Pipepipe has been more reliable for me, lately.
But who knows how long these alternative front-ends will last? It’s a constant cat and mouse game between volunteers and Google.
How does this app survive economically?
Apps don’t need finances to survive. The creator of the app could be working on it entirely because they want to, and not because they get paid. As far as I know, NewPipe is just a front-end. It doesn’t host anything, and just runs as a client to essentially give a new interfwce to YouTube.
Labor of love, I suspect
Most open source projects are not financially driven. The bigger projects, such as this, usually function like non-profit organizations.
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Because all the videos are still there.
If that seems like a self-perpetuating problem, it’s because it is.
People don’t realize how much shit youtube/google ignores over time, for whatever reasons (but mostly because it’s cheaper to ignoer I’d guess). With most major consumer VPN providers, this is very easy to detect. Adblockers are easy to detect. Tampering with the website structure? Believe it or not, quite easy to detect when someone hide a component or change a title or a button.
If they decided to seriously get after people that circumvent geofencing, people that block ads, people that change the interface to their liking, or people that plainly use alternative websites, they could easily. And it would require far less effort on their end to keep things complicated than it would require on our end to keep things working at an acceptable level.
Only kind of true.
If they did implement all those measures, all you do is launch a puppet browser rendered off screen and scrape the content you want. This could work for any site and it is impossible for anyone to detect.
For ads, as a nuclear option, you can detect when they occur and black the stream out.
I would personally do this if left with no other option.
Cue detection of “realistic” human activity on the UI and preventing streaming if the server determine this activity does not match a human enough pattern.
I’m exaggerating on that one, but… that’s not even that implausible these days.
My point was, dancing this dance with “big website”, whoever it is, will always be an endless uphill battle.
They can’t do that because of accessibility reasons. If they did that, a disabled person has grounds to sue them for proper aria hints & controls.
It doesn’t matter what kind of content it is, either. It must be made accessible.
Uh. I don’t know how it is on the other side of the ocean, but around here, it’s a nice goal, but there’s much more care going into making messes than implementing accessible websites. Even official government services sometimes just barely slaps an “accessibility conformity: partial/none” and keep going on.
I’m not sure having an accessible web is enough to overcome the thirst for ad money and control.
Sometimes I do get YouTube telling me that I need to disable my adblocker to access a video, so they do try to block that stuff (though I suspect that the infrequency with which this happens combined with the fact that not everyone does experience it when some people do report this happening suggests that they’re just testing methods of detection and blocking)
Usually when it happens, I just go into my Ublock settings and update stuff. I can’t remember that ever not working. It feels like a low-key arms race, in a cold-war kind of way
Welp.
At least nord has some protcol thing that should be able to avoid it
(edit: it’s called NordWhisper)
No, NordWhisper is for people to connect to the VPN, not for the VPN to connect to youtube. It’s all about what IP’s Google knows are VPN’s. If you’re blocked, switch server or country and try your luck.
Normally if a website asks me to stop using my VPN I just switch to NordWhisper and it’s fixed.
Switching protocols reconnects you to the VPN. Unless you manually select a default server, even reconnecting to the same country is likely to give you a different IP. 🤷♂️
This will allow Youtube to locate
the best contentand spy on you more easilyFTFY
locate the best content
Hell nah, please dont
Me: Leave that to me. I know what I want.
The “best content” being ip-located ads, probably.
probablyTIL ads are content!
I’ve been getting a “You must sign on to see this content” from YouTube (refusing to play the video if I don’t) for ages when I’m behind a VPN, but if I disconnect the VPN and try again I don’t get it.
Curiously, sometimes it doesn’t happen.
I guess YouTube has a list of IP addresses of VPN exit points and will do that if it detects a connection coming from one of those, but at least for my VPN provider some exit points are not in the list.
With TOR i don’t have problems on youtube, somehow
Isn’t TOR a bit too slow to watch videos in YouTube?
Idk, for me it works well, i have almost the same latency and speed as if i wasn’t using it, maybe because their nodes are near me, Dunno, but i live in europe and there are a lot of people and nearby countries so it may be
I’m in Europe too and my experience with TOR is not quite the same.
Then again I’m in one the more peripheric bits of Europe and not surrounded by countries were people run TOR nodes, so TOR probably more bottlenecked than in a more central place in Europe.
That said, surfing behind a VPN (which I pay for) plus provides me the level of privacy which I need at the moment.
I am near France, Austria, Swiss and not too distant from germany too, so i suppose i have a couple of nodes nearby
I currently watch YouTube with the Wcosia browser on my phone and have barely gotten any ads since I started using it for this purpose. I dunno why it is like this. I think I have gotten one ad in months and all I had to do was refresh the browser and it went away.
Used to use DuckDuckGo and their video player which also works fine. No ads.
It probably won’t last forever. YouTube seems hellbend on becoming AdTube, but for now, this is a fine alternative. I dunno how watching YouTube works with ecosia on the computer, if there are ads there, but on the phone, nothing.
VPN ads seriously need to stop promising that you can get around content restrictions.
People should educate others on how to get content not available in their area for fee without the hassle.
If media isn’t available in your area, then the company is telling you they don’t want your money. There is a $0.00 loss to them if you pirate it.
Unless you calculate it using the Nintendo formula, in which case you owe them $3 million.
Which is why there needs to be better pushback “Okay, so where exactly are you selling a functional SNES cart that I can plug into my SNES and play?” as an example.
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I’m not sure how that pushback can be applied. It’s not a legal argument that I am justified in stealing something if you won’t sell it to me. Although, at the same time, I don’t know what basis they have for claiming damages.
The pushback would be when they cry about monetary losses for something they literally don’t even sell anymore. Is this not why they’re always trying to take down ROM sites?
Yeah the damages don’t make sense. They might be able to press other changes.
Yeah they need to start rotating egress ips regularly. It’s a cat and mouse game
Or they need to do a better job at getting around content restrictions
I encounter VPN blocks everywhere frequently. I usually just reroll my selected server until the block goes away
You will definitely get the best content in the countries where YouTube is blocked /s
“In order to enhance your viewing experience, we’ve sold your data to your government”
The man sighs as he read the text on his computer screen, as loud knocking is heard on his apartment door. He looks through the peephole, there are men with uniforms outside.
[Ending 42/666, The Gulag Ending]
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There are literally 0 good alternatives now, my only hope is fairplay (which is now in development)
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The problem is, any alternative is shit, my preferred creator remain on youtube and i don’t want to stare at a wall when i am bored lmao.
Not using youtube is the worst thing you can do right now for your entertainment, what i do is using Revanced and on desktop Floorp + uBlock and i also try to support FairPlay (an alternative to youtube that is still in development) how i can (can’t do much rn but i can at least spread the voice)
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A store can give me the same item another sell.
Peertube can’t give me a video of TheLoneGamer or MorroLinux
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There aren’t really any alternatives.
I’m ok with YouTube due to using strong ad-blockers, browser extensions, and I don’t log in. Seems that these 3 things cut most of the bullshit.
Cause there’s nothing else to watch. YouTube has replaced TV in the average household.
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And none of them have anything worth watching.
It’s not that choice isn’t a thing; it’s that there are thousands of choices and they all suck.
“Hundreds of channels, and nothing good on.”
I know and I don’t need any of that. Stremio replaces every streaming app except YouTube, so those are the only two apps I need on my TV. If it’s not on YouTube, it’s on Stremio, and vice versa.
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Don’t like YouTube, do like the content creators on YouTube.
