Yay, Senate Dems caved for absolutely fucking nothing!
The AP article says the democrats “forced” a shutdown over the issue
Subtle but that’s how we know all media is fascist
They’re trying to exterminate us.
The end game of AI.
The 1% wants fully automated workers/military so they can finally solve their biggest problem. (Us)
Hey republicans, when your grandparents die because they can no longer afford the healthcare they thought they had for life, just remember to thank yourself and your lard in savor…. These deaths that will follow from people losing their insurance will be on your hands whether you think so or not. Merry Grimas!!!
They don’t care, they are voting for racism. Ig grandma might die in order to keep a black man out of the whitehouse, then that’s a risk they are willing to take.
These people suck, and have no shame.
Trump was literally responsible for covid shitshow in US, killing thousands.
The base stands for what he is: racist, misogynist, fraud, a felon, and a pedophile, not what he does.
What he does is irrelevant.
Hey that’s just the universe correcting itself. Less boomer voters means less republican voters.
With Gen Z turning Right Wing, it may not be enough
Yep. I’ve been seeing a lot of shit-stirring between generations probably mostly spurred on by the oligarchs and their apparatchiks.
I doubt that is an accident: keep everyone distracted. Have the boomers bitching about Gen Y. Have Gen Z whining about Silent Generation (“Biden so old”). Another wedge issue to fight over and distract with while the oligarchs funnel more money upwards. Just like they use race and trans, they’ll have young vs. old. Micro-generational differences (Gen Y1 vs. Gen Y2!) being agonized over. People seriously believing a teenager working in a dead-end service job giving you an exasperated stare is unique to Gen Z (lol) and other such inanities. Anything to have everyone take their eye off the ball…
Meanwhile, it seems the very people that are supposedly going to “save us” are getting rapidly red-pilled into crazy right wing extremism on the platforms.
Meanwhile, it seems the very people that are supposedly going to “save us” are getting rapidly red-pilled into crazy right wing extremism on the platforms.
If I went back to the 90’s and told people that Silicon Valley Tech Billionaires and Donald J. Trump controlled the nation, that they’d think the Democrats were in power.
healthcare should be free
jest tryin’ to protec’ the children, y’all know that, right?
put this on top of the fact that the trump admin also announced they were forcing large amounts of student loan borrowers in missouri (misery) off the save plan
Americas health care costs for the average family are going up up UP!!
let’s have a christmas day riot.
that’ll fix it.
i mean a girl can hope.
So they kept their promise and held a vote? Amazing!
So what happens now? Do those Democrat senators provide their own swords to fall on, or do they get beheaded? What’s the protocol here for senators who have failed as entirely as they have?
Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.
Right, that’s why I brought up the seppuku first.
That’s still a violent thing to wish on people.
Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.
Changes made during peace only last until someone willing to be violent undoes them.
Changes must come with a small amount of fear of retribution on reversal, or capitalism/authoritarianism will come and eat your lunch.
The French revolution taught us otherwise
Yeah, that was 200 years ago. We have better ways to handle things now.
Such as?
Diplomacy, conflict resolution, etc. Not really motivated to fight against the tide of lemmy people sipping koolaid. But if you step outside the echo chamber, it’s mostly common sense.
How is that working out
Kinda funny how you’re talking about an echo chamber when you yourself are just repeating the mainstream media talking points about diplomacy. There is a reason why they promote peaceful solutions, it’s because they’re easier to ignore or quash.
How is wanting to avoid civil war “mainstream”? I mean sure, go and promote revolution from the comfort of your climate controlled box with modern amenities, detached from the horrors of war. The feds have tanks.
no, we really don’t. 200 years is nothing on the scale of humanity. We have Nazi’s resurging, the south trying to rise again. We have peaceful protests trying to be outlawed and the administration regularly calling for the death of their opponents.
None of this will change without the thread of violence, and likely they’ll call on that.
The violent coup in DC a few years ago was just them telling us they were ready to be violent.
You can cause change but its very difficult to know what change will be when it happens.
The American Revolution, the violent uprising that gave these assholes governmental power, proves otherwise.
Though the ideas espoused for the revolution might be grand, the cause and motivation behind those who joined the revolution was purely monetary.
- Rich didn’t like being taxed so they made their slaves join the army.
- George Washington didn’t like the fact that the British having lost the French Indian war made a pact with the Indians which stopped his business of prospecting.
The American revolution was a war of businessmen against the government in England. The government was and is the same; in the past only rich, land owning white men could vote or form government. Now it is the corporations or rich white men.
Wasn’t saying they were good or bad. Just that revolution is violent and it works
I say this as an American. Half the “Founding Fathers” were slave owners and did not see a problem with subgrating other humans into forced labor. The American enterprise has been a business all the way back to the first white man setting foot on this continent. I guess I just proved you talking point.
“How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”
as Samuel Johnson argued during the American revolution. Apologies for unenlightened 18th-century language.
History largely proves otherwise…
Very recent history shows Republican senators are almost entirely to blame.
Time to start framing it to the idiots that the cost increase is from “kickin all the illegals off of insurance” that they were never on.
It must be frustrating to be caught between two parties, of which one is straight up evil, and the other is just spineless and craven, while both are corrupt. Honestly, y’all should just break it all down and start all over again. Your democracy is broken.
BoTh SidEs
One has a felon pedophile as president, they must be the same.
Pedo-nald being the head of the republican party is a gift to the democrats, who can’t run a fucking campaign for shit. I really wanted Kamala to win, but goddamn if she didn’t absolutely fuck it up. Between not being able to be the nominee from the start (Thanks
ObamaBiden!) and campaigning along side republicans while being rather tone deaf in her messaging did not help her cause in the slightest.Ignoring the more reasonable side’s fuckups because the other side is an active garbage dump fire is only going to push us farther along the same path. Maybe democrats will finally learn their lesson and actually campaign for the people instead of their donors. Actually run on a platform to help people, and maybe people will actually vote for them. Worked in '08, and while I’m not naive enough to fall for ‘hope and change’ again, it would be nice to feel like the person I’m voting for actually gave a fuck.
Pedo-nald being the head of the republican party is a gift to the democrats, who can’t run a fucking campaign for shit. I
Explain exactly what you mean that. I’m tired of generalities. What specifically makes you say that?
Because I thought she ran a good campaign. She was aggressive, she whipped his ass in the debate, she was willing to do interviews with friendly and hostile media organizations. She wasn’t just “not Trump”, she had a platform with a bunch of policy ideas that I guarantee a large portion of the people taking part in the discussion here on Lemmy are unaware of.
You didn’t give Harris a chance. You wanted to “punish” Democrats. All you did was make everything worse for everybody.
I’m not going to bother engaging with any of your comment other than this bit:
You didn’t give Harris a chance. You wanted to “punish” Democrats. All you did was make everything worse for everybody.
I voted for her and wanted her to win 🤡🤡🤡. Which should have been obvious if you bothered to actually read my comment.
Go back and look through my comment history and show me where any of your lazy and thoughtless accusation came from, other than me not showing unconditional approval for the Dems nominee.
I will not hold the person I vote for above scrutiny, and I only have contempt for the idiots who do.
Edit: and do you really need me to spell out how tone deaf she was supporting Israel and saying the economy was great? Or that she wasn’t the nominee for a large chunk of the race?
How about the other party was so damn foolishly incompetent they couldn’t win against a well-known racist, misogynistic, fraud, felon, and also a pedophile. See I can change the narrative too.
You love to turn it as “BoTh SidEs” when the parent comment doesn’t even equate them, shows how cultist you can be.
If you can’t go beyond taking every little criticism as an attack on your identity, equating both sides and calling them Russian bots, you kinda get what you deserve.
How about the other party was so damn foolishly incompetent they couldn’t win against a well-known racist, misogynistic, fraud, felon, and also a pedophile. See I can change the narrative too.
How about the fucking dumbasses that refused to vote for Harris and let Trump win? What’s their justification? Did they forget who Trump is? Did they forget he had more criminal trials coming?
Are they not responsible for their choice? The Democratic party MADE THEM DO THAT? What a load of fucking bullshit.
Harris beat Trump so badly in their one debate that Trump was afraid to debate again. She campaigned extensively and did a ton of interviews with friendly and unfriendly organizations.
What did Harris do that was so different from Biden, aside from her not being a white man?
I’m tired of these pathetic fucking excuses while I see the country torn apart by this fucking maniac. It’s not the party’s fault. It’s not the DNC’s fault. This time, it’s the voters fault.
Why don’t you explain to me what exactly was so horrible that it justifies 10 million less people voting for her than did for Biden just four years prior?
Because that’s something you tend to leave out when you engage in your good times diatribe circle jerks.
Republicans being worse is no excuse for democrats being dog shit. Republicans continue to lower the bar and the democrats follow them while leaving just enough space to be considered different, but what we end up with is a continual decline regardless.
Republicans being worse is no excuse for democrats being dog shit.
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself for giving Republicans a free pass like this. What a stupid fucking attitude. Way to make it plain that all of the issues you claim to care about don’t matter to you at all. Kids are getting ripped out of grade school and sent across the county, put into ICE detention and deported to fuck knows where. You try to take the moral high ground, like you care about the people now suffering? No. Absolutely not. You spit directly in the face of those people just so you could “stick it to the man” like a high school freshman. Pathetic. And you think Harris was that much WORSE than this?
You acted like there was only one person in the race,. The choice is which side you think better benefits your views. Do you understand? Anything less means you don’t care about those views. You DO NOT get to claim you care about those issues when you ACTIVELY make their situations significantly worse. It is just fucking beyond stupid and irresponsible to equate a serious and capable politician with a con man, carnival barker, convicted felon pedophile. THAT is what you helped bring to power. You’re a Trump supporter. You don’t get to pretend that reality isn’t the way it is.
Did you defeat the two party system, champ? No, you didn’t. Good job.
There is no logical way to argue that Trump and his psychotic policies and sheer incompetence is in any way comparable, let alone BETTER THAN Harris. It’s non-sensical bullshit. You fucking selfish assholes spend all your time in echo chambers doing things like bemoaning “Biden’s crime bill” while being sure to NEVER mention that Sanders voted for that same bill. That doesn’t jive with your propaganda though, does it? I believe I also heard Sanders make positive comments about Trump’s immigration policy, isn’t it funny how that never comes up in your echo chambers? You’re not interested in truth, you don’t care about Bernie Sanders. You don’t care about what Bernie Sanders stands for.
Guess who Sanders told you vote for? Guess who has never claimed he was “cheated”? Bernie Sanders has integrity and understands that some progress is ALWAYS better than drastic regression. You do not have integrity, you have no real beliefs, you’re in the liberal personality cult and you morons will be a stain on Bernie’s legacy. History will remember your dedication to him when you outright refused his voting suggestion. When you told him you’d rather have Trump because, somehow in your convoluted fucked-up mind, that signals loyalty to Bernie. It doesn’t. You stabbed Bernie in the back and set back progress on issues he cares about for decades if not worse. Amazing you agree with everything he says, EXCEPT THAT.
Not even a fucking SINGLE year in to Trump’s term and it is already an unmitigated disaster. You own a small amount of responsibility. I don’t. It’s not my fault for voting for the Democratic candidate. I didn’t make you sit out. YOU are the only one responsible for your decision. Now you want sit here and act like the Democrats “made you do it”? No, you made an incredibly stupid decision that you can’t even remotely justify. You threw a hissy fit because you didn’t get exactly what you wanted.
You’re right. LOSING to a known rapist is even worse.
I swear they play a game of chicken with the voters every fucking election. How shitty can they get away with being and still win the election. Well they openly snubbed their base and lost.
The establishment Democrats really are just controlled opposition. They’d rather throw an election than move to the left.
Go ahead explain how “shitty” Harris was, essentially a younger Biden, someone you had no problem voting for just 4 years prior.
Let’s hear it. Let’s hear, specifically, why you think she would be worse than Trump. I’m so sick of people acting like Harris was the only one in the election. Voting or refusing to vote to “punish” a party is childish and obviously counterproductive. It makes it clear that your so dearly held beliefs are nothing more than props.
Biden is a pile of shit and I hated voting for him.
Yeah, not sure why they assume I had “no problem” voting for Biden. I did so rather begrudgingly.
They are making rather ridiculous assumptions in their comment. No one is talking specifically about Harris other than them.
Got any oil?
Personally, I am so thankful that we are on the cusp of the extinction of the oil and gas industry.
The world deserves better than us.
I’m sure Schumer’s brow is extra furrowed today.
Glasses just dangling off the tip of his nose.
I wouldn’t worry about Chuck S.'s glasses running out of nose length.
That’s awfully antisemenetic of you
me thinks it was about him being a liar tho.
methinks the long. hooked nose is anti-Semitic stereotype.
I’m aware. I think you guys misread what I said though
dang i need better glasses
It’s OK. Stoned jokes are hit or miss and sobriety says this one was a miss
I’m sure he’ll be having frantic conversations with the
split personalitiesalternate identitiesmental fabrications of the “median voter” he’s constructed in his head.That’s not really a joke, for nearly two decades now, he basically invented multiple, imagined “median voters” in his head, gave them complex backstories, frequently refers to them as if they are real, frequently cites “conversations” he has with them, in writing, to justify/explain his thinking process.
Hooray for the gerontocracy, long live decree by dementia!
Schumer didn’t vote to end the shut down.
Goddamn, misinformation is fucking rampant here. You guys don’t even remotely care about the truth, do you? You just want everything to confirm your biases.
If Schumer doesn’t want to be blamed for the Democrats caving then he shouldn’t be minority leader.
So the argument isn’t that he caved. The argument is that he doesn’t have total control over other Senators?
That’s stupid as fuck. He can’t control other Senators, you fucking dumbass. Senators are responsible to their constituency, not the informal party leader.
The fact that you guys NEVER list the eight Democrats that actually did vote to end it and ONLY put the blame on Schumer, despite that making no sense, is ridiculous. It’s plainly obvious that the truth does not matter to you. Schumer did exactly what you said you wanted him to do but now you’re crucifying him anyway because he’s the “evil establishment” Democrat. You picked sides LONG before this, you never had any intention of judging Schumer fairly.
Schumer negotiated the deal, scheduled the vote, and arranged for enough Senators not facing election in 2026 so he could vote against it.
Schumer negotiated the deal,
That is an absolute fucking lie. You should be ashamed of yourself, intentionally spreading misinformation like this, We get enough of that from the right.
Zero proof for any of your convenient assertions.
I wish those glasses could get embedded in his skull in multiple jagged pieces.
GOOD thing the Democrats SHUT DOWN the Government for This!
Don’t worry, they’ll get another chance to do it again in January.
This time it’ll be different, I bet!
Look look look, we just gotta keep taking the moral high road and meeting them in the middle. Eventually they’ll help us out. They can’t keep pulling the football like Lucy with Charlie Brown EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Actually they ended the shut down for this.
NOT true! They COULD have Ended the Shutdown BEFORE the 40 Days and had the EXACT SAME outcome! But they CHOSE to Shut Down the Government INSTEAD!
