Cowtron?
How about they both run in the primaries in a democratic process?
you thought kamala was bad? AOC would TANNKKK the dems
I hate how true this is. She’s popular with Millennials but that’s about it. The vast majority of democrat voters prefer conservative establishment candidates, and they think she’s too extreme.
Where is this bullshit coming from? Conservative establishment candidates have been what keeps losing, if they’re not already an incumbent.
AOC would be a stellar choice IMO, but 90% of the 1% would probably be against her, and that’s about half of all the money in USA.
Social democracies in Scandinavia work DESPITE being undermined by the rich, so the political shrewdness and tenacity that would be required of her is insane. She would need a lot of backup from the population, and the population will need patience.Because rebuilding the institutions in USA to their former standard is already a lot of work, but rebuilding them to the standard of a proper social democracy is something USA has never seen before, and will be very difficult.
For starters it requires USA to become an actual democracy instead of the dysfunctional democracy that USA many Americans praise as divine and sent from heaven. A multi party system is a must for true democracy, and until USA has at least 8 parties represented in congress, it is not really a functioning democracy at all.I say this as someone who loves AOC and what she does…
If AOC runs, she will lose.
That’s just the state of the nation right now. The only thing America hates more than women is a progressive. The culture of the country right now is way too volatile. The country just isn’t ready for a female president. Not because a woman can’t do it… but because the country is way too far gone with sexism and misogyny.
It was a long shot when Hillary ran, it was long shot when Kamala ran. If you think it’s not a long shot now after the MAGA crowd has been systematically destroying everything… and you want to run a Berniecrat woman? At this time? In this country?
I think you are right, and I also think it would be better for USA to “normalize” and find its center first.
Then AOC will have better chances of actually accomplishing something.Now we can only hope (as a foreigner) that USA will normalize, and not become a dictatorship.
Hey, keep away from AOC, we need her to take over Chuck’s Senate seat. The rest of you can have her after a term or three, she’ll still be plenty young enough to run, and maybe by then the country will be ready to vote for a woman for President…
From an outsider perspective, I think unless you get AOC now there’s not going to be much of a country left for another round sometime later… Bernie has spent his whole life with “maybe on the next one”. It will never be on the next one.
Lemmy Left reflexively votes in trump again
But but but what about Gaza?
Apparently not actually a concern.
I know. Weird.
You have to put your own oxygen mask on before you can help others.
In all fairness, I would bet that the percentage of the population as a whole that engages in strategic voting is very low. It’s not just people on here who are well to the left of the US center complaining that they want a more-left candidate who aren’t doing it.
This is coming from a Californian: I am skeptical, purely in terms of political advantage, that it is a good idea for the Democrats to run a California politician for the presidential slot in 2030 unless they are absolutely extraordinary. Two major potential Democratic 2030 nominees, Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, are both out of California.
California is going to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of who it is. If the Democrats nominate a dead orangutan, California will vote for it. It’s like the Republicans nominating the governor of Utah. (Actually, my understanding is that the current governor of Utah is kind of a decent guy, has been one of the people tamping down on divisiveness, but still, just not getting out of nominating him).
I’d be more inclined to think that someone like Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, would do well in the general election. She’s managed to win over voters in the Midwest, which have been swing states in recent elections, which is what the Democrats might actually not win in 2030. Biden was out of Pennsylvania.
IIRC from past reading, 2030 is predicting that some states further in the southeast might be swing states; it’s not as if the set of swing states are fixed. But I am confident that California will not be among the 2030 swing states short of a cataclysmic political upheaval in the next three years.
All that, of course, is entirely disregarding their policies.
I’d prefer Pritzker. He’s done great by Illinois and has been standing up for the people against Trump at least as well, if not better than Newsom.
Sure, he’d also pass the geography test.
Obama was out of Illinois and made it to the presidency.
This wreaks of the centrism “common sense” that keeps losing us elections. It’s built on the assumption that moderates are innately more electable, while history has shown this is anything but the case. It’s a kind of magical thinking completely divorced from reality.
The flaw in this thinking is that it assumes that there is a large population of political moderates waiting to be appealed to. This is what’s cost Democrats the working class - abandoning workers rights and benefits in the hope of wooing suburban conservatives. And it’s failed election after election.
It fails because there aren’t actually very many true moderates. If you poll people who are politically unaligned, it’s not that they’re unaligned because they lie right between the parties. They’re unaligned because their politics simply don’t match to the existing partisan alignment. Think someone that is pro-gun rights but also supports Medicare for All.
Running performative centrists doesn’t do anything to appeal to these voters, it just makes your candidate come off as inauthentic. Some issues just don’t have reasonable compromises on them. If one party wants to greatly restrict the civil rights of some minority group, taking the centrist position of only restricting their rights a little bit still makes you look like a monster to anyone with a conscience.
This is why centrists fail. Almost no one actually had beliefs that are in the dead middle of the political spectrum. Appealing to these mythical voters is a strategy that fails again and again.
Fuck Whitmer. She’s for the car companies and not for the people. She puts on a show but does nothing of substance.
Run Ocasio-Cortez
What you are ignoring is that Newsom has a key characteristic that both Harris and Whitmer lack: a penis. If anything has been made clear to me over the past 10 years, it’s that too many Americans view having a penis as a requirement to be President.
if you honestly think a penis is why hillary or harris lost than you are simply out of touch with the majority of america.
people didn’t vote for harris…they voted waltz, the country is tired of these wolves in sheeps clothing. harris drug down the campaign when she flipflopped on universal healthcare a week in, she became “just more of the same” instantly.
it’s why so much of the country votes republican, not abject bigotry and hatred (though there is a large contingent of that)…they vote republican because they know republicans are slimy pieces of shit that can be relied on to cause as much pain as possible, it makes them predictable and by extension makes protecting you and yours easier.
when dems are in charge you have to do a deep dive into everyone’s past, to see if they’re a snake or not. while republicans are either easy to please/step around/ignore (if you have the privilege to do those things) because they’re so open and proud in their corruption
not saying it’s right, just laying it out there as to why most of the country votes for wm over some dem.
obama won because he promised Hope and Change…then showed just how much of a lie that campaign was over his two terms. no democrat will win the popular vote again unless it’s a safe assumption they’re a pushover (biden) or america can trust they’re actually honest about pushing for change (waltz).
the country is tired of playing this stupid fucking game, everyone knows it by now…but if you have to choose between a devil you know vs. one you don’t the choice is easy for most.
if you think simple sexism wasn’t a major factor for a sizable portion of America, my friend, you’re out of touch.
You need to go out to the country/mountain areas. I was out there when Hillary was running. My family are all red voters. Hell, my grandmother told me she would never vote for a woman as president. Paraphrasing her “Women are too emotional and what about once a month with hormones”. Yes, that’s a driving factor in A LOT of rural voters. Simple sexism.
If sexism wasn’t a major factor in America, we wouldn’t have the massive incel problem we have. We wouldn’t have the constant “woke feminism” backlash bullshit.
Pretending America isn’t sexist and isn’t contributing reasion why Hillary/Kamala lost is willfully ignorant.
If conservatives in Britain can elect a woman as the leader of their country in the 1980s, then the US can elect a woman in the 2020s. We have a problem with misogyny, but I refuse to believe that even though enough conservative Britains could overcome their prejudice to get a woman elected in the 1980s, progressives in the US can’t somehow manage it in the 2020s.
Reality check. A few points swing would have resulted in Hillary of Kamala winning. These were close elections. I’m sure sexism was a factor, but their unpopular policies and corporate fakery were what really killed them.
Those people already weren’t going to vote for a Democrat…women are winning high ranking positions in what most people would consider much more culturally machismo-prominent cultures than the US
If the Democrats run the same platform/campaign as they did before she’ll lose again.
Democrats REALLY need to get it through their thick skulls that the days of campaigning on working alongside people across the aisle are over. that the days of uniting a country are over. Remember, the other side has already KILLED democratic politicians. they even KILL people on their own side they don’t agree with.
they need to take the position that while a certain group of people will never support them, they’ll still work for them but not with them.
the establishment dem platform makes 100% perfect sense when viewed through the lens of them being controlled opposition.
that won’t change unless progressives can get enough seats to control the party’s purse strings
It’s almost like they’re losing on purpose…
The off-the-books cash must flow.
I hope she does just as well in her next primary, as she has in every other primary she’s had to compete in
Fuck off!
I will splinter the two party system into a thousand little pieces. Mark my words.
Please. We need election reform.
lol the US is no longer going to be a democracy. one step closer to moving out of north america.
I’m fine with that, as long as there’s an actually democratic primary process.
There won’t be. There hasn’t since I was a kid and I’m halfway to my natural grave.
Please fuck off. Let Tim Walz run
I want Jasmine Crocket or AOC. Waltz will do though.
