The Microsoft Store is impressively bad. So many random errors that don’t give any helpful information that are impossible to fix.
Installed Vivaldi and Brave from the MS Store on work laptop from the official pages. Got a Trojan in each that IT had to remove. Yeah no
Couldn’t install iTunes because my clock was wrong. That certainly wasn’t the ERROR I was presented with, but was ultimately the root cause.
That, coincidentally, was the very same evening that I decided to and did uninstall windows on that machine.
It’s probably because TLS uses your system clock to validate certificates. If your clock doesn’t match the server you’re connecting to, TLS fails and you get an “https failed/connection is insecure” error. And Windows likely uses https in the store to ensure MITM attacks can’t replace valid downloads with malicious ones.
I understand the mechanism, and why it is important.
I don’t understand why the error message from the store was nothing more than an error code, and why the MSKB for that code had absolutely no mention of a failed ssl negotiation as a possible cause.
Time->TLS errors aren’t handled well anywhere.
As critical as they are to 2fa and TLS, you’d think every OS out there would poke around a few time servers and scream bloody murder if the time was off.
Honestly, I think we, as a society, have leaned a little too hard into time as a precise critical failure point. It’s fine for things like GPS that actually require it. but our clocks don’t need to be precisely the same to tell how recent a request and response are and we can certainly make better hashing algos
wget will give you a sniff of what the problem is. Microsoft Store will not.
I don’t NEED an application to necessarily pinpoint the error. Just even a rough direction. Any browser will explicitly tell you if there is a cert issue. That’s more than enough to go on.
I have no idea who thought it would be a good idea to give an error code to a user in Hexadecimal form, with no other information.
An error occurred: 0x 80070003
is hardly helpful at all.
Oddly enough, giving the general public exact error messages ends up costing you in support and reputation.
They obscure the messages because the inexperienced masses start digging up red herrings. Knowledge to someone with zero experience causes a lot of confusion.
The experienced and capable users look up the codes and think about it for a minute, check their vpn, maybe a health dashboard, maybe reboot.
Just about every complex machine out there give error codes instad of real messages, even when they have large displays capable of telling you exactly what the condition is.
You see, the problem is, that you try to open the Terminal on Windows Home or Pro. Personal use doesn’t include advanced features like Terminal access. Please upgrade to a Windows Enterprise License to continue to be able to use the Terminal.
Alternatively you may try using Copilot to run commands and change system settings in a text based environment.
/s
Finally, a use for my backups based on FreeFileSync
wipes entire drive
installs linux mint
Now where the fuck did I put that nice start menu icon creation GUI app…
At this point I’m not even sure this truly is sarcasm
Its 2026 and the windows app store still doesn’t work, some things never change.
Linux master race!
not just use, people still pay for this shit
Its a work device so I’m signed in like a good little corporate peon, still they manage to fuck it up.
Then your IT has blocked use of the terminal for your account.
This isn’t a Microsoft issue (except for the useless error message).Not really. Today at work that error appeared to me. As a software developer of course I have access to terminal, I use it every day.
I just closed the message and opened the terminal again, and it worked.
This is Microsoft’s fault, not any other’s.
What do you get when your search “terminal”? My home rig defaults to PowerShell, but I likely changed something years ago.
The terminal
In a previous company, they roled out their update every few months. Every time, it closed all the ports we need to actually work. Make ticket, wait until IT got around to it, tell people no connection means no work. Those were the days to update documentation.
That’s an assumption
I’m a Windows sysadmin, this is the exact explanation. The only other thing, and this is going way out on a limb, is that terminal was installed through the Windows Store and something related is busted. I’ve never even heard of a company utilizing the Store for installations.
Others have already provided links to the GitHub issue detailing this bug and a Microsift employee confirming this indeed seems to be a micrsoft error although another team than the terminal one as it also affects multiple other programs such as the screengrab tool and notepad.
One of those comments can be found here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/23913723
Its possible the IT admin misconfigured but blocking the terminal or the store would not make sense at this company since most employees need them on a daily basis.
Update: most definitely a microsoft issue https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/19764
Never! Couldn’t possibly be M$’s fault! It’s definitely somehow your IT department!
I mean, it is.
They should have used Linux.
/s
Beautiful bug report
Expected Behaviour:
It would be pretty nice, if the terminal would open
That’s definitely an issue with your IT department. My work Windows laptop came with the terminal accessible.
Yea and Usain Bolt can run real fast and you can’t
You got problems buddy
I mean I was able to open the terminal just fine a few hours ago
Maybe they’ve updated their security policies? Could be to prevent users from installing unapproved software via winget, etc.
I have definitely never done that myself, if anyone asks …
It’s a MS issue, not isolated
OP’s company has good opsec.
Could be part of an ISMS framework for ISO 27001, too. Just went through the latest round of audits at my workplace, with SOC 2 and ISO 27001 being the most recent. Think I aged 15 years this time around.
I’m guessing this is a misleading post? Probably a random app in the store that’s called “terminal” that is broken and the actual windows command prompt is working fine.
I maintain over a hundred windows 11 machines. I recently push new software that I had to manually configure on each machine. While doing this I checked for problems. Over half had terminal and other programs like notepad installed separately. All the machines are in a domain environment but windows 11 ignores many of the GPO’s I have in place. Its pathetic and just a reason to have to do more work. So I have no problem believing that terminal had been installed and then disabled due to some microsoft account nonsense.
We use Windows 11 at work. One of the desktops has an error where you can log in but windows displays a notification to the effect of “You’re not logged in, your settings and app preference aren’t available.”
Other than Edge most of the built in programs don’t work. No errors, no notifications – clicking the icon to open them does nothing. Notepad, file explorer, etc.
Can confirm this is an actual issue from Microsoft impacting lots of normal system apps that update via the Microsoft Store and/or Windows Update.
I’ve seen it mess up Notepad, Snipping Tool to name a few.
It’s pretty egregious that a bug like this can mess up utilities already installed on your computer.
Windows is really feeling like a single-player video game that requires an always on connection.
Source: I’m an IT professional who has been helping people with this since yesterday.
More source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/5729246/how-to-fix-error-code-0x803f8001
What’s the actual fuck Microsoft
They’re preparing to rent people desktop access over the internet. Gotta trim up that you don’t own shit store code.
Is that the same update that broke Windows App* authentication?
* their idiotic name for the new remote desktop
Hating windows is the ultimate karma farm here on Lemmy. If you can somehow hate windows and Trump in one post, expect to see that shit at the top.
Lemmy doesn’t have karma
He should have said “dopamine farm for, number go up”
Semantic bullshit is another big karma farm here too. I could’ve said updoots, arrows, upvotes. Whatever pleases the Lemmings.
The unified number of combined points (what is refereed as Karma) doesn’t exist on Lemmy. There is some point system comment-by-comment, but it’s not unified. You can’t farm what doesn’t exist.
A bit more than a semantics, isn’t it?
Command prompt is slowly becoming legacy. Microsoft wants powershell to be its successor thus Terminal was born.
terminal does support a bunch of different shells, including cmd
99% of people just use their OS as a browser frontend. They don’t care about freedom, privacy, security, etc. They will just use whatever OS comes pre-installed. Thats why Linux’s greatest success on the desktop/laptop market as been ChromeOS. Not because it’s any better than Pop_OS!, Debian, etc. It’s literally just that ChromeOS comes preinstalled.
It’s true that most people just want instant on functionality with no need for major changes beyond colors and backgrounds. Totally fine too, for many that’s all they need. But as a “power user”, which would mean anyone that needs more than a portable browser, I was very disappointed to find that’s all that ChromeOS is (twas a used one in the family). And then when I researched putting actual Linux on it so it could do more… good god they locked that shit down hard. Not even worth that rabbit hole. And that was the intent of Google.
So the power user uses Linux.
The casual user uses ChromeOS (shitty Linux). Or preferably something like Pop_OS!, but I’m being unrealistic with this.
I see no problem here. You could replace pretty much everyone’s pre-installed OS with ChromeOS or Linux (or macOS I guess if they like MacBooks) and I don’t think most people would mind.
I have only ever seen someone use windows because they HAD to, not because they want to. Either they game, they use a software only on windows, it came pre-installed on their laptop and they don’t know or can’t bother to learn how to flash an ISO on a USB stick, etc.
I am completely fine with, and in fact am grateful for, the enshitification of windows 11. It will push more and more people to Linux. The enshitification of windows 8 is what made Steam shift from windows to SteamOS. I’m sure future enshitification will do just that: make people question why they are using windows in the first place.
Most chromebooks can be put into a dev mode(which requires factory reset…) in order to install a new OS on it. I have done it a few times.
being said, with how low power they are, they can’t really do much but what chromeos can do.
The early ones were easier. The one I had needed to do some mess with a grounding screw and some other stuff that I forgot (there are websites dedicated to the procedure guidelines and which requires what), and like you say, it’s not going to be able to do much anyway. Such a contrast with throwing Kubuntu on an old MacBook, and 10 minutes later it was better than new.
there are some gems though that are more capable. some are worth installing linux onto
When my ex’s grandparents needed a new computer I got them a chrome OS all in 1.
When I started dating her in 2013 her parents were paying for AOL like $25 a month. They also had cable Internet. Saved them like $1500 on paying for AOL because they thought they needed to pay to access the email.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Still, I’ve had so many “last straw” moments with Windows that would make me consider Linux even if I was not familiar with it at all. It baffles me that there are relatively few people who give it a shot.
I suppose a lot of people just don’t want to or don’t have time to learn something new.
I’ve hit my last straw moment today trying to remove the setting forcing my password to change on a laptop that I fucking own. Windows 11 has disabled pretty much all user management features of local accounts now unless you’re signed into Microsoft and link your accounts.
Fucking bullshit.
I just need a spare weekend or two to make the swap now and throw wine on it for the games I play that refuse to run on Linux.
Don’t use Wine directly, just use launcher UIs, such as Steam for Steam store games and Heroic Launcher or Lutris for games not from the Steam store.
You do need Wine installed, but if you use launchers you don’t actually need to figure Wine out or manage it to install and run the vast majority of games unless you’re doing unusual stuff like running pirated games.
Much appreciated! This helps give me more confidence to move to Linux :) :)
I picked up a separate SSD to install linux on so I can dual boot for the moment if needed, and then eventually recover my windows drive and turn it into extra storage for my linux drive.
I just need a spare weekend or two to make the swap now and throw wine on it for the games I play that refuse to run on Linux.
if your primary storefront is via steam, you likely won’t even need to manage wine, steam will do that for you as part of the install process. You can use something like protonup or something to get GE editions of proton but, honestly it mostly works right off the gate.
Just be aware that proton can have conflicts if you try to use it on NTFS drives, you’ll need to manually specify UID and GID for the drive (via fstab or however you manage mounting drives) or you’ll get permission errors that won’t actually say what they are unless you ran steam via the terminal.
Unfortunately the games I’d need wine for don’t run through steam and have their own launchers ☹️
But good to know for my steam library at least.
There’s a high probability that it will work if you simply run the launcher through steam. Honestly it’s impressive what you can throw at it and it just works ™.
Only thing to look out for is the installation path when you run installers that way, with all the virtual filesystems and stuff. Haven’t encountered a single game that didn’t run since the switch, be it pirated, gog or steam
Try Lutris or Heroic Launcher as those two wrap around Wine (and everything else needed to run Windows games in Linux, such as DXVK) and manage the whole process for you, with only a few games which might need tweaking the config to run (and the fraction of games like that is no worse there than it is in Steam).
I use both Steam and Lutris and in my experience Steam is not at all a good launcher for anything other than games from the Steam store, mainly because it is less configurable and because it doesn’t directly expose the tools you need to use to fix those few games that won’t just run and limits the launch options you can tweak, whilst Lutris follows the Unofficial Open Source Credo of pretty much making it possible to configure everything (though Lutris specifically defaults to the best configuration for each game, but it definitelly gives you more than enough rope to hang yourself with)
Steam is very popular because of the Steam Store market dominance so tons of people swear by it (never having used anything else), but it’s not actually the greatest option for anything but steam games and even for those, sometimes it’s worse that getting the same game from GoG and using Lutris or Heroic, mainly because the DRM in the non-GoG version of some games interferes with running them in Linux.
I want to add onto this that if you’re choosing between Lutris and Heroic, you should probably go heroic. I personally use Lutris myself, Mostly because I prefer the UI design of it. However, heroic does have a faster update cycle, while having built in support of Amazon gaming, epic games(including experimental cloud support) and gog, and doesn’t have the bugs that Lutris has. Especially when it comes to trying to run GE layers through it.
Trying to get those first party storefronts to work on Lutris is, for lack of better words, a pain in the ass. I’m only still using it out of pure stubbornness because, like I said, I much prefer the overall layout.
No need to figure out WINE. Steam will figure it out for you. Just click the Play button.
Linux today is VERY different from Linux 10 years ago. The switch won’t take a whole weekend like it did for me when I first tried Linux many years ago. Just install something like Linux Mint (the most user friendly and stable Linux distro) and the set up will be as easy as something like windows or macos. You never have to touch the terminal if you don’t want to.
I recently tried to install librewolf onto a W11 machine from the windows store. It won’t even launch that. Not even an error or nothing just gone.
don’t use the windows store, when not required you can never know what else they package into your apps. google and amazon’s android app stores do this, the latter is even open about adding tracking libs to apps
Well that’s the thing, it’s a pc I’m required to use and it got everything else behind administrators password if you catch my drift. (If I had my way it would be Linux)
For now I’ll have to make due with a ff that I tweak by hand where I can.
Don’t be too mean, but make sure your admin feels the heat.
Linux is good enough for the desktop for a fuckton of businesses. gentle pressure may get us there in a generatiohn or two
if it helps, I installed it today using winget which I liked.
What you already paid money for your OS? Fuck that. Help us sell your data for basic functionality too.
Don’t worry. Your company will transition to VDIs and everything will always be perfect. /s
Cancel Microsoft 🤷♀️
Alternatively,
Installed POP OS. Connect the Nintendo switch to my laptop using MTP. Double click the file folder. Crashes.
Decide to just reset to see if it would fix it. The laptop loops at the authentication screen infinitely. Used a PC to transfer files instead.
Reformat and install Fedora Workstation since Lenovo ships with it. Installed Anydesk and Rustdesk and Wayland is extremely laggy and the hot keys do not transfer to the remote computer.
I think my next step is to install an xorg OS.
That combination of errors sounds suspiciously like hardware problems.
MTP crash, unexpected but not overly so, it’s old code. Authentication issues post reboot on error is super sus.
Wayland can be a little slow, but it seems to be ok for all of my ancient candidates. Keymaps kind of expected, that’s the kind of stuff that wayland is actually not great at yet.
Put that all together, I’d say you have something going on with the box.
It’s not hardware. Fedora workstation worked for the MTP.
I have multiple computers connections at once using Anydesk and Wayland is basically broken. Alt tab never transfers to the remote computer.
I love how every comment tells you to use a different distro lol. Don’t you guys see problem? You cant ask people to change their distro for every issue they stumble upon.
I see exactly one(1) comment that suggests trying a different distro.
One comment is suggesting using a game streaming application (Moonlight).
One comment is suggesting using the RDP server that comes with Fedora (which jaschen306 stated they are using).
One comment is yours.
One comment is saying it’s probably a hardware issue.
And finally, one comment is suggesting a gaming-focused Linux distro - but specifically calling out that it’s if they’re looking for a gaming distro.
Admittedly I have Hexbear and Lemmygrad blocked, so I might be missing other comments.
My bad, my PTSD kicked in as I read some names that I assumed were other distros. Its way too common when troubleshooting Linux to see people sugesting a whole other distro as a definitive solution, only to have other problems different to the one you’re trying to fix.
And everyone telling dear reader to change distros is doing it from a position of ignorance.
Even the least reliable of those distros should not be seeing anything but the keymap issue. MTP crash, unable to login afterward, That reeks of ram/disk issues.
Out of the 4 comments other than yours, there are exactly 2 that recommend using a different distro.
Fedora has built in rdp server. That’s what I use. Laggy? Ya dude that’s for office work, don’t push more than 1080p, yes it’s still gonna be inperfect
If you are looking for a gaming distro then try out Nobara Linux
For gaming u gotta use sunshine moonlight or whatever they called. But that requires more fucking around with than I care
Moments like this are why people get frustrated—tools should get out of the way, not add extra hoops. Everyone’s setup works… until it suddenly doesn’t.
Try sudo, that usually always works
You are joking but https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/advanced-settings/sudo/
I love the warning note
Sudo for Windows can be used as a potential escalation of privilege vector when enabled in certain configurations. You should make sure to be aware of the security considerations when enabling the sudo command on your machine.
What do you mean a master-key/privilege escalation tool can cause a privilege escalation vulnerability, who knew 😂
Well to be fair, there’s probably a lot of people who have no fucking clue what sudo is, but are getting instructions from
stack overflowerr, AI. Not that this warning would necessarily stop them, but there was an attempt.Fair, I have a handful of dev friends who I know don’t know “why” a command or script works, just that it does, so I guess that statement would likely help them.
