A 13-year-old student was expelled from a Louisiana middle school after hitting a male classmate who she said created and shared a deepfake pornographic image of her, according to her family’s lawyers.
I hope her parents have the good sense to financially crucify the school district. “No tolerance” policies are bullshit and favor the offender.
Indeed. I always tell my kids don’t punch first. Punch last.
I would consider making deep fake porn of someone (a minor, especially) and publishing it to be punching first.
A big part of the problem is also that schools see physical violence separate from emotional violence. That is…they don’t see emotional violence. They handwave it as “just bullying”. The bully gets nothing more than a slap on the wrist (if that) until they strike physically.
And, the school exists in a bubble. If bullying happens outside of school/the bus (say, online), their hands are tied.
Then one day the bullied kid snaps and schools acts like it was completely unprovoked.
“never start a fight, but be prepared to finish one” is how I was taught
I would consider making deep fake porn of someone (a minor, especially) and publishing it to be punching first.
Lol, what? You must not know what words mean.
Would you tell your 13yo daughter to go beat the shit out of whatever piece of crap made that video of her and posted it around?
I know I would, but only because I’d get in more trouble if I beat the shit out of that kid for her.
Some kids…especially at that age…really, absolutely need a good old-fashioned ass whooping. But it has to come from a peer now, or else it’s “abuse”.
Honestly that’s probably why bullying nowadays isn’t physical fights as much as it is verbal assault (and imo, far more vicious). Parents these days don’t hit their kids nearly as much as the prior generation.
They expelled her. That seems crazy if it is her first incident. Suspension sure.
More importantly, how did the school address the bullying? Did the person who made it see any consequences? Did she report it and did the school ignore it? All of those matter.
From the article:
Attorney Miller said school leaders at Sixth Ward Middle School failed to address the girl’s complaints about the circulating image, despite her reporting it to school leaders.
“The school board’s actions in this case are reprehensible,” Miller said. “My client’s daughter was begging them all day to put a stop to this. Not only did they not put a stop to it, they put [her] on the bus with the perpetrator.”
When the girl saw the photo being shared again on the school bus, she hit the boy who she said was responsible for creating it. She was later expelled from the school.
and
Lafourche Parish Sheriff Craig Webre said one student was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence in September.
The sheriff noted that additional arrests and charges are possible.
Seems like she has a pretty strong case. The girl’s dad seems more reasonable than most these days:
Despite the situation, Daniels said he holds no animosity toward the boy accused of creating the photo or his family.
“Honestly, I have no ill will towards that young man or his family. Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do,” Daniels said.
Dad seems like a real G. Stood up for his daughter, and showed empathy and understanding towards the kid instead of a lust for vengeance
With the full context, no. The girl should not be punished as she very clearly informed the school of the problem, they ignored it. They are trying to frame her as the perpetrator to cover their own asses for doing nothing in a sexual harassment case.
What he did is WAY worse. Fuck that kid, or make a deepfake porn of it? I dont know what lesson the law wants us to get out of this. If she’s expelled, dude needs to deported.
While reading that headline, the last bit- I could hear the sound of squealing tires in my brain as I COMPLETELY switched opinion
back in the day we fought back intending to do as much damage as possible because of equal punishment. how did things get worse than equal punishment
She was 100% in the right and this is not morally ambiguous
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
While I agree with the sentiment on the surface, naïveté doesn’t solve the root issue. We need to raise boys who violently reject people who inevitably conceive of this kind of conduct. Sociopaths and misogynists will always exist. That’s why it’s important for a healthy society to root them out as soon as they show their true colors.
We need to raise boys who violently reject people who inevitably conceive of this kind of conduct.
Perfect yes exactly
Exactly, this shit is on his parents just as much as on him. More even. His parents didn’t teach him to respect women and girls and in general to respect other people’s boundaries.
I also think self defense for girls and young women should be a mandatory class taught at every school. This boy is already degrading girls sexually against their will. Girls should know how to protect themselves from creeps like him.
I’m not here to defend what is completely unacceptable. So don’t mistake it as such. I also think it’s on the parents to raise their child. Kids do dumb things, that’s part of being a kid. But there’s dumb things. And then there’s this…
I think this also illustrates the importance of competent sex ed in schools.
With today’s generative AI tools. I fear these kind of things are far too easy and require far too little effort. Which makes proper sex ed all more important.
Regardless of whatever happens with this school suspension. That boy is probably in some very serious legal trouble. Because no matter how you look at it, at the end of the day. He intentionally, created, and distributed CP.
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
Brain dead take. This is not a matter of parenting, it’s a matter of policy. You can’t stop this kind of behavior by scolding boys, and that’s not exactly the right way to get about it in the first place. Hormonal teenagers will forever be horny and creative. If they’re not finding every loophole to have sex, then they’re going to find the wackiest methods to get the next best thing. For some teen who can barely think straight, this is a quick way to get satisfaction from a crush without having the bravery of actually interacting with them.
That convenience is the problem. It is SO easy for anyone to get their hands on deepfake technology, and they’re so easy to use. You just find one of the hundreds of websites online, post a picture, and boom you’re done. Not only is it that easy, but their parents don’t even know such a technology exists because they come from a different era. In fact, they many won’t know of it until it’s too late.
Besides, no amount of talks stopped or parental controls stopped teens from watching porn, why would this be any different? The answer is that it’s not. The only serious way to address this issue, and it is a big issue, is through legislation. There’s need to be a federal ban that completely outlaws these deepfake websites, and this ban has to be actually enforced. At the very least there needs to be state bans, there just has to be some sort of legislation in place to ban or regulate this tech. Currently there is nothing.
Will this be fool proof? Of course not, when there’s a will, there’s a way. However, it will become way more difficult for your average person to do so. A 13 year can find a website and upload a picture, but it’ll harder for them to go on the dark web and do the same thing or install an AI model like Stable Diffusion locally and set it up to do deepfakes. These extra steps remove the convenience out of the equation, and make things like normal porn or interacting with their peers the better option.
You can’t stop this kind of behavior by scolding boys, and that’s not exactly the right way to get about it in the first place.
Yes you fucking can, if by scolding you mean talking to them.
Have conversations with them on how to be respectful of their peers. All their peers. Talk about things that are problems in the grades above them and tell them how it emotionally impacts people. Ask them how they feel about stuff they see it school, what they see. Frame tolerance for awful things as a moral failure.
Expect them to be decent for fucks sake, and they probably will.
You sound completely out of touch.
If you bothered to read the rest of the comment instead of just the first two sentences, you’ll see that I explained exactly why this an idiotic idea that won’t achieve anything. You have to actually be brain dead to think that finger wagging to a bunch of teenagers is going to result in anything, not to mention that you can’t control how parents will raise their kids nor can you control the knowledge parents have of this tech. This is something that can ONLY be solved through legislation.
Yeah I’m going to work on the real root cause which is the culture that promotes uncaring and malicious behavior, regardless of the technology that is being used to exact that behavior.
It’s out of touch to think that this sort of thing don’t happen with more crude tools. Are you going to play wack a mole with every new tool and platform that comes up?
I hate to break it to you, but this is a phenomenon happening all over the world, it’s not unique to any single society or culture. Not to mention that you don’t even have a real proposal in mind. Your grand solution here is demonize boys and wag your finger at their parents, if you think that’s going to achieve anything then you’re really are out of touch.
If all you care about is wagging your finger to feed your weird moral superiority complex, go ahead. However, I don’t have any interest in that. I want to see real, pragmatic, and tangible steps being taken to ensure that we get real results. The reality is that we have a new technology that’s completely unregulated, and this lack of regulation is causing this tech to be utilized in ways that shouldn’t be allowed. Deepfake websites shouldn’t be allowed to operate legally, and kids shouldn’t be able to access them so easily. Will a ban stop everyone? Of course not, however, it will greatly decrease the amount of people seeking because it’s not longer convenient to do so That’s how we can prevent situation like this one.
hey everyone photoshop just got invented you couldn’t edit or merge photos before this
Have you ever tried using photoshop? It’s harder and more intensive than it looks. There’s a reason why fake nudes exploded in popularity only after deepfake AI sites became a thing. You literally only need to find a website and upload a picture to get a deepfake nude. For photoshop, you got to download video editing software, learn to use it, and then actually do the work. Like seriously, people in this thread live in some alternate world. Lemmy is such a bubble.
Zero-tolerance policies.
Usually the effect of these policies is that a kid who’s getting bullied puts up with it until he can’t anymore, then finally fights back and gets suspended. Same thing here.
Personally, I don’t think we should encourage violence, but I also don’t see a problem with letting kids fight it out. He was lucky all she did was hit him.
I never understood US schools “logic” when it comes to deal with violence.
Yeses, she should not have hit that asshole, but they should expell him, and maybe give her a day or two of detention.
She should get a high five instead of detention.
That is my opinion, too.
The logic is “precarity”. Everything can arbitrarily be taken away from you by a capricious system.
America is a shithole country.
Basically, it’s whoever creates a problem for the school. Bullying doesn’t make waves or headlines. Physically assaulting people does. Therefore, bullies don’t get punished, only people who hit back.
Seems to me a kid who’s essentially created child porn and distributed it at school would be a huge potential problem for the school.
Yeah, when I was a kid if a girl sent a naked photo to a boy and he distributed it, they could both get busted for CP, usually the boy would face a harsher punishment for distribution and the girl could negotiate something else. This image was created totally without the girl’s consent or knowledge, so the boy is the only one at fault
Although, once alerted and not helping her, the school is at fault as well. And perhaps the individuals, such as the principal.
Right, potential problem. So they try to bury it to avoid it becoming an actual problem. The kid fighting back makes it an actual problem, so she gets suspended.
It’s a fucked up logic, but that’s their reasoning.
0 tolerance = 0 thought
It’s punching people is bad mkay. No thinking about why they got punched. Just punch = suspension.
Yep. It is a very limited world view to only count physical brutality for these kinds of judgements.
This has always been my contention with this policy. It’s one thing to prohibit physical violence. It’s another thing entirely to create an environment where everyone escalates to verbal abuse (bullying) and other forms of assault, yet have no ‘zero tolerance’ policy for those things.
The same level of logic where the bully is somehow not at fault for when the bullied finally stands up to them.
Not that I’d know from personal experience or anything growing up from how many times it was somehow my fault for retaliating.
As someone bullied a lot what I learned from them always punishing retaliation but not the action was to wait a day, be sneaky about it, then unleash all hell like youd never get another chance. If they’re gonna punish me for being in the right Im gonna earn it, so I went big. They never found the rock that was in my hand though so I guess it worked out.
punishing retaliation but not the action
I’m missing something. Are you suggesting that by retaliating outside the moment - attacking outta nowhere the next day - you were somehow punished differently? Perhaps less so?
nope you got it.
What often happens in these cases, you’ll see, is that nothing is every done about the issue until the victim fights back. Then they usually both get punished equally.
The initial bullying is often completely ignored.
Teachers tend to treat one sided aggression (ie bullying) as an annoyance they must deal with, often daily, so it’s brushed off as par for the course. Once two parties are swinging it’s a fight, and since they’re already used to excusing bullying, it must be the retaliator who was wrong.
“it takes two to tango” that is, there’d not be a fight if the victim didn’t resist. Therefore both parties are at fault /s
yuuuup “Why’d you hit back? Now I can’t ignore it!”
I also think teachers get used to bullies because they act out so frequently and just accept their behavior as default, so they subconsciously think yeah that kid is supposed to hit other kids, but it was weird the quiet one flipped out all of a sudden (flipped out meaning acted exactly like the kid they ignore does all the time)
I don’t think it’s really the teachers that brush it off. Most teachers do actually care. It’s the administration that doesn’t have their backs.
Teachers definitely brush it off. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. I was the victim, all the fucking time. I still remember elementary school in Philly, I was the only Asian kid in the class. Holy fucking shit, the bully always had co-conspirstors testifying against me, defending their mini-“gang leader” and nothing is ever done.
Those classes where there were a few ABCs (“American Born Chinese”), they would never defend me, not physically, nor even just verbally telling the bully to fuck off, I was just fucking alone.
Jeez Ender Wiggin
Dont get mad at him for doing it better.
Congratulations on your new flair!
Punishing the victims should they dare to not stay quite is an honored tradition in schools and one that isn’tl limited to the US at all.
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Rest of the world: Want to know why US schools have so many shootings? It’s not just the availability of weapons (though that’s the #1 factor).
Kids are taught from an early age that justice of any kind for their abusers inside school is never going to happen. Any action they take will likely result in expulsion—just like this girl—even for defending themselves.
With the microcosm of a social space that is school, what conclusion do you think kids will come to if they want justice? They don’t see any bigger picture than the tiny little place on Earth they’ve been legally obligated to be inside of until they turn 18.
And this situation is a stronger reason.
The girl has gone through every reasonable and righteous option she could of.
And the authority of all of those matters - failed her. So what was she left with? Punching the abuser. Now they’re all like “WHUH?! OH MY GOD! U CAN’T DO THAAAAAAAT!!” despite them practically IGNORING what was happening. What did they honestly expect? For her to own it?
I was a kid who got picked on and his ass beat a lot in the aftermath of Columbine. And I can speak from experience that basically every single guidance counselor and teacher’s marching orders were that I was much more terrifying and dangerous than the kids who cracked my ribs multiple times.
Part of it is that the culture of “boys will be boys” is still incredibly prevalent and transcends politics. Hell, look at how many “leftists” are glad to ignore platner being a nazi who worked for blackwater and blames the victims of sexual assault for being around soldiers?
But an ex who actually is a teacher explained this to me one night. A lot of the logic is that the bully is a lost cause who is probably going to suffer a LOT more if their parents have to come into school to talk to the principal about what their kid was doing. And… they are probably lost causes that schools just don’t have the resources to help. Whereas the kid getting bullied? They have a chance. So the kid who pantsed them in the cafeteria gets a slap on the wrist whereas they get a week of in school suspension for breaking that kid’s nose.
And then you combine that with standardized testing and funding and No Child Left Behind and the idea of expelling the young psychopaths only to get them back in a year because the “bad kid school” is full… yeah.
And I can see the same cold logic here. There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this and the reality is that basically every girl in school is probably dealing with the same problems (they just might not know it). And there is nothing the school can do about the sick bastards who are doing this. But what they can do is say they have “zero tolerance” in the hopes of keeping everything from boiling over and just kind of hope she gets past her trauma somewhere else.
Ain’t the world massively fucked?
I get it, but why punish the bullied person then? Let them off the hook as well. That doesn’t follow any logic.
Aside on the Platner thing, I don’t like the guy because he gives off some weird vibes. But I don’t think he’s a Nazi. He’s been pretty honest about his past, and I think we should learn to let people grow.
If the kid is a lost cause anyway, why do they have a problem punishing him or kicking him out of school? If they know he’s a psychopath, why do they even care that he’d likely get whooped by his parents? We all know he’s not getting whopped, most people know that kids end up like this because their parents completely ignore them. Kids of strict helicopter parents tend to be strict rule-followers or know how to fake it and can sneak around without adults knowing. In my generation most of us got beat by our parents, to a level that would now be considered criminal, but this severe bullying behavior wasn’t nearly as commonplace.
There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this
Legal authorities? Expulsion?
Administrators are lazy & risk averse. If parents advocate for their kid by raising a significant enough threat to job security, then administrators will act.
Petition to strip big balls of his medal of freedom and give it to this girl who showed courage in the face of adversity and no tolerance for bullshit.
I would def. sign that petition.
I can’t think of a better use of my time than signing & spreading this petition.
I signed it. I’m going to see if I can sign it multiple times, lol. I hate that dude and I don’t even know him. All I know is that him getting his ass kicked by two 15 year olds from Maryland at 330am in this city while he was here doing incredibly shady shit is the direct reason that city I live in has been absolutely locked down by the National Guard, ICE, DEA, FBI, DHS, etc. for months now and it’s showing no signs of ending. Fuck that dude.
Seems very on-brand for Louisiana.
Zero tolerance strikes again…
Expelled??? Suspend both of them.
Nice to see the sheriff took action, since the school doesn’t seem to give a damn.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
On probation for what, defending herself? Fucking hell.
I’m all for violence when needed. It was not needed but certainly deserved.
Without getting all wrapped up in your beliefs, surely you can see how assaulting someone for showing pictures you don’t like, even if they depict you, is not self defence.
That’s following the same logic of Muslims attacking someone who drew the prophet being justified.
It’s child porn for fuck sake. The school did nothing and put her on the bus with him. What other option was she left with?
If it were my daughter I’d be proud of her.
Yep, I’d be proud of her too and support her all the way. You know what else I’d do?
Get her a fucking solictor because she just assaulted some kid.
Haha. Believe it or not I have actually pre-warned my kids that if they need to defend themselves physically to just press ahead and I’ll pay for the solicitor after.
They’re all incredibly good kids so I say that to them knowing it won’t be abused but provides them with the confidence they’ll be backed up and to stand up for themselves in the moment.
What other option was she left with?
there were many like the press, lawsuit, higher authorities
I’d be proud of her
I’d be, too. Kid needed an ass beating & the authorities who failed here needed a comeuppance.
You must think you are really smart, don’t you?
That’s not the same at all. As a dad I’d I more than likely would be in jail for beating the fuck out of the kid.
Fuck mythical sky beings.
Him brashly showing naked pictures of her to people in front of her was sexual assault, meant to damage her mind/emotions/social connections.
Why are you only interested in the damage done to his body, and not the damage done to her life? Why is violence not okay when its an option of last resort to protect herself after several attempts at non violent resolution?
Why do you think I have a horse in the race? Why can someone not disagree with you and be a reasonable person? You instantly assume I’m some sexist cunt.
I don’t give a fuck about any of it really, it’s a story about people I don’t know in a country I don’t live in. She is the victim absolutely, I’m all for her hitting him. But it’s not self defence… It’s just not. Go study some law, any law from a first world country and show me one place that would be considered self defence.
Bro the PC rot is real.
Sexual assault? The fuck?
I do not care about the damage done to him, I said he fucking deserved it.
Who the fuck said it’s her last resort?
I’m talking from a legal stand point, it’s not fucking self defence. It’s certainly not sexual assault either. There’s a serious misconception of the law on here. Your feelings are not reality, just because you feel so hurt by this story does not change the fact it wasn’t self defence, that’s my point.
sexual assault
harassment?
use of violence not okay
not necessary or reasonable to stop an imminent threat of danger, but I think you know that
What else was she supposed to do.
Sue the school, get the police involved, go to the press, etc. The authorities in her life were failing.
If we were talking about adults, I might agree with you; but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old.
Perhaps she should have waited until she could get home and speak to her parents; but she did reach out to the adults responsible for taking care of her and was repeatedly turned away without a solution.
With that, I can’t really blame her for her actions here. I’d educate her on how to reach out further for help in the future, but I definitely wouldn’t punish her for this one.
but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old
Not for her parents, though.
While her actions are understandable, violent force without imminent danger is still difficult to justify. In practical terms, though, that kid needed a severe beatdown & the shitty administrators need to face consequences.
stop trying to argue both sides.
“She should of done xyz instead” in one sentence “that boy deserved it” the next.
Principles like nonviolence & justifiability aren’t really negotiable. Maybe you should try morality sometime.
The moral thing here is for that sexual assaulting scum to be expelled and criminally charged, and the girl defended.
That didn’t happen, the girl was punished the boy protected.
She did the right thing, pussyhole lad should’ve been beat far worse for his crime, if he wasn’t going to be properly punished.
There’s no morality in non-violence that allows violence to go unchecked. It was her last resort and it still isn’t good enough for you.
If she didn’t do that it would have continued and probably even gotten worse.
The moral thing here is for that sexual assaulting scum to be expelled and criminally charged, and the girl defended.
Right.
She did the right thing
Nope: see violence.
There’s no morality in non-violence that allows violence to go unchecked.
There was no violence until she performed it. Maybe you need a dictionary.
It was her last resort and it still isn’t good enough for you.
Far from it: there were higher authorities, the press, lawsuits, shaming & embarrassing the school administration publicly until they cave. They weren’t exhausted.
Violence is only justified in imminent danger. In civilized society, we only authorize lawful force. I think you know that. Lacking integrity by corrupting & bending moral principles when challenged isn’t moral: learn morality.
Wow! WTF? Parents being involved seems the minimum. The way I see it, if the school took no action and the parents were intentionally not told, the kid got off easy without a full blown asswhoopin’.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
Sounds like a great cause for a law suit to me (not protecting a student). And we all know how much Louisiana cares about that.
Fuck that school, their behavior is what allows this kind of thing to continue and turns these asshole kids into asshole adults… and then we end up with modern day US.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
I’ll bet that has a penalty of like $1.25 total.
Back when I was in school, they would have expelled him and gave her a high five (and told her not to get caught doing it again).
Her brothers or cousins might very well pay him a visit also.
When I was a kid, the police would have arrested and charged the boy for CP even though he’s a kid too. This story is insane, it shows how much things have changed.
Because it’s not real it cannot be CP legally. Which is why he is being charged on this lower count. I am sure the sheriff would love to give him more years if they could.
The AI nuance makes this make more sense… the law has yet to catch up.
When I was a kid
things are very different in very different locations. Don’t over-generalize like that.
You elected a pedo for president and all his cronies!
Holy shit, that was me? I alone can decide the president? And I decided Trump? Holy fuck.
We found him! Right here! This guy!
If im the dad in that scenario I’m catching assualt charges then sueing for child endangerment, fuck everyone involved from the school.
Yeah if it were me, bare minimum the boy’s parents are getting their dinner interrupted by a loud angry knock on their front door.
If I’m the dad, I’m lawyering up. This is going to be a very expensive lesson for the school
Absolutely, but all I’m saying is you can probably lose an assault case and still win a completely different lawsuit at the same time, one of the lawyers will end up paying for the other.
I taught middle school briefly. I had a student that was sexually harassing another one of my students. Using “[student’s name] GYATT” as a nickname in kahoots and shit. The student being harassed had also transferred in from being homeschooled all her life - no experience dealing with this kind of shit.
Admin refused to do anything. I rearranged my seating chart to put them as far away from each other as possible, but admin blew me off when I asked if the problem student could be transferred to another class. Nope! Left me on read.
It’s insidious in Oklahoma. I imagine it’s the same in Louisiana. They really do not care about sexual harassment. It’s the “good old boy” system, where they refuse to consider it as anything more than a minor issue.
Admins don’t care about students, period. Not just sexual harassment
I would like to congratulate her on the new college fund after her parents sue the absolute shit out of the school.
Unfortunate for everyone else, but when a school says “parents don’t need to get involved” they’re doing something quite wrong
Not being allowed to contact a parent while distressed at school especially strikes me as bad. Even if they have no good reason to be freaked out, preventing a distressed student from reaching out to a parent while at school really sits poorly with me.
Every one of the school officials who knew and did nothing should be charged as accomplices.
Sorry for the wall of text. I tried to tldr it and failed.
proper tldr is hospitalized my bully. Mom invited a detective to the meeting, who threatened to arrest the vice principal for aiding and abetting assault of a minor.
I got pretty much that too happen in middle school. Beat the shit out of a bully who was punching one of my friends repeatedly in the head. Like kicked him in the testes then started stomping on his hands with steel toed boots and broke his bones so bad he had to move to another town for rehab, beat him badly.
My mom found a detective who’s kid was also getting bullied to show at up the meeting. VP was the disciplinarian in our school. We headed into the room with him, with the principal already sitting at the end of table. He didnt say an word that entire meeting.
My mom tried to open the meeting up while we were getting settled, by asking what the school was going to do to prevent students from having to take ‘drastic measures of self defense.’ VP immediately stood back up and started yelling about how it was HIS meeting and it was my actions in question. The detective, who was still standing, calmly unbuttoned his jacket, revealing his gun and badge, and calmly told the VP to sit the fuck down.
He started interrogating the VP about student reports of violence, when hed been informed, what hed done about it, etc. Then he told the VP that either he was leaving that room with steps already in place to ensure there would be no more violence, or he was going to arrest the VP for aiding and abetting in multiple assaults and abuse of a minor. He also threatened that arresting him for that would have the VP’s sons in sleeping in DSS custody that night.
Shortly after that I was sent back to class, but not before he cautioned the VP in front of me that any attempts to punish me for the fight would be seen as retaliation for reporting his actions, and making good sure I knew to call him (the detective) if that happened.
Like i said, the main bully was out of school, but his 2 friends were called in to the office shortly after that and expelled for the year. Then an announcement for a school wide assembly on bullying. Which was a pretty funny assembly. They both claimed they were implementing a 0 tolerance policy (which how we broke that is a story for another day) but also (clearly demanded by the detective) litrerally read out the states laws on self defense, stressed that students had an absolute right to defend themselves from violence which no adult could take away.
A police officer was there, who ended up becoming the high school’s student resource officer, who then told students that if reports of harassment or violence were falling on deaf ears of the faculty, to please report that to the local PD who most definitely would pay attention.
I would think that all of the school officials could be brought up on charges of failing to report as mandatory reporters.
I’d raise hell if my kid was told parents don’t need to get involved. It’s not like the parent wasn’t going to hear about it as soon as she got home.
If there is pornographic material being made about my child, I should be the first person the school calls. And immediately.
School administration is a joke
Fine, let her be expelled to be free of those jackoffs, but put him in jail for creating and distributing child pornography.
Oh wait, our system is too screwed up for that.
It’s not justice to sacrifice children on the altar of moral outrage. They are both children. One of whom needs serious repercussions to help them learn a valuable lesson that unfortunately doesn’t come easy to everyone.
I’m sorry, but my perspective is that a child who goes that far over the line needs to be punished and made an example. Then again, I’m not in a mood to be kind toward any variety of child pornographer.
And in this case, as I said, I see the expulsion as freeing her from their clutches.
We don’t ‘punish and make an example’ out of children in civilized society.
We educate them, allow for reform. Until the child has a mostly formed prefrontal cortex, they shouldn’t receive ‘adult’ type consequences. They literally are not developed enough mentally to grasp all of life’s rights and wrongs. That’s not to say they don’t have a gauge of morality, or some concept of what they think Right is, it’s just not all the way fleshed out and their poor stupid neuron-developing brain doesn’t fire the way it’s going to later in life.
My experience has been that once CSAM gets into a guy’s head, at any age, it never leaves. That’s what needs to be stopped.
The kid was likely 13. He should face consequences, but a 13 year old doesn’t have the mental development to understand the horrific repercussions for something like that. Throwing a 13 year old in juvenile detention for something like this won’t do him any good. Mandatory community service and probation are much more appropriate
Sure, let’s take a messed up kid, who had no choice in how they were raised, with almost no worldly experience, who’s brain isn’t even fully developed yet, and throw them into a costly system almost guaranteed to turn them into a repeat offender.
I’d rather see people bitch about a lax system and see more reformed criminals than feel the short term thrill of retaliation.
Yes they need to be punished. This is absolutely a serious crime. But kids make mistakes. We didn’t evolve to put this kind of power in the hands of children.
Not the juvie hall, then adult prison, sex offender registry fucked for life kinda punishment.
Like 5 years community service. Court mandated therapy from a psychologist to imprint upon them the serious nature of their error and direct the child to more appropriate behaviours while also evaluating that the kid isn’t just in the early stages of a blooming adult freakshow. He needs to understand himself and why they did it, what they thought was going to happen. Empathy and foresight skills development.
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Was he expelled though? Only physical violence is an expellable offense? Making porn of a classmate and sharing it doesn’t get you expelled? What the fuck?
Would that be CSAM? Seems pretty serious if it was any 13 year old girl period.
My personal opinion - if he had not SHARED it with anyone and it was AI, I would chalk it up to teenage boy messing around, nobody was hurt, right? Sharing it with his friends is different, so different. That is distribution, and hardcore bullying that should get you expelled, if one punch gets her expelled. I don’t really have any idea of what the laws say when it’s a child doing this with a peer.
If it’s not CSAM then it should be
If a child deliberately burns down a house, is it not arson? Crimes are still crimes, even when there is no legally culpable party. Falling trees do make a sound, even when nobody can hear them.
The kid who did needs to be treated as an offender in every way but legally. Mandatory counselling, school-based corrections, suspension, that sort of thing.
