Maybe it’s not soup weather, but I’m enjoying these soups!

Good to hear, and I hope people are receptive to the notion that Labor doesn’t engage in “woke” politics, because media sources on the right try to insist that Labor do. And yes, the voting record is damning.

Let the alt right eat themselves, being an angry little lefty gives them the motivation to keep being fuckwits.

I heavily disagree with this line.

• They want power and capital. That’s all the motivation they will ever need. As historical fascist and far-right regimes have shown, they will be fuckwits even after they exterminate the left wing. It has nothing to do with “angry little lefties” or their other scapegoats.

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• Plenty of ways to combat the right without being angry, or little, or even lefty.

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• This comment seems to advocate doing nothing and hoping this problem solves itself. No, I will not “let them be”, sit back and hope they annihilate each other - this didn’t happen with US neo-Nazis contradicting the Republican position. Nor has the cannibalistic Trump regime collapsed yet.

Trump’s doing a great job in revealing why right wing politics sucks. Soaring wealth inequality, ballooning government debt, growing surveillance and authoritarianism etc

The US had most of this happen prior to Trump too - and then Trump still got elected twice with support from dozens of millions. And One Nation is receiving plenty of votes here and now despite the loud and proud clown show in the USA. Many people still support right wing politics despite it being so obviously against their material interests, so it’s vital to help regular aussies become conscious of class politics. This problem does not solve itself - you and people you know need to help inform those you know about why the right won’t help them, and need to wedge their fresh naive prospects - without being an “angry little lefty” of course. Even little casual actions will accumulate, like neutrally mentioning the news they haven’t seen in their media channels.

YouTube works alright for me.

While this approach has its own considerations, it’s refreshing to see this announcement has targeted neo-Nazis themselves, instead of playing whack-a-mole with their front organisations and rebrandings.

Sorry for the delayed reply, I didn’t see this comment until now.

I’d say none of us want any drama either, and that’s one of the reasons I wanted to make clear upfront that it’d be strictly about Aus-focused discussions. If I get the support of other moderators, we can gladly emphasise that we’re on probation, that drama, infighting and troll-feeding won’t be tolerated, and create rules to promote a respectful community.

Fair point, agreed and edited the post.

Note: The Age’s live coverage at the time also confirmed their presence.

It’s an odd premise, and ideally Rowland would have noticed and objected to the question.

Criticism of a country’s actions (and in fact, it’s really an implied criticism of a regime and its military) is not a threat to Jewish Australians. It may frustrate Zionists, but Zionism is a political movement, it is not a nation, religion or ethnicity. If a Zionist happens to be a Jewish Australian, it is coincidence - I know plenty of Australian Zionists who are not Jewish, and I know plenty of Jewish Australians who are anti-Zionist.

For an analogy, the interviewer’s question would be as ridiculous as someone asking if it would be illegal to claim the historic Nazi regime committed genocide of Jewish, Slavic, Romani, etc. peoples, and as a result made “white” Australians feel intimidated.

The Naarm channel also notes:

[https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/group-of-14-men-charged-after-alleged-affray-at-indigenous-protest-site-camp-sovereignty-named-in-court/news-story/dd19471ed698e3f1536ae49456f40445]

All named NSN members in this above linked article still have the same bail conditions and cannot travel across state lines for nationals.

The neo-Nazis are not taking it well.

One of the news outlets said this, along with the M4A rallies, were an attempt to rebrand as “everyday Australians”. But if anything, this photo-op just proves they’re anything but.

Agreed. A known leader of a neo-Nazi organisation registered a protest. The group have a history of registering events under false pretenses but there’s no excuse for this one. It was obvious.

Nazi speech is illegal.

It should be.

But fascists know their worldview is revolting to the public and parts of it are illegal to plainly say. That’s why they use pseudo-runes and sonnenrads instead of swastikas, talk about removing instead of exterminating, and protest around secondary positions like ‘mass immigration’ to spread racial supremacy rhetoric. They’ve been playing this game for a hundred years. Nazi speech is legal if you’re careful about it.

The problem is what they’re doing, not how they’re doing it, and our law struggles to handle that.

Banned from Australia? Well the governments tolerate abusive cults and neo-Nazis. The NSN hasn’t yet made it onto the official terrorist organisations list over here. (No, I’m not exaggerating when I say ‘cult’)

Or if you meant banned from the event: it’s because they were heavily involved in organising it in every state, they’re effectively running the rally as a front. They’re not going to ban themselves from their own rally. Mainstream outlets like ABC and The Age summarised this before the rallies, journalist Tom Tanuki has made in-depth videos detailing the evidence.

Finally, a protest with a clear demand. Down with roadwork!

It can be easy to miss activist events if you’re not on mainstream social media and not in a political organisation/network. Even if you’re in a city, only some areas will have posters and leafleting groups around.

I’ll try and remember to share events here too.

@ShrimpCurler@lemmy.dbzer0.com: Same here. It doesn’t even seem to be a central place anymore, the March for Humanity back in August had an estimated 300K marchers, while the Facebook event only listed 2.4K going, 2.8K interested. A link to another site could be shared just as easily, right?

Nicely done!

A couple of coworkers were talking at the pub about the nazis at the March for Australia so I’ll try and convince them to come along this time.

Good luck! We need everyone we can get. And with a bit of luck, the social media effect grows exponentially as friends tell friends to tell friends, just like with the March for Humanity.

Yes but I wasn’t talking about that. I was referring to the many smaller cases of individuals or small groups opportunistically harassing people on public transport, in parks, etc., which can easily be prevented just by having more people around to remove that opportunity. Simply attending the counter rally helps.

If we’re aiming to prevent an premeditated gang of dozens from going out of their way to terrorise a peaceful camp, we’ll need an organised force with fighting experience, or an even larger group able to mobilise rapidly. That’s absolutely possible, we saw that Melbourne has the roots for building such a force, but it’s a tougher challenge which involves more than just the regular public showing up.

Thanks mate. Tagging @Ilandar@lemmy.today