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my mother once told me my since of justice was my biggest flaw. 15 years later and I get what she meant but what a thing to tell a 10 year old lol
Probably better to describe it as “fairness”. Maybe even “stubbornness” The problem with justice/fairness is that it is ultimately subjective. And a 10-year-old’s view of fairness is often divorced from principles of personal safety or propriety.
You’ll see this problem with adult libertarians all the time. Everything from seat belts to sales taxes to dress codes intrude on their sense of fairness, largely because they’ve ingested enormous volumes of propaganda. The real joke of it is when the term “social justice” impugnes your sense of personal justice. Same with the social conservatives who get up in arms over “illegal” immigration and desegregation, environmental regulations and speed limits, prohibitions on state sanctioned religious education, and age limits on who you can marry.
A sense of justice is a very plastic (especially at a young age) and perspective oriented. Wars have been fought and rivers of blood spilled over a population’s conviction of their own righteousness.
Going on the warpath at the drop of a hat pretty much describes my entire immediate family and majority of my friends. The stress is going to end me early, I fucking know it.
That just got me diagnosed with BPD ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There’s something I’d like to point out tho: it’s not a “strong sense of justice”. Justice, for us autistic people is an emotion. You feel despair, you feel love, you feel joy… we also feel justice, injustice, fairness…
Yeah, we have some unusual emotions, and justice is one of them.
Interesting. Is that a perspective used among psychologists?
There is evidence of it. This page explains it somewhat well: https://www.simplypsychology.org/autism-justice-sensitivity.html although it fails to address it with an autistic perspective as it says:
As a result, any perceived injustice (even minor ones) can trigger strong emotional reactions such as anger, anxiety, or sadness.
I disagree with this, i know what’s anger, what’s anxiety… injustice feels different to those.
I could search later for more sources, but talking to other autistic folks, I noticed that many of us have a wide array of emotions that either work differently, or are not present in neurotypical brains.
The most prevalent has always been justice and the reason we concur on it being an emotion is because it can manifest physical symptoms the same way as any other emotion.
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We need to burn this evil system to the ground
It’s built by and for psychopaths instead.
Yes.
But it’s often exploited. All those far-right/kiwifarms autists think the same when they’re doing their evil deeds. They believe communism is the greatest danger to civilization, and worth sacrificing our freedom to fight it. That being said, the left is also not immune from it, see all the section 230 propaganda, etc.
Mandatory reminder that being autistic is enterely compatible with being an evil asshole. They are not mutually exclusive.
Following rules generally for me. There is a parking lot near me where people insist on parking the wrong way (people park opposite the way if traffic on both side of the lane way think parking the wrong way on a one way street) and it makes me so angry every time I shop in the area. I even tried to mention it in a community Facebook group and was told to shut up and mind my own buisness
I feel this. My job is surrounded by one-way streets, with angled back-in parking everywhere. So you don’t even need to parallel park, you just back into the spots to park, and then pull straight out (matching the direction of traffic on the one-way street) when you leave. It’s literally all the best parts of parallel parking, with none of the downsides.
We regularly have people pull u-turns on the one-way streets to park nose-in. No amount of signs have helped, because you can’t make people read. It’s a ticketable offense, (same as if you had parallel parked facing the wrong direction on a one-way street) and the local PD regularly makes sweeps every few hours to check… And they’ll easily ticket 10-20 people on busy days. There have even been instances where the cop was standing there writing a ticket for it, when someone pulled in right next to them. And then they’d argue with the cop that they should be allowed to park however they want.
At first, seeing people swing super wide to pull into the spots would piss me off. Then for a while it was amusing, because I knew I’d get to see them rage about the ticket on their windshield while I sit in my office. But now it’s just disappointing. Like every time I see it, I lose a little more faith in humanity. The old joke about “make something idiot-proof and they’ll invent a better idiot” always rings true.
My nephew is autistic, and when he was little (and his parents were basically in denial about it) he kept getting kicked out of schools because he’d punch kids that change the rules in the middle of a game. They ended up having to home school him
I like this kid already
My blood pressure goes through the roof when I play Dead by Daylight and go up against a toxic killer.
Similarly, it goes through the roof when I see a Trump flag up at my neighbor’s house.
My blood pressure ain’t doin’ so well these days.
On top of that, you have any idea how hard it is to stay under the advised daily value of sodium? It’s less than a teaspoon! Tortilla? 20% of your sodium. Bagel? 20%. Any veggie patty substitute? Vegetable bouillon? Tamari or soy sauce?
Ye gods man I’m gonna burst!
…exercise I got on lock tho, so that’s nice.
…and don’t tell me to stop playing Dead by Daylight. It’s the only multiplayer game I can play where I have more than a coin toss’s chance of winning.
…though maybe I should just switch to something chill like an mmo 😔
Try reframing what constitutes toxicity in DBD. I know it really helped me when i started voice acting as the killer with a goofy voice. I don’t know what you consider toxic, but some suggestions: killer voice being all lovey-dovey when hitting on hook and face camping, celebratory like a kid someone let win in cards when ground humping, “excuse me maam, you dropped your wallet, hello hello, excuse me!” increasingly desperately when tunneling, etc.
And close end game chat before reading it.
The recommended levels of sodium are trash, newer evidence is showing that 2000mg is perfectly fine. More if you sweat
well my blood pressure is a little high and I’m trying to get it back down to healthy levels ‘cause I’d rather not let it get away from me.
I’m also trying to get back into mediation, but it’s just so boring.
It’s fine for me, with a much lower blood pressure. I actually require separate salt intake sometimes (apart from the salt I add when cooking), if I am cycling for a little longer.
Not sure who downvoted you, I drink at least 2000mg supplemental sodium daily, more if I’m sweating. When I go out for a big day I’ll go through 3 liquid IV and as many bottles of plain water.
Not sure who downvoted you,
Noone did.
While my supplemental sodium is less than 2g, my overall Sodium intake is easily more than that.
I add enough salt to my food that it enhances the taste of whatever is being cooked. Specially, the diced tomato stays with ~ 0.5g of salt for the ~15 minutes it is kept before adding it to the pan. Then if I am going out and cycling a bit, depending upon my level of fatigue, I might use 1/2 a packet of ORS at a time, with a max total of 1.5 whole packets (and that is pushing it) if I am needing it more than once a day. If I need more, I go with lemonade with black-salt.
Gah, do I feel this. One of the reasons I really like my new neighborhood is that I never see any of those fucking flags. I see Ukraine flags, Palestine flags, rainbow flags, and signs that say “Black Lives Matter” and “Fascists not welcome.” A walk around the neighborhood makes me happier now than it did when I lived in the suburbs, even though my mom worries about me being in the sCaRy CiTy.
One glance around, and I know my neighbors are all right. I’m home.
tbf the Trump neighbor is flanked on all sides by LGBTQ+ and other progressive flags, he’s just very loud about his with a flag pole and everything. It’s the burbs of PDX, so it’s a little purple, but not by much.
That DbD thing is extremely relatable.
Have you tried Factorio or Satisfactory?
My adult son is clearly on the spectrum (seems to avoid getting diagnosed, though I think it would do him a lot of good). When he was very young, he would come home in tears if another kid was chewing gum in class, which was against the rules. That kind of thing is still a huge issue for him (rule breaking, not gum chewing).
i have had severe autism my entire life and i have never ever given a single fuck about the law.
that’s because i learned pretty early on that the law is routinely wrong about major things, and there’s not much of a point to believe in it too much. however, i do have a very strong sense of “justice” (though i don’t call it that, and it’s also significantly different than other people’s ideas of justice) that i do live by very strictly.
If he gets through life alright, there’s no need for a diagnosis.
Yeah, but he does struggle with a lot of things. Pretty sure he also has ADHD. I know folks who were helped immensely by meds.
in that case it might be helpful, yes.
Sometimes tho, the diagnosis is not about getting “fixed”. It’s about getting answers for your life. I got my diagnosis when I was in my 30s. It changed the way I see myself and the way I react to the world, but not because I’m not “fixed”; it changed it because now I know there is a reason for things being this way and I know how I work.
Which is exactly why its not always nescessary to get a diagnosis if it’s not bothering you
Hey, if you already know, do you even need a diagnosis?
Honestly explains a lot of my younger self. I always prided myself as the snitch…
In school, regularly was hated because I was the one to destroy academic cheating groups.
One of my closer female friends cheated on her idiot boyfriend that I barely could stand… I ratted her out.
Later on that same idiot boyfriend was at least trying to cheat on his newer girlfriend… also ratted him out.
Later on idiot friends girlfriend was my girlfriend for 14 years… However my blind sense of justice also causes me to think that the world works when I’m not in the right position… I wound up paying through the nose for her to visit a female friend across the country… who, didn’t actually exist. Afterwards she broke up with me, and almost imidiately had a new boyfriend… coincidentally from the location she had just flown to… and they were married within a few months.
Got an awesome son out of the deal though… Honestly the part that eats at me, is just the realization that, there’s almost certainly people that knew what was happening… that just, ignored it.
Now we’re conflating ADHD with holiness.
OK.
No, it’s a well-documented phenomenon called Justice Sensitivity. It can even be graded on a scale, like any other symptom of ADHD or autism. It is part of the diagnostic criteria.
Basically, lots of ADHD/autistic people tend to dislike rules, feeling like they’re restrictive for no reason… Unless they know why the rule exists. But if they know why it exists, they often tend to treat the rule as gospel, and get extremely angry and/or resentful when others don’t follow the rule. They’ll have a strong urge to correct perceived injustices, even if the injustice was relatively small or benign. “Life isn’t fair” is something that many people with ADHD/autism hear a lot, because it’s often the go-to response from neurotypicals whenever they start complaining about injustice. There’s a reason people with ADHD and autism disproportionately work as activists.
This can also cause a lot of friction between two autistic people, especially where one person understands the rules and the other doesn’t. Then you’ve got one person who’s furious the other isn’t following the rules, and the other who is furious because they’re being expected to follow rules they don’t understand.
I use the word righteous. And I don’t think it is that we are more righteous. I think we just have trouble getting over it. Which is a general aspect of many other things that cause issues for us.
I’d also posit my unqualified opinion1 too: I think it’s the idea that the rules are inconsistent. You try to follow a system that everyone says is “blind” and impartial, only to see it just got Lasik and is very, very partial to particular people. The dissonance between experiencing injustice and insistent claims that the civilized world is fair.
If all cultures codified that “money buys clemency”, there’d be a lot fewer outbursts about how unfair things are.
1 I’m probably not autistic, just have a lot of autistic friends.
Relatable, I have a strong sense of justice combined with experiencing the worst aspects of capitalism, religious fundementalism, and reactionary people. This has led me to the only natural conclusion, that society as it exists today under liberal capitalism is fundamentally broken beyond repair and therefore the system must be replaced. Not with another liberal who seems to slowly move the system forward (that’s all they move, the system yet no real progress occurs) but with real change. This change can only occur through the establishment of an absolute socialist economy and the total abolition of private property.
“So, what’s wrong with me, doc?”
“Well it seems you have strong empathy and a sense of justice, which simply doesn’t mesh well with the reality we have created.”
“…What’s the cure?”
“Money and power.”
“Fuck.”
I prefer the alternative medicine, anarchy.
Yes my friend. “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” ― Albert Camus
“Hi, I’m here to pick up my prescribed money bag.”
Once again, you have only posted an image of a tweet, and not a link to your source. I would like an explanation please of how this is remotely helpful for anyone on planet Earth. Thank you.
I’m autistic because I want people to follow the written rules of society?
Don’t fucking run red lights and do stop for pedestrians is pretty much all I ask, but that’s too much in the small city I live in for at least a few people every day.
It isn’t “follow the rules”, it is “do the right thing”
Big difference
As I said to someone recently, it is illegal to smash a brick into the heads of every corrupt fascist ICE thug going around committing endless acts of domestic terrorism. It is still morally correct to do so.
Illegal≠immoral/bad/wrong, legal≠moral/good/right.
Unironocally yes.
The point is the average person doesn’t give a shit. That’s the baseline. It’s why without enforcement, no one follows rules detrimental to themselves. It’s why going 50 in a 50 is considered ridiculous.
The fact that it even pisses you off enough to write that out is evidence enough lol. Maybe. Not the one thing by itself…
Source: Late diagnosed adhd, probably autistic, said the same kind of things as you before I realized I’m just… not typical
The point is the average person doesn’t give a shit.
Average people give an average shit. They tend to see what comes close to goring their own ox and ignore what’s out of view.
It’s why going 50 in a 50 is considered ridiculous.
When you’re on an empty road, it feels ridiculous to go 50 in a 50 because nobody is in your way.
When it’s bumper to bumper traffic, it feels ridiculous to go 50 in a 50 because you’d immediately collide with the car in front of you.
When everyone else is going 50, it feels sensible to keep up with the herd, even when a sign indicates a different speed is more appropriate.
Ignoring the circumstances in favor of the written rule isn’t virtuous on its face. Sometimes the rules are wrong and you need to use your own judgement. Sometimes the rules are there for reasons that go deeper than their most literal interpretation.
