What the actual fuck!
Israel is committing a genocide and what hold do they have over the entire world that we’re not allowed to talk about it?
Let’s not give Israel all the credit for the Australian governments’ complicity and the weapon parts we send over.
Australia is an imperial power too, you just hear less about the islands our police occupy.
It’s an odd premise, and ideally Rowland would have noticed and objected to the question.
Criticism of a country’s actions (and in fact, it’s really an implied criticism of a regime and its military) is not a threat to Jewish Australians. It may frustrate Zionists, but Zionism is a political movement, it is not a nation, religion or ethnicity. If a Zionist happens to be a Jewish Australian, it is coincidence - I know plenty of Australian Zionists who are not Jewish, and I know plenty of Jewish Australians who are anti-Zionist.
For an analogy, the interviewer’s question would be as ridiculous as someone asking if it would be illegal to claim the historic Nazi regime committed genocide of Jewish, Slavic, Romani, etc. peoples, and as a result made “white” Australians feel intimidated.
that coincidence is very highly probable given the vast majority of israelis and zionists are jewish, hence the problem
and the softer version of zionism and israeli nationalism is something most western governments deem totally legal
It does seem, law as written, that this is the case, even to the Nazi extreme. That’s because it was a knee-jerk hastily, badly, written piece of legislation that was
passedrammed through with the help of the Liberals, always a bad sign.That’s the generous position, less generously it could have been sitting there waiting for an excuse (never let a good crisis go to waste and all that), intended to further dampen and complicate the right to protest.
and as a result made “white” Australians feel intimidated.
I’d say it’s more if it was said to make German-Australians feel intimidated, rather than all the white ones. My Irish-Scottish grandparents were all in WW2 fighting against the Nazis in some manner. I’d never call a German friend out for Germany’s Nazi history as that’s not them as a person. Much like I wouldn’t call out a Australian-Jewish friend for Israel’s (Netanyahu’s) actions today.
Criticism of a country’s actions (and in fact, it’s really an implied criticism of a regime and its military) is not a threat to Jewish Australians.
Is this a fact or something you wish to happen? Have you spoken to any actual jews irl about how they are treated, particularly at universities?
Evidence from two parliamentary hearings (2024–2025), surveys by the Australian Academic Alliance against Antisemitism and reports from Jewish community organisations reveal clear patterns: intimidation, vilification and abuse have been far too commonly directed at Jewish staff and students, leaving them increasingly alienated from their institutions.
Not sure separate the sin from the sinner is working out so well?
As more than 100,000 people marched across the Sydney Harbour Bridge against the Gaza war, a protester climbed above the crowd, his face wrapped, waving a black flag made infamous by Al Qaeda and Islamic State (IS).
100,000 and no one could stop an Islamic State member from waving his flag about?
Also noted I don’t see a whole lot of jews on that bridge? do see a lot of left wing progressives and muslims though, maybe jews are scared of the rain?
And yet the position of the government seems to disagree with you.
Which is precisely why the law is so problematic.
The law was explicitly created for this. Israel succesfully weaponized the Bondi shooting to ban criticism of Israel.
The specific criteria is “that would, in all the circumstances, cause a reasonable person who is the target, or a member of the target group, to be intimidated, to fear harassment or violence, or to fear for their safety”.
There are all manner of exceptions and qualifications. Yes, under certain circumstances saying “Israel is committing genocide” might pass the test. Just saying it as a statement of fact is not alone enough to be a crime.
The title is misleading. Michelle Rowland says it will be illegal if certain specific other criteria are met.
Other critiria like arbitrary designations of a group by the government.
Israel is committing a genocide.
Zionism is a hate ideology.
Zionist ≠ Jew
Zionist = Nazi
Palestine > Israel
That is a really shitty way to do captions.
Let me say that I do believe that the Israeli government is committing genocide. And they believe they are too. They’ve said the quiet part out loud. They don’t want to live in peace with the Palestinians.
Can you tell us how many people have died of natural causes in Gaza over the past 27 months?
If you don’t have the statistics are you able to extrapolate from past statistics?
Also, who broke the peace agreement on Oct 07 2023?
We can’t tell you because Israel purposely bombed all the hospitals and killed the journalist
According to worldbank.org:
- In 2022 the crude death rate across Gaza and West Bank was 3.0/1000pop/year.
- In 2023 it was 7.0/1000pop/year.
I expect Gaza specific stats are worse. Maybe someone else has further info they can cite, perhaps also relating to 2024-2025, but like others have said, such data is difficult to collect when Israel repeatedly bombs hospitals and their personnel.
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You’re losing and you know it
The Hamas attack on October 7 was also wrong and bad. No excuses there. But there has to be limits on retaliation.
At this point, it’s clear that the ongoing genocide is not a retaliation. The Oct 7 attacks were simply an excuse to escalate their genocide and complete the occupation of Palestine. This is common practice in invasions and wars, there’s very rarely a solid reason for war beyond seizing resources like land or oil.
Zionazis are not welcome here.
How have you still not copped a ban for repeated genocide denial?
Instance admins support them and their alts.
Do you want to supply some evidence when you make accusations about our instance?
Prove them wrong
No investigation, no right to shitpost.
Lack of action speaks for itself. I’ll retract my statement when people like Seagoon are banned.
No, it doesn’t. They’re not omnipotent.
And it would honestly be helpful if you have evidence of any alt accounts, because those will need to be banned.
American here: we played this game leading up to our last election. Don’t let them get away with this. Remember the power of truth in your words. Keep calling this a genocide.
Australia is a colony of convicts which ‘grew’ into a nation of wardens.
Authoritarian states will always side with their peers over their citizens.
These are flimsy slogans: The prison colony of Australia always had wardens in charge. And if one considers Australia to be “authoritarian”, then what states aren’t authoritarian? Wouldn’t we at least be siding with Russia, Iran, and North Korea? Australia sides with the Zionist Regime because of our imperialism; because our rich can get richer by war profiteering.
I’ll be honest, I really never understood this zionist thing. How come they have so much power over protestant countries? the wiki says its a movement to establish a jew only land in current Palestine.
A Jewish homeland being restored around Jerusalem is meant to be one of the signs of the apocalypse. Christians want nothing more than the world to end. Its a huge part of the religion.
the wiki says its a movement to establish a jew only land in current Palestine.
More or less, yes.
How come they have so much power over protestant countries?
Long story short, they proved themselves in the 1940s to be a powerful force in the region. The Middle East is known to be rich in resources such as petroleum oil, and it also has major trade routes like the Suez Canal (I’m sure you saw the impact of the Evergreen blockage) and land routes through Afghanistan, Iran, etc… One can see how important the region is in China’s Belt and Road Initiative. So, having a military outpost able to credibly threaten this region with overwhelming force is a very powerful tool for Western imperial powers like the US and (historical) NATO allies.
So, the Zionist Regime has influence over these countries because they want the Zionist Regime to help us keep power in the region.
CXORA mentioned the Evangelical Christianity aspect of it, which is real, but I consider that to be more the cultural propaganda reason than the underlying material reason.
That’s a lot of words to say yes
Well, guess I can no longer act all smug to Americans online
E: obligatory Israel is committing a genocide
So you just say, Israel is committing genocide (it’s ok to be jewish/Israeli).
It is not okay to be Israeli
No. Just because you live in iseral doesnt mean you support your govenment.
The vast majority of Israelis support the genocide - far more than support their government. It’s a fair generalization of Israeli society. The “not all Israelis” point is both obvious and pedantic.
It’s a fair generalisation of the Israeli polity. The same way I judge Japan as a country for never really apologising for their warcrimes, but never hold it against an individual.
That’s just prejudice.
That being said, fuck Israel, and fuck these stupid laws that may end up in criticism of a state being illegal.
Who is holding against an individual? I think it’s obvious that when someone blames Israelis they don’t literally mean every single Israeli. That’s why I used the word “pedantic”. Sure, in absolute terms what he said is correct but, at the same time, expecting that level of guarded language practically makes conversation impossible.
How about being a Muslim Israeli, is that ok? There are over 2 million Muslim Israelis.
They should be ashamed, no better than house slaves spitting on the field slave. Like a black white supremacist, if you are a Muslim who considers yourself to be Israeli then you are Clayton Bigsby, Uncle Ruckus, Samuel L Jackson from Django unchained.
They’re called Palestinians. Repeat after me: PALESTINIAN.
