All of this is happening because Israel is blackmailing American Pedophiles into war.
I see no reason to fight fair, why put our troops at unnecessary risk?
I also can’t think of a reason why we wouldn’t capture their unarmed ship, or at least give them ample opportunity and “incentive” to surrender. Honestly, the greatest show of strength is the ability to show compassion and humanity to your enemy. Think of how much power it would project to capture a whole warship, hold the crew as PoWs, treat them well, and return them well fed and cared for?
Instead, we blew them up and left the survivors stranded in the ocean for other nations to assist.
the ability to show compassion and humanity to your enemy. Think of how much power it would project to capture a whole warship, hold the crew as PoWs, treat them well, and return them well fed and cared for?
Woke. being woke is why the US keeps losing, so stop being woke and start winning
I shit you not, this is how these morons actually think.
One way to not put your troops at unnecessary risk would be not to start unnecessary wars.
Yeah, that too, but we’re talking about the US… Unnecessary war is like the trademark move of the republican party.
During WW2, many Italian and German POWs were sent to America for internment, and treatment, if they were wounded. I have met a three separate couples where the POW fell in love with his nurse, and after he was sent home after the war, he came right back and married his American nurse.
Behaving compassionately toward your enemy is the best thing an Army can do to quell post-war problems. MAGA is too Sociopathic to understand that concept. They feel that the only strategy is to crush the enemy, then subjugate them mercilessly, because they are inherently cruel, and that’s their idea of fun. They don’t consider the danger in creating another generation of motivated terrorists.
My grandma cooks a very authentic red sauce, allegedly, my great grandfather was in charge of some POWs stateside in WWII, and one of them was a chef before the war, so he had that guy come over and teach my great grandma how to cook a red sauce, and the recipe has literally been passed down for generations at this point.
Before you ask… I have not been granted the recipe yet.
He ordered a double tap 🤷♂️
Accidental double click, must be using a well worn Logitech G500 series (those mice are notorious about the bad switches used in them which results in regular double clicks after about 2.5 years of use).
Corsair seems to suffer that same issues.
Anyone have any reqs for durable ambidextrous/left handed mice with thumb switches?
Yep. Had to replace the switches in mine after 4 years. Was a g502 but the point is the same. Could not use it as double and triple clicks became commonplace.
I’ve seen plenty of data points to suggest the IDF is running America and this is one of them
Ha, IDF are chumps compared to who’s running America (and probably your country, too).
It’s right out in the open, really. Look at THE FED for clues
These are not nationalist interests
The part where Rubio just flat out said Israel wanted war so now we’re in it, was a pretty big one…
Link? Didn’t see that
Its crazy how the whole world is to much of a pussy to do anything to the US.
Almost as crazy as how US citizens are too much pussies to even vote, let alone do something about it. Also up there with whining about others not taking care of US citizens responsibilities.
I very much agree as well. I’m not defending the US but it is what it is. If everyone is to pussy to do anything about it then it will continue and there’s no reason to complain.
The US has the single most powerful military force in the world. So when a deranged orange psychopath who has the ego of a cracked eggshell has access to the nuclear football that can call upon the destruction of life as we know it, you’d be careful too.
Thankfully, we’re currently reaching the offense side of the pendulum, where defenses haven’t caught up yet and made a stalemate. The $20,000 drones that are being used are going to overwhelm the $4,000,000 missiles used to stop them.
Perhaps america will get just enough of a kick in the teeth for our government to reel itself in and take care of our war criminals and profiteers… /cue_maniacal_laughter at that thought ever actually happening.
Okay you maybe right however if no one won’t do anything about it then don’t bitch about it.
I could literally give zero fucks about an Iranian/Russian/ us/French/ Canadian war ship. I hope all the warships from every country kill each other. But please bring Petey with you.
I expect this to be unpopular with the hive:
When you join a military, you take the risk that someone might shoot at you at some point.
It’s a warship, not a civilian ship, what’s the problem? I can’t think of a “better” target in a war than a warship.
Is that little knob on the bow for spraying lemonade at the thirsty? Are those boxes in the back for delivering free meals to underprivileged students?
Someone help me see your viewpoint as to why sinking this ship is an especially evil action getting as much attention as a literal girl’s school.
I have heard through (unsourced reddit comments keep in mind) that the US knew about the war games and was supposed to take place and pulled out last minute. So they knew that the ship was partaking and still blew it up. The US participated in the 2024 edition, so it seems like it was true.
I also don’t understand that would be a sticking point. It was in international waters when it was sank, so I assume it was returning home to get armed with shells, torpedoes, and missiles. Why wait for a warship to become an active threat before striking it?
It presumably had the option to either surrender itself to a neutral port, as another Iranian warship has done, or fly the white flag.
Because they knew it wasn’t a threat. They could have intercepted it, and the crew would likely have surrendered, and there would have been no senseless loss of life. It did not have that option as far as I can tell. It seems like Mr Social media content Hegseth wanted a video to share on socials to show how badass we are and opted to blow away innocents. That is fucked, and if you can’t see why, I can’t help you.
Submarines haven’t asked for surrenders in over a century. They stopped because ships that “should be unarmed” kept blowing them out if the water once they gave up stealth. Would you gamble your ship and crew on an Iranian warship following wargames rules to the T?
The ship was waiting to surrender to Sri Lanka I think. There was another one that had priority that did surrender while the one that was hit was next in line.
How about doing the minimum and reading the article?
Did that first, found the article filled with emotion and lacking explanation. Thanks for the coolguy snappy comment instead of explaining that view tho. It’s a warship, not a hospital boat. It’s designed to shoot missiles, shells, and torpedos.
Submarines haven’t surfaced to ask for surrenders since WW1. They stopped during, because asking for surrenders resulted in getting blown out of the water by ships that “should be” unarmed. If you were captain, would you gamble everyone on board your ship by giving up a submarine’s greatest weapon, stealth, on the assumption a warship belonging to a rules-flouting authoritarian regime is following the rules?
Your comment does multiple things at once.
You are asking why the outrage over this vs the school. Well, that’s a false dilemma. Nobody says the school bombing was A-OK.
You’re asserting that being in a country’s Navy makes it so that you accept the risk someone might shoot you. Well, nobody says it isn’t so. But that doesn’t make that loss of life A-OK. This is especially shocking given the brutal nature of a ship being torpedoed like that.
The United States has not declared war on Iran according to their own fucking constitution. They only make a bullshit self defense argument. But the ship was in an unrelated part of the world, in Shri Lanka, so literally unable to threaten anything. So the killing felt gratuitous, cold blooded, brutal, unnecessary. The US could have neutralized the ship in a more humane way, given them a chance to surrender, etc. Instead they chose this.
So, no, this isn’t more important than the bombing of the school, and yes it is a warship but it’s still brutal and shocking. Your scolding of people’s natural aversion to this massacre is just not helpful.
Your comment also does several things at once.
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Still fails to tell why sinking a warship gets more comment than literally massacring protesters or literally bombing a school.
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I was operating under the basic assumption we’re adults who agree war is evil, and people die in wars. War is never fucking “A-OK” as you describe it. 2a. War exists, war is inherently evil, because humans are humans. If you volunteer for war, and then don’t want to participate, surrender yourself to a neutral country.
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WOAOWOOWWOWOW a nation didn’t actually do the political process of " I declare war"??? Grow up.
Throughout the full history of submarine warfare, warning “unarmed” ships they should surrender has resulted in submarines getting blown the fuck out of the water by “unarmed” ships.
How is this “brutal and shocking”? They could have sailed to a neutral port and surrendered to the neutral nation, as another Iranian ship just did.
Your statement that this gets more attention than killings of civilians is not as obviously true as you make it. This is the first thread on Lemmy I’ve seen for example specifically discussing the ship whereas I’ve seen multiple others discussing the school bombing. So I’m not sure I know what you’re talking about here.
About the other two, again I’m not sure where you’re getting at. You’re digging your heels on what exactly? That people should not be upset about this? My points 2 and 3 tried to describe some reasons why people might feel upset. Your point is what? “Fuck your feelings”? I mean ok, you can say that, but then what?
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This bastard killed hundreds of defenseless people and we are doing condemnation here
He should be hanged
Shitgeth is quite the entertaining comedian for Putin.
I hope the sub mutinies.
The ones that followed his order? Apparently not.
In the calmest of times submarines have poor connectivity with the outside world, so there’s no telling what they’ve been told.
They have been told that they are to engage with any Iranian vessels and to disregard international law (including the Genova Convention and such.)
They’re told to be warriors!
/s
You joke but warlord Pete probably has said that
German chancelor said this too. It seems all these elites are already “in” on it.
Why Hegseth? He didn’t push the button, but some idiot to whom ordinary Americans would shout “thank you for your service.” “I’m just following orders” is not an excuse, many such people were shot by the Nuremberg Tribunal for war crimes they committed because someone ordered them to.
Because responsibility starts with leadership. It’s a very simple concept that current leaders ignore and we pay the price for.
No one was shot as a result of Nuremberg trials. And only, like, nine people were hanged as a result of them.
Both, both is good
It’s called command climate. The messaging from those in charge has a direct bearing on how the troops behave. Hegseth has consistently advocated brutality and disregard for international law and human life.
The submarine commander didn’t do this unilaterally. He was clearly ordered to do so, and that order would have come from Hegseth or Trump.
Like he said in a speech: “We kick the ones that are already down.”
More than 50% of the US voted for this.
About 100% of the US have no issues with this. Or when did you start opposing your government in another form, instead of complaining online? Other governments have been overthrown for less.
Anyways, fighting for the US or Iranian army is quite stupid nowadays. Nothing “proud” if you fight for a fascist or religious leader.
It was under 49% of under 66%, or 32%, tops who voted for this. Still heinous, but I suppose that doesn’t fit the narrative of “most Americans are terrible!”
By your logic, Europeans 100% don’t have any issue with what America does because they fall in line and do America’s bidding most of the time. Otherwise, they would have effectively changed their government(s) to one(s) that do not go along to get along, instead of just complaining online, right?
Sure. Just ignore what Germany does, because their Chancellor is a dipshit, too. Now tell me again what Spain did recently? Seems like you forgot that majority of Europe does NOT play along
I wish none of them would play along. But I don’t vilify every citizen of the countries that do.
77m voted for Trump which is 32% of the voting age population.
As a percentage of the overall population it is ~23%.
Says guy online, also doing nothing to physically stop the world’s largest military or assassinate that nation’s horrible leaders.
Oh fuck off. You know what would have been a real easy way to stop these cunts? If fucking American dipshits had gotten off of their fat fucking arses and voted against him. The American people are solely to blame for these arseholes, nobody else. Own it.
Clean your own mess.
“We are a powerful nation, so we can do nothing to stop this.”
Impeccable.
Why should I? You are aware, that there are people living outside the borders of the US? And they all give zero fucks.
More than half of America did not vote for this. Stop making stuff up.
People who don’t vote are part of the problem. That’s how democracy works. I know, ‘muricans struggle to understand this concept.
The Iranians are fighting for the survival of their country against the nazi pedophile coalition. thet are in no way comparable to those fighting for the nazi pedophile imperialists, despite many aspects of Iranian governance being unsavoury.
Okay just ignore the fact that 30k protestors were killed, the oppression of literally anything for decades and the killing of anyone who raised the voice against the Supreme Leader.
I was going to give a proper reply explaining the historical and geopilitical context, but I realized it would be like arguing witth a German in 1941 why I want the Soviet Union to win the war rather than the Reich, so I’ll ixnay that. May Iran continue to strike hard at the American and Israeli aggressors, and may they humiliate the nazi pigs for all the world to see.
Oh I agree, Israel has to be gone, and the fascist ‘muricans, too. But I also don’t mind that Khamenei is dead, as religious extremists are not one bit better than a zionist or nazi.
I’ll take moderate shia theocrats over nazis any day, but I digress. The truth is that Iran’s government has hardline factions and moderate factions. Outrside aggression makes the hardline faction stronger, and if America just left Iran alone, the moderates would eventually be predominant and Iran would eventually moderate into a secular or quasi-secular state.
However, at the same time the moderates are also the more neoliberal faction, while the religious conservatives are more economically progressive - kind of like Sharia law social democrats, in a sense.
And you know what is funny about all the shit Israel now caused? The CIA is actually very good at overthrowing foreign governments from the inside. It probably would have worked for Iran, as there are too many people remembering the good old Persian days. But Bibi and his right wing Jews just made everything worse, even for the citizens of Israel and Palestine.
I think it’s clear that Americans were always so ruthless, depraved and racist. Over the past decades they simply had good PR. They killed thousands of civilians in Hiroshima just to show off and then engaged in decades long campaign of murder, rape and plunder all over the world. The only thing that saved them from being seen for what they are was good marketing: movies selling the American dream, well behaved politicians pretending they are leading civilized country and economic power keeping everyone else in check. This is simply the mask falling off. Trump and his administration are to stupid to play the PR game and everyone can see what US really is.
Iran’s military would NEVER attack a defenseless target!
How about we destroy all of their military assets and if the soldiers don’t want to get killed, they can desert?
When you have to prove that US is actually not worse than a brutal regime but only just as bad you’re not doing as great as you think.
Okay but what armed conflict ever do you sit and wait for them to pick up ammo.
who the fuck are you destroy other countries military assets? americans are all scum without any exception, fuck off
“We”?
Where you deployed to, chickenhawk?
How about we try and be better behaved than goddamned terrorists?
No? You don’t want to meet that incredibly low standard? Then congrats, you’re also a terrorist. Great job. America is a terrorist nation under Donald “Pig who rapes kids” Trump.
I think it’s clear that white men were always so ruthless, depraved and racist.
FTFY.
I’m not sure of the ethnicities of the US personnel that drowned the unharmed Iranians but statistically speaking not all of the were white men but all of them US Americans.
So probably racist is not the right word.
So just ‘men’ then? Or you don’t have genocide in Africa?
But if Americans are specially racists and ruthless is an interesting question. On one hand I’m pretty sure they simply took advantage of their position on international stage and many other countries would do the same in their situation. Russians for sure are not better. On the other hand any country could oppress big parts of their population the way US does and most civilized countries don’t do it. US is leading the world in mass incarceration, still loves death penalty and is practicing slavery. European countries could do the same but don’t for some reason. Is lack of power the only reason? I think American ideology has a lot to do with it. I managed to create the richest shithole in the world and that’s a very unique achievement. Personally I think it is the result of brainwashing every American goes trough.
I read somewhere how the educational system in the British Empire was specifically designed to create people able to ruthlessly govern over vast population of people. Is American system designed in the same way? A mix of superiority and stupidity that makes people immune to self-reflection and ready to brutalize everyone they see as the lower class?
No ethnicity has a monopoly on racism. It is global to the human condiction. It may be that in European / US it’s predominantly by white European people. But it’s not hard to find examples of it all around the world, extant and from the past where ethnicity, caste, religion, language is used as an excuse to hate on and subjugate some outside group.
I hope he angers Khrusty Noem to point of. Welp, we all know what she does when upset & confronted. Is there a line on what animal/or hegseth she might ixnay in retaliation for her unfortunate day? I know she was simply laterally moved b/c now she is S.H.E.I.L.D. Barbie. Oh Lawd, I wish so hard I was making this up. But nah, we are at this point on the map.🙏
These murderous pedophiles will do anything to distract from the Epstein files.
