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      • darthelmet@lemmy.world
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        I think I get it and kind of share a similar belief. Most people are “good,” although I’d use a less morally relative term to describe it: Pro-social. People tend to behave in a way that works well with others. This makes sense if you think about it without getting caught up in all the “humans bad” philosopher stuff. One of our defining features as a species is our ability to work together. We form communities, developed languages to communicate, cultural norms and laws to create agreed upon guides on how we behave towards each other, etc. We wouldn’t have gotten this far if we were always stabbing each other in the backs.

        At the same time, there are some unfortunate behaviors and phenomenon that emerge out of these dynamics. In group/out group thinking, an unwillingness to change things if it means causing disunity with the community, etc. And while I think most people are good, there are different people with different personalities, and clearly we have at least some psychopaths who are willing to exploit peoples’ natures for their own gain. Also, circumstances can create constraints on how people behave. If you can’t afford to be altruistic, you might end up acting in a selfish way, although even then that’s not always the case.

        The fact that you can look out into the world and feel bad about all the people who are getting hurt, even if you aren’t personally affected, should already tell you that there is this “ goodness” to most of humanity. Otherwise a) you wouldn’t care and b) all those bad people would deserve it anyway. So that is the hope that keeps me from full on nihilism. Unfortunately I also think that there are a lot of other factors in place which make it increasingly unlikely that we’ll be able to organize enough to survive. Wealth disparities and technological asymmetry allows those handful of psychos to wield a lot of power and it’s getting harder and harder to fight back against that.

        So yeah, I don’t think “people are doomed even if most of them have good intentions” is that contradictory of a view to hold.

      • Occam’s razor? Maybe their growth in belief in people’s stupidity explains why their belief in human goodness increased. Instead, they just believe people are incompetent rather than willfully bad? Curious what the mechanism for it looking like a titration curve is though.

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      9 months ago

      the awful big caused the local good to come out here. my community is weird for a lot of ways i refuse to specify for reasons

    • rucksack@feddit.org
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      9 months ago

      I assume the opposite, OP is actually meeting people in real life and touching grass, instead of doomscrolling and talking to clankers online.

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    9 months ago

    Funny, the thing I believe less and less in as I age is human goodness. Must be a generational thing.

    Also, gravity seems to be increasing every morning.

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      9 months ago

      Human goodness and society are two different things. There are many great people that do amazing things that don’t it for credit or recognition or money. Most go unnoticed.

      Society on the other hand is crazy and greedy.

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        Society’s goodness is the average of all the individuals’ goodness that compose it. If society is bad, that means a majority of the people are bad, and some are a lot worse than the minority who are better than the average. It’s not a good outlook.

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    9 months ago

    For me the society’s ability not to destroy itself is at an all time high, but my light blue would be 'the idea that society is sophisticated and high functioning’

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        Getting older and seeing that it hasn’t happened yet xD

        I now see the checks and balances in place to prevent society from actually destroying itself. Everything is more managed/controlled than you’d think it is, in a typical “western country” like the USA or Britain.

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          You dont see the coordinated efforts of several right-wing billionaires to influence elections and public thought through corruption and social media, as well as the actions of private equity firms swallowing up any market that lets them, raising the prices on basic things like food and housing… all that, doesn’t frighten you?

          I hope you’re right, but I feel like we’re barely prepared for what’s coming next.

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            The point is that they do see all this, but it hasn’t died yet, which means it’s stronger than initially believed.

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    9 months ago

    Your belief in Santa went up? I mean, as long as it helps you avoid the “naughty list”, I guess that’s alright, lol.

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    9 months ago

    Every year I believe that my faith in humanity can’t get any lower. And every year I’m proven wrong.

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    9 months ago

    Anyone whose “ghosts” isn’t at zero, as an adult, is someone I’m not going to be trusting on any subject.

    Ditto “aliens”, if we interpret it as “extraterrestrials that have been to Earth”.

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      9 months ago

      My friends cousins are all convinced they saw ghosts when they were kids. They also had an uncle who frequently played tricks on them. These two things are unrelated apparently

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      hey, i have a ghost that lives in my microwave.

      first a few things you should know. my entire town was built on an american indian burial ground. like, starting in the 70s they’d have the tribe come out for every new development and help relocate artifacts to [redacted fuck you i ain’t telling] and our house is legit burial ground. not cursed burial ground or anything. anyways we have this ghost that turns on our microwave from time to time, seemingly randomly. I named him Smudgy, because we have one of those touchscreen control thingies and i noticed he’s active whenever someone with greasy fingers has been using the microwave. and he’s really easy to shut up with a soapy washcloth.

      i “believe” in ghosts. it’s harmless fun.

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        my entire town was built on an american indian burial ground

        I see why would you believe in ghosts

        he’s active whenever someone with greasy fingers has been using the microwave. and he’s really easy to shut up with a soapy washcloth.

        huh

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      I don’t believe in ghosts or the supernatural, but I’ve visited sites where America massacred Native Americans and enslaved Africans. What I felt and experienced there can only be described as haunting. Brains do weird things in stressful situations. I get why some people give too much legitimacy to their hallucinations. They can be chilling, compelling, convincing, formative, and even beneficial.

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      9 months ago

      My opinions on the subject are entirely opposite of yours, but I think we might agree that the two lines should actually meet and become “are aliens ghosts?”

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      Real adulthood is knowing there’s no logical way to unconditionally prove those particular negatives. What you do with that information is another discussion. Also if anybody is interested in reading up in an absolutely fascinating phenomenon, this was a topic that came up during my hospice / palliative care rotations.

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        End-of-life visions are Santa cosplaying as people’s dead relatives, as he’s known to only be visible to those he wishes to be visible to

        And, of course, as a real adult you know there is no logical way to unconditionally disprove this particular statement about Santa

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          Fuck that’s stupid, how the hell could you believe in that kind of incoherent nonsense?

          It’s not Santa, you fucking dolt, he doesn’t exist, it’s Mothman. For fuck’s sake.

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            Now this answer I will take. Me and my husband have matching booty shorts that say “goblin” and “mothman” on the respective derrieres.

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        No one’s asking anyone to prove a negative, there’s just zero case for a positive.

        You can not believe in ghosts because there’s zero evidence they exist and compassionately support someone at the end of their life who’s experiencing deathbed visions at the same rime

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      Ditto “aliens”, if we interpret it as “extraterrestrials that have been to Earth”.

      This is an important distinction.

      100% chance there is extraterrestrial life out there somewhere

      0% chance any of it has come to visit

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        0% chance any of it has come to visit

        0% chance any intelligent aliens have come to visit. There is a non-0% chance that there have been some microbes on an asteroid. There are some variations on the panspermia theory that suggest that life didn’t even originate in this star system. There’s no evidence for any of it of course but it’s possible.