It’s pretty ironic to have problems with audio not recognizing headphones… on WINDOWS.
Multi-trillion (10^12) dollar company, btw.
(Both laptops are reasonably new.)
That’s a driver thing, so it’s wrong to blame Windows for this, when the drivers probably aren’t even made by Microsoft.
Why would standard Bluetooth audio profiles need some specialty drivers?
Right, I assumed we’re talking about jack sensing
I doubt it even more that the ‘audio plug is connected’ event is reliant on software.
Then believe me it is
Hm? Why would it be?
Afaik wired audio is a solved problem since the introduction of the AC’97 standard in, fittingly, 1997. Which, as it happens, relies on an audio controller that sits between the hardware and the OS. Major OSes have been shipped with standard drivers for AC’97 support for the past twenty-nine years or thereabouts.
This leads me to believe that the OP is talking about Bluetooth, still rather wonky between different software stacks.
To be fair, a lot of bluetooth headphone problems i had on my work laptop was just microsoft teams.
My most recent project requires me to use teams again -.-
It finds new ways to loose my peripheral devices ever day and adds effects to my camera that are not even available in the menu. I’m wondering if they try to get you to install it, or hate Mac users or Firefox or whatever. I mean it has been bad for all the time I knew it, but it seems to be getting even worse.
Back in 2021 I remeber I had several issues with bluethooth audio, now it just works as soon as I take my headphones out of the case (even tho KDE says Bluethooth is disabled everytime)
My Sony Momentum 4 always say loudly “No connection” after I connect them, but they are connected. It doesn’t annoy me too much though.
I use Mint btw
Sony momentum 4?
Surely you mean Sennheiser Momentum 4 or Sony WH-1000XM4?
Sennheiser of course, thx
Strange, Bluedevil has been working consistently for a while. What Plasma version are you running?
I’m on 6.5 now.
In 2021 I was using a laptop with a different chipset, now I’m using one of those cheap USB Bluethooth dongles you find on Amazon for 5$
LOL Yeah, I mean Linux has always had audio problems, but I find that I can solve Linux related ones mine than on Windows. It is weird that a billions of dollars sort of company can’t get that shit right!
I did IT for my company on the side of my job for a year or two.
Prolific problem where windows would disable the microphone but every single “windows tool” said it was working perfectly fine except teams would say it was not available.
The only possible fix that someone on the internet found was to download an old sketchy file from a 3rd party source for an archived version of their “pre-help-assistant AI slop” audio troubleshooter, and run that and it would immediately say “oh, it is disabled, let me re-enable it for you”
Even though every tool, setting, and even registry said it was enabled.
Microsoft has the worst audio.
Linux audio issues were common during the transition to PulseAudio, but that was almost 20 years ago now.
Hard to believe it’s been that long already. Linux has come so far. I remember fighting with audio issues. The most frequent issue I remember having is not being able to have two different programs use the sound card at the same time. Haha. So no system sounds while listening to music.
Two programs not being able to use the sound card at the same time is what happens when you set a program to use an ALSA hw or plughw device instead of PulseAudio or PipeWire.
I was about to say… Maybe I’ve just been lucky, but I haven’t had the slightest issue with Linux audio. Ever.
mint occasionally loses all sound devices on my media pc, but that’s usually fixed with a reboot. and easy effects caused random sound lags, so i have to live without eq.
And they continued until the transition to Pipewire.
I had a shortcut on my taskbar to terminate and reinitialize Pulse. It got used multiple times a day.
Agreed, it was the next step from pulseaudio. To say it wasnt problematic is incorrect, as it had many problems and needed a lot of manual intervention.
Nowadays, pipewire appears alot more stable, even with the compatibility layers for when stuff uses pulseaudio.
pipewire is so cool! It’s so easy to set it up to sling to snapcast!
[sobbing] I don’t know what the fuck snapcast is, I just want sound to work!
It’s a pretty easy setup for turning all of your Linux devices into speakers for one studio stream.
Set up some raspberry pis, plug them into speakers around the house, hit a button on your phone, they’re all playing synchronized musicSounds expensive.
Have you got like, an old phone or laptop? And some old PC speakers? Then you’ve got surround sound.
I’ve been using Linux as my main operating system since 2010 and can’t recall having any audio issues. My desktop has 5 sound cards and they all work fine. I don’t use bluethooth for audio, so I guess that makes things easier.
I’ve definitely had some on and off audio issues, nothing crazy usually solved by unplugging and replugging in the device.
Bluetooth have been kinda crap but also HDMI audio devices have been buggy. Analog in/out (3.5mm) has always worked for me.
HDMI audio depends on a proprietary license. The Linux drivers for it are, predictably, less robust.
I guess you’ve just been lucky.
Or you’ve just been unlucky.
It’s very common to have audio issues, in fact. Pipewire is seen as a golden age by many.
Pipewire is my goat
Where is this meme from?
The movie “Legally Blonde.” Reese Witherspoon’s character gets into Harvard to be closer with the male, her ex.
He, astonished, asks for clarification if she got into Harvard, and she responds with the bottom text.
Between my Linux laptop, my window gaming computer, and my apple work laptop I never have audio issues.
I mean honestly 😬 it still kinda sucks compared to Windows. Less problems on Windows vs my Linux laptop. Do they mean wired headphones? Because I use Fedora on my framework 13 and my bluetooth headphones just do not want to play sometimes. It works after some reconnecting and switching outputs. Or my bluetooth keyboard is just not connecting sometimes. And I have to “forget” it and re-pair it. Sometimes I think a lot of my colleagues or friends with Linux systems just get used to rolling with punches/issues because it feels better to be working on Linux. At least I don’t have to click away stupid full screen Microsoft Account reminders etc.
I have to “forget” it and re-pair it.
If you’re dual-booting, you need to sync the Bluetooth pairing keys between Windows and Linux.
Ha, I’m not dual booting :)
f you have wired or properly standards compliant bluetooth headphones it works fine on both.
If you have (cheapo) non-compliant stuff it’s a crapshoot on both, but there’s more likely some drivers to make up the difference on windows, whereas on linux you’re deep diving obscure crap, it can be done, but is it really worth the effort?
If it’s musical instruments, especially midi, you’re often better off on linux these days, but you might have to pay for a DAW and some commercial plugins are hit or miss.
just got a new laptop and wanted to boot into windows once so i could make sure bitlocker was off and i had to go through 15 minutes of clicking decline on upsells for 365 vs clicking on install linux mint from the live usb and being yes install
Ha!
My work laptop is mandated win11.
I have working headphones.
I have working headphones set that go through a dock and through a KVM and through 20 feet of USB and three chained hubs between said laptop and my earballs.
They also switch beautifully over to the Nobara (fedora) I’ve installed, and even back to this ancient ring-fenced win7 physical I have.
Hell; I only had issues last year because I got a janky USB extension and the Dell cube dock is a piece of actual shit and the two couldn’t cope.
What do I win with a ugreen usb3 sound dev and an apple 3.5mm earpods headphones plugged in? I mean, aside from a working comms rig.
I am just pissed that my bluetooth earbuds at work, ever since upgrading to Win10 (I think? Been a while ago), have issues with their microphones.
If I join a meeting every few minutes audio quality turns robotic, sounds like a very low quality phone call. The only solution is before I join a meeting and almost every time I connect my earbuds, to deselect the microphone on them and instead use the laptop microphone. Which you cannot do “on the fly” while in a meeting, because then you of course just lose all sound immediately.
So it is either being ok with sound quality going down every few minutes, making it difficult to hear people, or dropping in and out of the meeting akwardly to correct this, should I forget this before the meeting.
They worked fine pre-Win10. They still work fine on any other non-Windows device I use. There is absolutely no reason to justify this but somehow it does not get fixed.
I have some bad news, they never worked like that, because bluetooth profiles suck ass. I bet your memory of them working in the past used the laptop mic.
Either that or some aptx nonsense.
Don’t know what to tell you. I used to not have to meddle with the “handsfree telephony” settings and now I have to every time I use the bluetooth earbuds in order to keep the sound working well.
If that for some unlikely reason used to happen automatically then I also do not get why that stopped and now I have to do it.
So please don’t try and gaslight me here.
If you’ve ever had non-sucky audio + microphone from bluetooth headphones I’d love to know the brand.
i’m just amazed that under w10 i was able to change my audio output device without issues meanwhile in w11 after digging into the taskbar you pick an audio output and IT DOESNT DO SHIT IT DOESNT CHANGE AT ALL YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT BACK AND FORTH UNTIL THE SPIRIT OF WINDOWS ELEVEN DECIDES YOU ARE WORTHY
Uh huh uh huh uh huh… call me when ALSAmixer is no longer needed to unmute the TOSLINK output on a new install because who the fuck knows why it’s muted by default in ALSA and that setting is not surfaced anywhere in the UI.
I would make fun of you for using toslink but eARC is such a scam that I don’t know why they didn’t just bother to upgrade toslink anyway.
I think they’re lying when they say it can’t handle the bandwidth. It’s a fricken fiber optic cable, just bump the transmitter.
Why is eARC a scam? Doesn’t it carry higher audio bitrates than optical?
I had a Samsung TV and Samsung home theater in a box as my first 4k setup. The last update to the TV broke eARC.
Just wanted to throw out at every opportunity why I will not buy a Samsung anything.
What is any of this?
Heh, so ALSA has kind of been the audio architecture for Linux distros since forever.
Pulse Audio was supposed to modernize audio for Linux and ultimately replace ALSA.
But last time I installed Linux on my desktop, I couldn’t get audio output from my motherboard’s TOSLINK S/PDIF port no matter which settings I changed in the GUI, uninstalled/reinstalled drivers and codecs and whatnot, etc.
Nothing made any difference until I eventually found some forum post which suggested using ALSAmixer to check the settings for various audio channels. ALSAmixer is not typically installed by default and not commonly used anymore, but it was the only tool that could unmute the digital audio output channel that served the TOSLINK port - that functionality was not present anywhere else in any of the configuration options. Pulse appeared to be in control of the system audio hardware, but in reality it was just sitting on top of and still relying on ALSA to handle the back end. Also, whoever set ALSA to mute some audio channels by default on a clean install… wtf dude, that shit just makes people think their hardware isn’t properly supported and they have a driver issue.
The point being, ALSA was supposed to be deprecated years ago and all of the old audio issues resolved and modernized with a new architecture, but… I’ll believe it when I see it, when whatever the new thing is actually proves itself to be an all-singing, all-dancing audio architecture. I’ve seen this rodeo before, and last time I checked it was still a clownshow.
Interesting. Thanks for explaining.
Simping pipe wire … That’s a choice.
I’m simping pipewire all day, that shit works flawless and is a godsend after years of pulse.
