“Perpetrators offer a service that will not be put into effect, or offer a service that solves a problem that would not exist without the racket.”
The very definition of racketeering.
You guys pay youtube?
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Yeah, not having ads in the phone app, the TV app, the music app on the phone or in the browser is really nice, I love it. Also got that for all my friends and family.
Never paid YouTube a dime though :)
how can I do it on the tv app? I have a Google tv and and a mibox and I absolutely hate watching youtube on those bc the fucking ads are over a minute long sometimes.
PiHole exists!
Stupid question, but does pihole offer any substantial benefit over using a remote ad-blocking DNS like AdGuard or whatever?
It’s a good way to dip your toes into learning about Linux, self-hosting, and administering reliable services.
Functionally they are the same though.
Please see my comment parallel to yours.
This thread is about dns level blocking not client side blocking.
Its both, actually. Ublock is client side and only available on Firefox, PiHole is network wide and available for anyone who can setup a simple DNS server.
Yes. And the person I replied to was asking if running your own dns is somehow different than using an opinionated dns service. The answer is no.
Please ignore the other two commenters…
Adblockers block ads at the user level, meaning you have to manage the adblocker for each device in your ecosystem.
PiHole and similar DNS based ad blocking technologies OTOH block ads at the network level and only needs one install location to manage content for all devices you have on your network.
This means with PiHole you can have one set of custom rules that block all ads at the network level by using a set of pre-loaded and customizeable DNS blocklists. OR! you can install Ublock on 2 devices in your house and let the other 7 devices that have no access to adblockers (like IoT devices) be subject to the atrocity that is modern advertising.
Additionally, adblockers in browsers can eventually be shut off. See: Google Chrome and Ublock Origin.
But what does a pihole (which is DNS blocking) do that AdGuard’s free public DNS (which is DNS blocking) doesn’t? Of course uBlock Origin alongside them is better, but what’s a pihole specificallt doing?
I was pretty specific as to what advantages PiHole has over Ublock alone.
Please re-read the above comment and lmk if I can clarify anything.
And I was pretty specific about PiHole over AdGuard’s public DNS. And to be honest, the person you originally replied to was as well.
He was asking about pi hole versus and AdGuard DNS.
They’re basically the same thing
Pihole does not stop youtube ads as they are served through youtube’s domains. You need ublock or something like that.
Having everything connected to the router automatically get ad blocking is great.
I do wish the pihole was easier to use. I don’t think my parents would be up for manually updating it via SSH in a console.
You can access the web client from any connected machine and do it from there.
Also you can save the IP from the machine running it as a local DNS entry, something like pi.hole, so they can just type pi.hole/admin in the browser to access the dashboard
DuckDuckGo player does pretty good.
I want to set one up someday. I just need to get around to it
Story of my life…
The perfect crime.
Friend one day added me to his family plan because they had one space open. I’m still in the habit of always going to youtube in ways I can ad-block but am always pleasantly surprised when I go in the normal youtube app and I have no ads. I’ll pay for the service though
I’ve said this a few times in various places, but I’m really surprised we aren’t allowed to bid for ad space for ourselves to not show an ad the way advertisers do for ads. Obviously a flat monthly rate is simpler, nobody is denying that, but just from a purely “free market” perspective (which shareholders love to say they want while using the government to crush opposition) why can’t I pay slightly more than whatever small amount of money someone is paying to show me an ad to not see the ad?
Realistically I don’t think we’ll ever see that because it’s a fairly complicated. I don’t have any hard data, but I can’t imagine that the majority of users using something like YouTube Premium are getting a “good deal.” Sure, some folks probably watch all day every day and they get the better end of the deal, but I’d bet for a lot of folks YouTube makes more money off charging the subscription than they would showing the ads. Which is sort of an odd scenario we’ve gotten ourselves into (but amazing if you’re a company that serves ads).
That has to be built by all the people together
Its a good idea but mentally people hate micro-transactions(transactions that are lower than 10cents) so they get mad every time its suggested. Plus its technically quite challenging to process those kind of transactions efficiently.
You wouldn’t prompt them every time. And it would be no more difficult than serving the ads which are also charging every time they’re shown.
No I wouldnt prompt them at all because the costs would be so low. Even if you paid 5x what an ad pays you’d spend less than a dollar or two a week. But people hate the idea of paying half a cent when visiting a website or watching a youtube video because they think they either shouldnt have to or that it will eventually become $2 to vist that blog and $4 to watch that video and thats a horrible future.
I feel like you’re not getting the vision. It would be the same process as subscribing, but money just gets drained from a pool per ad instead of a flat monthly fee. It’s not something you’re seeing a popup for. And it would never cost 5x what an ad costs. It would only ever cost $4 to watch a video without an ad if an advertiser was willing to spend $4 to show you an ad. To put that in perspective, ad impressions are bought in units of cpm which stands for cost per mille which is the amount they pay for one thousand impressions. That would be $4,000 cpm. That’s absolutely insane. That’s orders of magnitude more than what it is today. Nobody is ever going to spend that much to show you an ad unless it’s some crazy profitable, super targeted, ultra niche campaign.
The whole point of this thought exercise is to explore what companies make in a month from ads versus what they charge for a month of ad free service. People bid for your attention. I think I should be able to bid for it myself instead of paying some opaque, flat rate per month.
I’d have paid the fee for ad-free YouTube if it didn’t also come with an (expensive) subscription to YouTube music.
Nowadays though I don’t want to give Google money for anything, even incidentally. I just use Ublock Origin.
I’m gonna pay you $0 to fuck off (with ublock)
Its much better to pay YouTube so the YouTuber get money based on what the audience wants, and not what the Advertiser want from Youtube.
Sounds like you’re describing Nebula
Nebula does not bring an audience like YouTube can, so its not a solution yet.
I think YouTube should have a free tier with limited watch minutes of low quality, not an advertising tier.
@SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works @calculon@lemmy.ml They wouldn’t make half as much money that way. And that would be okay, if it weren’t because YouTube is a corporate piece of shit and needs to grow at infinite rate in order to exist.
They call it a double-sided economy.
I call it “let’s fuck everyone.”
Never given YouTube a dime and never will
Never clicking on any online ad is another goal to strive for.
Grayjay is great for YouTube too
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Which still have ads or at least track you.
Imagine…… paying money just to get ads anyway. What a fucking scam
Every single youtube channel needs to start seeding torrents of their videos, and posting those links to other platforms (here, mastodon, etc).
Youtube / google could be defeated collectively if creators were to consistently do this, and interested people had the ability to help seed videos.
I mean peer tube and similar exist. I think the majority of channels with over a 25k views, I don’t think there’s a consistant number anyone gets, but something like 100 bucks per 25k views or so is pretty common.
Peer tube uses webtorrents, which for many reasons haven’t caught on. It’s still mainly centralized nodes with massive hosting costs. Torrents are the fully decentralized answer.
I’m just so tired of the algorhythms. It’s like being in a cage mentally.
I go to my son’s house, and start browsing through his streamers, and he’s got all kinds of stuff I never see. They keep me boxed into the algorithm they’ve assigned to me, and wont let me see anything else, so I keep picking from their choices for me, which only locks me harder into their box.
I’ve tried to escape several times with no luck. I’ve deleted my entire history, views, comments, unsubscribed from channels, you name it. Within a day it looks like I never left.
WDYM by “browsing through”? As in, you get different search results? Or a different start page with suggested videos?
Maybe I’m weird, but I never use that. Either I have a specific need (an instruction video, a specific song or video episode). Then I use the search. Or I want to see what’s new. Then I check the channels of creators I like.
If you use the platform like that (which is basically like Lemmy), it’s a lot harder to algorithmically lock you in. (I only use third-party clients like FreeTube and Newpipe though, which block most types of tracking and don’t require a Google account).
I mean the platforms suggestions for what their algorithm thinks you’ll like. My son’s suggestions look a lot different from mine. I’d like to see some of those kinds of suggestions on mine (mostly classic films), but I get lots of junk, so I end up watching junk, so it recommends more junk.
I want to get off this treadmill, and in to a different one.
But a lot of YouTube channels get money through youtube
In most cases, not all that much. YouTube is mainly useful for getting views and building an audience. It’s a combination of revenue sources like sponsors, merchandise, donations, etc., that really make it worthwhile for creators.
Most of the channels I know ask for donations via patreon or other funding platforms. I don’t think youtube pays much except for maybe the top 1% of slop channels.
A lot more people make money than the top 1%. The top 1% make big money, but many more may not make a fortune, but it’s a legit side hustle for them. Get into the right niche, and you can do VERY well.
Kinda makes sense tho. Either they earn money on you from ads or they make money from you because of subscription. Or you’re like me and you still block the ads even though YouTube does everything it can to stop you.
I wouldn’t really mind watching some ads before a video, but I don’t wanna get constantly interrupted or have the ads track me everywhere. I tend to watch the in-video ads from creators tho, because most people I follow have relevant ads, funny ads, or ar the very least deserve some revenue.
I don’t pay anything. Just use newpipe/ublock/smarttube
Revanced and Tubular, for those who want more flavours.
