Yeah I’m switch off Firefox finally. I tried Floorp it does have some the same AI stuff you have to turn off. Waterfox doesn’t have it in at all. So Waterfox it is.
Floorp
I don’t think I will ever be able to pass past this name. It’s a name of something that sci-fi comedic cartoon will create for a passing joke.
Feels like ‘plumbus’
I actually use floorp. It’s literally the most customizable Firefox fork. It’s the only Firefox fork that allows me to have my tab bar exactly correct the way I want it.
But yeah name’s stupid. I kind of love it though. It’s so non-serious
It’s also a good verb. “I’ll floorp it later”. “Send me the link, I’ll floorp it to myself”.
Does it support profiles? If so, I’ll give it a floorp, just to see how it floorps.
For future readers, yes, Floorp is a real browser
Honestly the way they (by default) change home tab background for each visit is absolutely adorable.
All my 'puters have Water, Wolf, and Floo.
Waterfox is my favorite for sure, very lightweight too.
Discord doesn’t like it when it comes to voice-chat in the Android app, sadly (even though I know we should all leave Discord, but Revolt and Matrix can barely hold candles to the flame of its incredibly sophisticated streaming system), but yes, I’ve been on Waterfox for some time now.
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The toot does explain nothing!!!
Why is the hammer there?
EDIT: /s people… I am totally tired today I forgot to add it…
Awww, you’re so confuuused! I jus wanna squeeze ya 🥰
I think you meant to type “Why is the hammer there?”, so I’ll explain that:
“Hitting your penis with a hammer” is a metaphor for doing something obviously terrible. In this case, chasing the latest fad of the month, AI.
free bottom surgery :3
tbf, firefox left the room years ago.
OK, what happened?
I really hope Firefox gets forked, and ends up like OpenOffice
waterfox has been pretty good for me
zipzap your wish is granted:
LibreWolf is not a fork, though. It’s a customised version of FF, so every shit they introduce has to be painstakingly removed by the LW team, provided that is even possible. (See Manifest V3 in Chrome.)
It’s literally impossible to maintain a modern browser without extreme funding and competent engineers
It’s not “literally” impossible, but it’s damn close.
LibreWolf is not a fork, though.
They duplicate the code, creating a “fork” under their control, and make independent changes to the code. That is all that is needed to satisfy the “fork” definition.
Interesting, because there is no mention of that anywhere on their website. Indeed, the workflow overview in their source repo clearly states that in order to build LibreWolf, you need the current Firefox source tree, and this is reflected in the Makefile, which fetches the Firefox source tarball associated with the same version. Nothing points to a repository they created at any prior point.
Can you link to some official statement that supports this claim?
there is no mention of that anywhere on their website.
A custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom.
This project is a custom and independent version of Firefox, …
LibreWolf is a free and open-source fork of Firefox, …
They take Firefox, make changes to it, then release it. As such, it is a fork. More specifically a “soft fork” since they continue to pull changes from upstream (Firefox).
EDIT: Oh I see you’re focused on the “duplication of the code” part. A bad phrasing on my part. It doesn’t matter the specifics of how they pull in the source code, it is pulled in and used as the basis for librewolf’s modifications.
They could even pull it in on first launch and compile the latest version of Firefox with their modifications for subsequent launches and it would by all means be a fork, since they are shipping a modified version.
I hope they consider making a hard fork in light of this news. I use it and it’s great. Perfect sweetspot of privacy, simplicity and “power tools”. Many people might not want the default automatic cookie clearing on exit, but you can easily disable it or, better yet, whitelist domains you want to stay logged into.
Theres a bazillion forks
A bazillion understaffed forks ranging from unusable because they have more tinfoil hats than developers, and unusable because the single developer doesn’t understand why remote debugging shouldn’t be enabled by default.
I tried Florp or whatever and it just kept crashing. Went back to good old FF real fast.
LibreWolf has been really solid for me
The issue is not the code, is all the infrastructure needed to develop something as heavy as a browser, which is what they have captive
Definitely we need a fork that’s independent of Mozilla with a real non profit organisation behind, and these days we also need a permanent non-profit clause.
Can you elaborate on infrastructure part? I thought dev efforts are the key issue?

Firefox has many excellent forks already.
“AI should always be a choice—something people can easily turn off." “It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.”
How does he not get how contradictory these positions sound. Really a missed opportunity to brand themselves as the browser without AI bullshit and gain users who want to get away from that crap. Sure, they promise it’ll have an off switch, but even if that’s true, they’re still wasting a lot of their very limited budget pursuing it. Really shows where their priorities are.
Also, it’s already not true. You can turn AI off, but not in the regular settings - you need to enter about:config and search for “browser.ml”. Anything that’s only available in about:config is not “easy” for the average user, and “browser.ml” isn’t exactly an intuitive name, either.
At least they seem commited to keep it a choice instead of the mandatory crap that pops up everywhere. Choice is fine, and maybe it helps to get Firefox back onto peoples computers so they keep their seat at the table when important decisions regarding the web are made.
New CEO promises to bring AI to Firefox
Mozilla names insider Enzor-DeMeo as CEO, looks to add AI features to Firefox
New CEO Enzor-DeMeo brings out hammer and cock with the promise smack Mozilla’s cock with a hammer and ruin everything.
Save us
LadybirdServo, you’re our only hope.What about Servo?
still mozilla
edit: I get it, stop replying
Not since 2020 when Mozilla laid them off. They are now with the Linux Foundation Europe and they accept donations.
You can’t tell me what to do :3
Nope, Mozilla gave up on Servo in 2020. It‘s now governed by the Linux Foundation Europe.
Servo hasn’t had anything to do with mozilla for five years
Any good browsers that use it available yet?
Too bad it’s made by someone who promotes ‘great replacement’ theory and stands with fascists.
Are we supposed to only use products and services from people whom we agree with completely on their full set of personal beliefs?
Yes. I can and I will. You cannot stop me, I am mad with power.
I hate to be the one to tell you this. If you mostly agree with a fascist, maybe that’s a sign of something. And yes, shaming fascists is in fact, a good thing.
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I have this person tagged as a fascist so…this tracks
Mobile app? I don’t see a tag option on my desktop. I’m pretty sure I used to tag people a lot when I used that other site.
When it concerns fascism? How the fuck do you even dare to ask that question?
This is a pretty gnarly one to just ignore.
Yeah, great replacement isnt an “Oh well, let’s just agree to disagree” type of thing.
No, but why get behind a fascist sympathiser when a better project exists: servo.org.
Moving to a technically better project is a no brainer
Just a bit of fascism, as a treat?
So what alternative do you suggest?
Zen Browser, open source Firefox fork
Just got it on play store, there’s an ad everytime I open it?
Zen Browser is not even on Android. The one in the Play Store is not what they’re talking about.
Thanks for clarifying. As much as I love open source, I’ll still want something that can offer a similar experience on both desktop and mobile. For anyone else like me, I’d suggest Waterfox.
Holy hell. I knew about the gender neutral pronouns debacle. Didn’t know there are more…
Lemmy isn’t much better.
Edit: If people don’t know what I’m referring to, this comment sums it up well.
What are you talking about? Any links?
I’m not disagreeing, I just haven’t heard this about Lemmy yet
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works is a good resource
.ml is a tankie instance. The main Lemmy dev is an admin on there, and is definitely a tankie.
His username is also a fascist dictator, iirc.
Eh, it’s more complicated, it’s a Haitian revolutionary and the first emperor of Haiti post-revolution. (Functionally a dictatorship)
He killed most of the remaining colonists, enforced plantation labor, and was overthrown after like 2-3 years, but a lot of haiti now remembers him mostly for abolishing slavery and there’s a lot of revisionism or justification for his worse acts.
So like its hard to know what someone who likes him knows / thinks about him.
“abolished slavery”, “enforced plantation labor”
uh… this really sounds like one of those “pick one” moments.
This is whataboutery.
Multiple things can be shitty at the same time though…
Everything is shitty, just different shades. 50 shades of shit.
How? You’re denigrating a product made by a fascist on a product made by a fascist.
One of the reasons I switched to a PieFed server. I’ve been happy with the switch though, it feels generally smoother in my browser as well. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse. Even on a whole different platform, I’m still able to participate in this discussion hosted on a Lemmy server.
But on Lemmy I can block the devs and all of .ml
That’s user choice baby
On Ladybird, you can block yourself from supporting the devs
And I’m pro-choice!
-creates new account and then blocks own primary-
I’m actually not sure what you’re trying to say tbh. Sorry I’m dumb.
You’re not dumb, I made a bad joke. I could explain the joke over a few paragraphs, but it still won’t be funny. In fact, you’d hate it more for having to read that context. Suffice to say, my ADHD internal dialog jumped from idea to idea until I vomited out something that made me chuckle in the moment.
Sorry, your confusion was collateral damage from my mental explosion.
lol no you’re good
Go grab some adhd meds, my treat
There is the part where moderation tools seem almost intentionally left out. This place is almost as open to manipulation as 4chan.
Remember when 4chan used to be progressive, libertarian, (uh, and racist)?
Rememver when 4chan used to be progressive
If it ever was, it had to have happened sometime in the middle of its existence, cuz it sure as hell wasn’t that when it launched and sure as hell isn’t that now.
It was before and during the time of “Anonymous the Hacker known as 4chan”.
And yeah, my point was that it was easy to manipulate into being a far-right Nazi hellhole, instead of, you know, a more progressive (but still racist) and libertarian hellhole.
Alternative and progressive used to be more synonymous
Kind of was progressive, issue is that Moot thought it was a good idea to give the nazis their own place, where they begun radicalizing each other, and even planned harassment campaigns.
And even then, a lot of “4chan progressives” only learned the concept of harassment campaigns, which they turned into what many call “cancel culture”. I’m not saying that all callouts are bad, but often people don’t want to resolve it in private, the “resolve it in private” for the callouter means the other ceases all online presence after a dox threat in private, or at worst it’s being used to get rid of an annoying creator they hated. Often all with the old 4chan-style “you can lie a little bit or more as long as you manage to control the narrative” mentality. Not to mention that the right figured out they can manipulate leftists into toxic callout campaigns.
Also if you ever seen a person saying “why don’t we give a shitton of antidepressants for gender dysphoria instead of hormones?”, that was either a former 4chan progressive, or was influenced by one, since a lot of people who became “mental health positive” due to Project Chanology usually did in a very performative opposition to Scientology’s anti-psychiatry.

Since the comment you were responding to was edited to strike out “Ladybird” and write “Servo” instead, would you mind editing your comment to clarify you are talking about Ladybird and not Servo?
Just disable the feature or use one of the great Firefox forks like Librewolf or Waterfox. Maybe even Iceweasel.
I swapped for librewolf and enjoy all my shit still there. With ungoogled chromium for those sites that has some insane reason for the site breaking down when you look at it with anything but a missionary get. Trying helium too but yeah my Firefox is customized out the wazoo
Gallagher and his sledge-o-matic have entered the chat
I can’t contain my excitement for the new modern AI browser, Microzilla Firepilot (stolen from phoronix). Best of all, every AI functionality is opt-out, so you don’t have to waste time turning them all on.
Google’s browser will be left in the dust!!!
Now that is innovation. Good job, new Firefox CEO.
They just can’t help themselves, eh?
That’s why I use Internet Explorer 7
LibreWolf looks good these days.
As there seems to have been recent confusion about this, just a quick “official” toot to then pin: we haven’t and won’t support “generative AI” related stuff in LibreWolf. If you see some features like that (like Perplexity search recently, or the link preview feature now) it is solely because it “slipped through”. As soon as we become aware of something like this / it gets reported to us, we will remove/disable it ASAP.
Can it sync my password and history from Mozilla’s servers? I’d switch in a heartbeat.
Yep. Is basically a firefox stripped from junk. Just remember is very stick on privacy, if something is not visible or some pics don’t upload, you just have to enable the site permission from the icon in the navigation bar.
The only reason I use Firefox is because it has my chaterbate password saved on it and I can’t remember it.
you can see all passwords saved in firefox.
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