Lightsabers are overrated.
This whole thread is just ignoring Clone Wars, Rebels & Bad Batch. (And the “Tales of” series.)
I view television as an inferior form of media to film when it comes to a series like this.
If you can make it good in the length of a movie, that’s more impressive than doing it over multiple episodes and it doesn’t take 20 hours to get there.
I have ADHD.
different media have different goals and require different writing skillsets. sometimes the story is better in long format compared to being abbreviated.
they need to maintain their hate boner with selective tunnel vision.
I’m a huge star wars fan, every time I hear star wars fans complaining about Star Wars it’s literally just this:
Nah, the new trilogy was just garbage. Not even garbage for Star wars, just bad movies in general. The inconsistent themes and storytelling of the first two left such a shit taste in my mouth I still haven’t bothered to watch the third.
i’ve seen your post a million times before, except about the prequels.
learn how to enjoy life.
lol my life is great, unlike those movies.
sure bud.
spot on. they also don’t realize they’re just repeating the same mistakes of the grognards who were shitting all over the PT twenty years go.
ppl don’t change.
Yeah, its all mostly meh. The originals were great mostly because I was a kid. Prequels were trash, but 3 was the worst of them. 7 was only better because it looked like they were going back to the roots of SW. 8 and 9 were absolute trash. S1 of Andor and Mando were some of the best stuff they’ve done in that universe. The rest of it adds very little value at all.
That said, the universe itself is rich and interesting and I wish there was more content that dives into it. KOTOR was my favorite entry in the universe overall and arguably has the best writing.
Also, I would still love to see a buddy cop sitcom set in some metropolitan planet. Think Brooklyn 99 in space. Doesn’t even have to be SW. I just want this show.
Prequels were trash, but 3 was the worst of them.
TWO was the worst of them, IMHO, but you deserve credit for realizing that 3 is overrated and a saber battle with lava and a bunch of good guys dying just makes it dark, not good. It has every issue that 1 and 2 do, and adds a few new ones.
Dial back Jar Jar, age Anakin up 5 years, and accept that Liam Neeson is the lead, and you’ve got a halfway decent Star War.
Q: Why did Qui-Gon lose to Maul? A: He was tired from carrying the whole movie.Two is only “better” due to the fact it was entirely unmemorable. I recall something about a cloning facility on a water world and some robot guy that wasn’t a robot.
The worst sin in three IMHO was belaboring every little plot point to connect up to four. It was brutal to watch. In many ways it reminded me of the “writing” for the last season of GoT.
belaboring every little plot point to connect up to four
That would be one of the “new ones” I was thinking of, and they didn’t even do it well. Leia remembers her real mother, explicitly in the script, so Lucas just says, “nah… it’d feel cooler if she died in childbirth.” Make the nerds hand-wave something about the Force until I can rewrite and re-film Ep6.
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For all their issues, at least the Prequels tried to do something new and bring a completely new style and story to SW.
The Sequels just feel like someone wanted to rewrite the OT because they thought they had better ideas.
The prequels were super rich in world building, good stuff.
If Spielberg hadn’t convinced George to do everything himself, just imagine what kinds of stories we could have had…
Yeah, that was the real problem with the prequels. The ideas were good, but executing them often took Lucas outside of his areas of expertise. He needed more help making them, but everyone he asked told him “no”.
If you skipped Andor because of that, I’d highly recommend at least considering that one. I thought it was an incredible short series with fantastic writing, and that’s coming from someone who basically hates anything other than the OG trilogy.
I stopped caring after the second trilogy, tbh. And even that, IIRC having watched them quite a few years after they were released.
I would recommend Andor to anyone, no matter their opinion on Star Wars. It’s amazing, despite it being SW, not because of it.
I grew up with SW, but I’ve grown to loathe it, especially after the Disney purchase. It’s just gone to shit. There is no care about the universe or the story. All they care about is how they can reference another thing, because for some reason the vocal SW fan base loves that slop.
Most of these nerd fandoms are desperately throwing money at endless inept projects until it finally gets less shitty.
There’s so much SW stuff that is complete trash.
The thing is, Disney made more shit instead of making less good quality. They just hoped something would stick. It’s what they do best.
I’m glad they got caught up in the streaming wars so they threw a ton of money around. There is zero chance that they will ever make something like Andor again.
never liked that BS Far in the future fighting with pink glowsticks? come on. I was 12 and I couldn’t accept that.
I’ve actually come to dread when they add a sequel to a good movie.
For every Terminator two there’s a Phantom menace.
I enjoyed the P.M., cool world building and lore going on. The new shit however has nothing new or cool.
For all their flaws at least the pt expanded the universe in a coherent and believable way.
For every Terminator 2 there are thousands of Phantom Menaces. It was one of very few good sequels to ever exist.
I’ve approached Star Wars like, there are pieces of it I really do enjoy and love. Like lightsabers, they’re fucking awesome. Some of the gadgetry, the tech and stuff is fucking awesome.
Everything else like about the whole Force thing, Sith/Jedi philosophies and everything in between, that’s neither here or there for me.
That’s the same approach I’m having with lots of other big, overinflated pop-culture things. I’m here for the appetizers, but not the entire meal.
wait until they spring out a Jedi android with a lightsaber whip and talks like JarJar because someone at Disney wants to bring that dumbass fuckwit back “somehow”.
Star Wars isn’t good, Andor and Mandalorian S01 are good.
That Christmas special is pretty tight if you live somewhere with legal weed.
I know what I’m looking for this holiday week!
And both of those definitely got the “popular series that drags on way too long” treatment.
Well, “dragging on way too long” is the main difference between a movie and a TV-show.
I guess everyone has their own cutoff point. I like works that are longer than movies but don’t go on for a bajillion seasons, especially if they actually seem like they want to tell a story. For me, it doesn’t even matter if the series is consistently good, I just don’t want to watch that much content for one show. Plus the longer it goes on without reaching a conclusion, the more likely it is that it’s just going to get canceled.
I suppose Andor doesn’t really deserve to get lumped in with the likes of Mandalorian here, considering that it managed to finish its story in two seasons.
Mando? Yes. Andor? No.
Andor was only two seasons though??
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Andor S02 was great tho?
It was, Andor is great. However, The Mandalorian is at least one season too long, the third season isn’t even about The Mandalorian anymore, he was just a side character for a large part of it.
Add Rogue One, as well
I rewatched it (several times, actually…) recently after Andor S2 and was just a little underwhelmed after years of remembering it through rose-tinted lenses. That’s not to say it’s a bad movie. Just kinda mid or slightly above average, which puts it far ahead of the rest of the Disney-era Star Wars movies. But next to the quality of Andor there are definitely some things that stick out.
Some critiques I have are pacing, unearned character flip-flopping when convenient, and supporting characters whose own motivations don’t go far beyond supporting the main characters.
It still has a special place in my heart and this isn’t to say other SW media is without flaw. I think Rogue One is a fun movie but its greatness lies in how it sets up the Andor series rather than anything it does by itself.
I definitely think the best way to appreciate it is immediately following the Andor series, which itself is best after a Rogue One watch, at least the first time around. I.e. Rogue One -> Andor -> Rogue One
Mandalorian was hammy. I think people reeeeally want to pretend there’s something left in that wrung out dish rag of a franchise when there really isn’t.
the only redeemable quality the mandalorian has is the werner herzog cameo
I don’t care about spinoff X on IPTV service Y.
Finally happened after The Last Jedi…it jolted me out of Star Wars, and now I just wait, sometimes years, to watch stuff.
I don’t care if it’s shit. I’ll pirate and watch every new show or a movie once, because that’s what I grew up with and that’s what comforts me
Fuck giving money to Disney though
Pirating out of spite is cool. Love that.
