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I’ve found this to be a fairly comprehensive review of the available videos. Conclusions appear reasonable. https://resistmap.substack.com/p/they-took-his-gun-then-they-shot?r=ppwk8&shareImageVariant=overlay&triedRedirect=true
You can remove the (tracking) part in the URL after the question mark, like so https://resistmap.substack.com/p/they-took-his-gun-then-they-shot
Hey. That link said first name last name (presumably yours) shared that document with you.
Might want to clean that up for privacy sake.
Where do you see that? I don’t see any of that.
It was a little popup that opened the first time I clicked the link. It does not open on subsequent link clicks.
It seems like they murdered him because he was a gun owner legally exercising his first amendment rights.
From the woman standing right there:
I heard 10 shots, delivered directly into him as they held him down on the ground. They grabbed two guys, pushed them to the ground, and held one down so their colleagues could execute him at point blank range.
We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!
You need to arm yourself while you still can, and get ready for combat.
BPP is right about at least one thing. If they go out armed, they do not go out alone.
I find it hard to believe that these guy would be so gung-ho about smashing a guy in the face with a bear spray canister if his friends are standing nearby with semi-automatic shotguns.
If a video appears to show something then it shows something, right? Am I crazy? If a video shows something then it automatically appears to show it, right?
Am I talking nonsense, or is this just another case of the media sanewashing what is obviously a fascist crackdown on the citizenry?
Sometimes there’s room for doubt about what a video shows, because it’s unclear. Sometimes there’s ambiguity because context is relevant and not present in the video. But this video is clear and no context could possibly redeem what we see. This is a gang of terrorist thugs once again murdering an innocent and not peaceful person in broad daylight, as part of the Nazi regimes goal of crushing the American people into submission through terror.
Yes… There’s reason for this language… “appears to,” “alleged criminal,” etc.
…but as you say, there’s no need for that language here. There is no ambiguity.
Good journalists cross-check more than one source before concluding anything. Have they spoken to any witnesses? Is the video fake?
I think it’s a good thing that the languagr is weak because there aren’t any more evidence (yet).
There are quite a few videos from different perspectives of the same incident. I do not think that weak language is warranted.
Perhaps it was at the time of posting, but it’s clear in the video that at least one of Ice clearly fucked up.
That’s my point. Unless they want to change the title, they have to use weak language if they want to post an article before more evidence shows up.
They could change it now but they will probably just write a more thorough story to feed the algorithm again.
multiple videos and multiple eye witness accounts corroborate the events
Nah man, I get where you’re coming from. Adding that “allegedly” vibe can inappropriately sow doubt. The annoying part is it’s probably a liability thing.
As if the media is ever properly held liable for such wrongdoings…
Maybe the people should hold the media liable for not reporting seriously on serious events that demand our attention?
Trump wants the violence. He wants the escalation. He wants to cancel midterms, enact martial law, whatever.
Perhaps wants ineffective violence. He doesn’t want violence at a scale that’s a legitimate threat to him.
rioting is a threat to trump, and the gop, its the last thing the billionaires wnat to have thier businesses, airports disrupted again. thats why schumer and his ilk avoided another shutdown. rioting and not direct violence to trump is enough to scare him as well.
Trump doesn’t need violence from moderates and progressives to “justify” escalating. MAGA has been escalating since day one, and inventing whatever pretext they want out of thin air to justify it.
It isn’t for him. It’s for his followers to agree with what he’s doing.
I hope americans didn’t beleive that only one fatal shooting was possible. Unfortunatly there will be more. When dictators made the first shot, it is easier for them to do it again. Dictators by designcannot feel remorse, say sorry, correct themself. It is funny but USA managed to controll our dictator and he didn’t fire any shoots to protesters.
americans, if you are waiting for a hero to sweep in and save you from the obese child rapist and his public execution loving Gestapo, then, well, I’ve got some bad news for you…
schumer, and jefferies already sided with the gop. you are on your own, besides thier AIPAC/billionaire donors threatened not to fund them in future elections if they stop ICE
And god said: what do you mean? I sent a boat and a helicopter!
Kill every ICE agent today.
“How does sitting idley by going ‘oh that’s terrible’ work instead?” - Americans
One of these is going to be the next ‘shot heard around the world’
Why not this one.
It’s going to end up like school shootings, which happens so often that they think it’s normal. Fucking Americans and their love for guns and violence.
its hypernormalization.
There’s a chance. Maybe this general strike will even snowball to a national level.
I just keep watching these videos and thinking about how insane it is that a life was taken so quickly. I know that is the nature of the world, and things can change in an instant. But it seems so surreal to watch.
Renee Good was smiling at a man and deescalating a situation, that was the last thing she knew before a bullet. Now Alex Pretti was defending a woman from being shoved to the ground and before that woman could even steady herself again he was beaten and killed.
Fuck, it’s so pathetic that these losers have that kind of power over life. Trump, Noem, and Bovino (and every other rat bastard in the administration) have given the unhinged bullies a license to kill. I look forward to the day that these assholes hang for their crimes. Tell the people you care about that you love them.
They only have that kind of power over life because they claim it. They, and most other people, don’t realize how fragile their position actually is, should others seek the same.
Bring John Brown back to life.
Reddit passes out warnings and bans at the slightest hint of me “approving of violence,” even when I upvote something as small as saying “hey maybe arrest the men who execute innocent people,” so uhhhh, I’ll just say that here.
We should imprison all ICE agents. And if they were to go missing and/or die, I would not lose a wink of sleep.
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This was their plan
I think it’s just the result of answering to the almighty dollar: money comes first, people a distant third.
Nah, Spez has shown sympathy to Nazis.
I just got unsuspended after 7 days for roughly the same thing. Fuck that site.
My account of over 18 years was permabanned after 2 AI-given strikes for upvoting Luigi pictures, and a third one for saying “if he could just not wake up this time, that’d be great” on a pic of Trump snoozing.
That place has gone to the dogs.
I made reference to a movie there and was given a suspension. It was about a group of white guys hunting a homeless black man in the forest. Reddit is a cesspit of fascist apologia at best.
The Fediverse has tons of problems too, don’t get me wrong, but at least it allows for free expression.
I’ve said some truly deranged takes here and at worst the mods just delete my comments, which is honestly fair. Meanwhile I suggest that the Saudi royal family should all fall into a river and drown and oh no I get banned from reddit, this was like 4 years ago BTW.
We should imprison all ICE agents. And if they were to go missing and/or die, I would not lose a wink of sleep.
Are you on the side of the rule of law and democracy or the side of might makes right? Because, I’m not aware of any way to have people ‘go missing’ in prison that would not violate the constitution.
I believe the first part but think the second part is abhorrent and unAmerican.
ICE has forfeited the rule of law that protects society. Between the memo disregarding the Constitution and their actions, they have become the realworld version of Fallout raiders.
I agree, and I hope we see a lot of them in prison for this.
Their actions do not justify even more people to ignore the constitution and law in order to commit violence.
Violence is what did in the Nazis and the Confederacy.
True, and if our system fails and the elections process are messed with then I will have a different opinion about what should be done. I’m not saying that violence isn’t ever necessary (most of my family are veterans or active duty, I understand), I’m saying that the people pushing violence now are agitators trying to make a bad situation worse.
Until then, I’m not ready to throw away our entire country because I’m furious at these white supremacists in ICE uniforms. Their day is coming and everyone who ordered and enabled this all the way up to the top will face the same justice.
I will agitate. It is very likely that civil war will consume my nation. If that happens, I want my people to already have the materials and mindset needed to defeat Dogey America.
Then you’re part of the problem.
I find it hard to believe that:
- You really believe that there is a civil war coming;
- Are openly calling for violence on public social media and also;
- Live in the United States
It seems a little suicidal, if your worldview is correct, to be openly advocating for violence against an administration that has shown no qualms about using terrorism laws against detractors and who controls one of the most comprehensive intelligence systems ever created.
Kinda sounds like someone who isn’t in the US and is just stirring up shit for a paycheck.
Reddit is doing what every oligarch in history has ever done, make the dictator happy to hold onto their wealth and power.
I am vehemently anti-death penalty. That said, I have zero problem whatsoever with making violation of the public trust and willful abuse of power by elected and appointed officials into a capital offense. And, quite honestly, for crimes as egregious as this, maybe that punishment should be publicly executed.
This all happened in one year. This isn’t going to deescalate.
Before the 2024 election Mary Trump said that if he got reelected the American experiment would be over, and that prediction’s not looking good at this point.
I think people over there are going to need bigger placards to march with. The current ones don’t appear to be getting the lefts current message across.
There is no left. There is only the people and the regime now.
How? Aren’t there lots of MAGA americans?
The people piling in these comment threads to sow violence are not even americans, what makes you think that they care about one faction or another. They just want chaos.
Every country that uses social media bots is headed by a dictator who benefits from chaos in the US. Until proven otherwise, I’m assuming that anyone calling for violence is aligned with the bot army.
nah dude, I want americans to stop this shit before they invade my country and I have to defend myself
Could you want that from a distance, possibly tending to the far right in your own country and not interfere?
Even if you mean well, you are stiring up the exact evil that you want to avoid for yourself.
The States have the authority to prosecute these people for their crimes and even if you don’t think that they will face any investigation at a federal level, there is no statute of limitations on murder and a host of other crimes.
Demanding that this be solved tomorrow is not constructive because it is not possible. There are processes in place, that are outside of the control of the executive office, to handle an out of control Executive (and Judicial) branches.
Congress has the real governmental power in the US Government. Congress can impeach and remove a President. Congress can impeach and remove a Supreme Court Justice. Congress can cut off funding for Executive operations.
That all depends on people in Congress being willing to do their jobs. Unfortunately, we have a bunch of sycophants who’s role in this fiasco is to paralyze Congress in order to prevent it from acting. Those sycophants can lose control of congress in the upcoming mid-terms if people actually vote.
If you want to help, stop pouring gasoline on the fire of flashpoint issues and start looking at the upcoming election. If you’re just here to stir shit, then kindly fuck off.
I can try to do both.
if your suggestion is to vote yourself out of it, then kindly fuck off
You’re right, I’m an idiot. Voting doesn’t work.
Tell us the plan, then, what should we do?
Don’t be a coward lay out the violence that you want to see us do to one another.
I guarantee you that if this devolves into violence and the fascists are able to use that to skip elections then you will be part of the 51st state, dead in an air strike or hunted down and killed while being labeled a ‘terrorist’ on the news based on your social media posts.
Magats aren’t people, nor are they American.
They’re collaborators with the regime
7.62x51 should be sufficient
I hear 30-06 is effective
allegedly
Orders a 25’x25’ placard saying “Not MY President! 😠”
