To the people “wanting to teach the DNC a lesson”, in the nicest way possible, you’re fucking idiots.
They threw literally ever other minority group under the bus, and got absolutely nothing for it - if anything they actually got less than nothing, because Trump wasn’t just going soft on Israel, he was actively cheering them on!
I will never understand the mentality of choosing that hill to die on… Like couldn’t you guys have waited until Trump was at least off the board first.
Man was literally on his way to a lifetime in jail and bankruptcy, that he got out of scot-free because you guys decided 2024 was the time for a protest vote.
Yeah all right, that’s as good a definition as any I suppose. It’s still something about it, though, it’s like this term that means everything and nothing, and lends itself super well to nebulous definition, so no one can really decide what it is whether they are for or against it. It’s messed up.
It’s like, I think just calling things “leftist” is a way dumb oversimplification- much more so than I think that “conservative” is even though that definition is even looser and completely devoid of actual ideology, even by their own admittance.
I don’t know, I just find this whole shitshow tiring, I’m not sure what we’re doing here.
I mean, I feel like woke isn’t a thing to be for or against, it’s literally being aware. There is an implied woke=anti-cruelty, but I feel like you can be woke and support the oppression of others through the power of the system. Just don’t expect other people to recognize your “wokeness” or be pleased that you’re so aware that the things you’re doing are cruel and shitty.
This feels like my step dad being upset that the weather channel is trying to scare us by calling it an atmospheric river! Like dude we’re using a fun new term to describe a weather pattern, it just means rain if you’re caught beneath the river. Not scary unless you’re in a flood zone.
But that is what it has grown into. A sweeping semantic and perfectly malleable construct that can occupy everyone’s minds while the oligarchy just laughs and counts its money.
That might be, but it’s hard to believe many people would not see the result coming ahead of time. It’s just not a believable concept to me that these folks really believed that anything could happen besides trump being more likely to win. The most generous I can be with them is that they didn’t care what would happen.
Some people get far too easily caught up in the issue of the day and lose sight of the bigger picture, and by the time they see the consequences of that it’s far too late.
Like I was saying with the whole Israel thing. People got so worked up in refusing every DNC candidate who wasn’t anti-Israel, that they seemingly entirely forgot about everything else on the board.
Was losing all that really all worth fighting up a losing battle over Israel?..
Which arguably had an even worse outcome than it would’ve, entirely because of their fighting over it let the genocidal dictator wannbe win?
Its ironically not too disimilar to how the far right screws over their voterbase…
Get them riled up over some racist bigoted stance, then stab them in the back and tell them it was somebody else’s fault while still holding the knife.
Yeah…
To the people “wanting to teach the DNC a lesson”, in the nicest way possible, you’re fucking idiots.
They threw literally ever other minority group under the bus, and got absolutely nothing for it - if anything they actually got less than nothing, because Trump wasn’t just going soft on Israel, he was actively cheering them on!
I will never understand the mentality of choosing that hill to die on… Like couldn’t you guys have waited until Trump was at least off the board first.
Man was literally on his way to a lifetime in jail and bankruptcy, that he got out of scot-free because you guys decided 2024 was the time for a protest vote.
We had the chance to get rid of Trump forever and the tankies blew it
Wasn’t the chance to get rid of trump immediately after January 6th? Are you calling Biden a tanky?
Yeah all right, that’s as good a definition as any I suppose. It’s still something about it, though, it’s like this term that means everything and nothing, and lends itself super well to nebulous definition, so no one can really decide what it is whether they are for or against it. It’s messed up.
It’s like, I think just calling things “leftist” is a way dumb oversimplification- much more so than I think that “conservative” is even though that definition is even looser and completely devoid of actual ideology, even by their own admittance.
I don’t know, I just find this whole shitshow tiring, I’m not sure what we’re doing here.
I mean, I feel like woke isn’t a thing to be for or against, it’s literally being aware. There is an implied woke=anti-cruelty, but I feel like you can be woke and support the oppression of others through the power of the system. Just don’t expect other people to recognize your “wokeness” or be pleased that you’re so aware that the things you’re doing are cruel and shitty.
This feels like my step dad being upset that the weather channel is trying to scare us by calling it an atmospheric river! Like dude we’re using a fun new term to describe a weather pattern, it just means rain if you’re caught beneath the river. Not scary unless you’re in a flood zone.
But that is what it has grown into. A sweeping semantic and perfectly malleable construct that can occupy everyone’s minds while the oligarchy just laughs and counts its money.
I think it only makes sense if they’re lying about their beliefs and wanted trump to win.
I think for some of them it’s an unwillingness to admit/accept the consequences for their actions.
That might be, but it’s hard to believe many people would not see the result coming ahead of time. It’s just not a believable concept to me that these folks really believed that anything could happen besides trump being more likely to win. The most generous I can be with them is that they didn’t care what would happen.
Theyre not unlike maga voters in that regard and they don’t want to hear it.
When you wrap up your political decisions in your identity it is CRUSHING to admit you’ve been wrong.
I imagine they feel so pure not voting or voting third party or whatever and then the reality of that comes crashing in about February 1 or so.
I could forgive that if they at least don’t make the same mistake twice.
Edit- witness the downvotes for saying this. Just confirmation I suppose.
Honestly I agree with this take more than @TrickDacy@lemmy.world.
Some people get far too easily caught up in the issue of the day and lose sight of the bigger picture, and by the time they see the consequences of that it’s far too late.
Like I was saying with the whole Israel thing. People got so worked up in refusing every DNC candidate who wasn’t anti-Israel, that they seemingly entirely forgot about everything else on the board.
Ukraine? LGBTQ rights? Women’s rights? Ethnic Minority rights? Climate Change reforms? Apparently the US’ whole democratic system?
Was losing all that really all worth fighting up a losing battle over Israel?.. Which arguably had an even worse outcome than it would’ve, entirely because of their fighting over it let the genocidal dictator wannbe win?
Its ironically not too disimilar to how the far right screws over their voterbase…
Get them riled up over some racist bigoted stance, then stab them in the back and tell them it was somebody else’s fault while still holding the knife.