“Never argue with stupid people because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” George Carlin
Yeah. They think it’s me, I think it’s them
The fact that I’m a 2/10 isn’t even the reason I’m so full of shit though.
i feel like this is talking about me.
however it’s not bullshit, it’s often just another point of view, and people should get more exposed to that. it’s not as if i’m being mean or obtuse either. people downvote me because it doesn’t (yet) fit their world model
“Yet” in that context is hilariously egoistic and arrogant, good job.
Well, there is a 50/50 chance it can be correct at some point.
I live in rual northern Nevada and everyone here is hardcore brainwashed republicans. I used to try to correct them when they said dumb shit but it just made me look stupid, so now I just watch and listen to there ramblings. It’s more entertaining for me and less of a headache.
I lived in rural Idaho during the Obama years and I can’t count the times I had to hear people joking about lynching him. My kids even reported to me their peers would regularly fantasize about shooting the President on the school bus. It was a real eye opener for me and I lost what little respect I had for conservatives.
Same here, actually that is still a thing. The day after Obama won in 2008 I came to work you would’ve thought a second 9/11 had happened. People were legitimately depressed and in raged by it.
online arguments never change minds, they only serve to galvanize each persons prior beliefs
I think this is mostly true IRL too
People will not show you that they’ve been convinced, but inside something may have shifted.
People will not show you that they’ve been convinced,
And this is a major fucking problem imo.
If people would just be ok with admitting they were wrong about things, the situation wouldn’t be nearly as dire
liar!
Its not about changing your opponent’s mind. It’s about the people reading along. You aren’t talking to your opponent. You’re talking to the audience you share with that opponent. Never forget that.
disagree, I’ve changed my mind several times through online arguments. Not always a flip but often reality is not as binary as you think and opposition has some important points.
- This is not always true.
- There is a third person in this equation.
False. I was deeply religious growing up but can remember the exact “debate” with an online athiest that planted the doubts and lead to my deconversion.
i don’t see it that way, my views have changed significantly because of the discussions i’ve had (mostly online)
The majority of my currently held opinions on things have been shaped and influenced by over a decade of online forums discussion boards and conversations with strangers who hold different views as mine
I usually explain the phenomenon of the internet similar to that of the printing press. It makes the smart people smarter (easier access to information) and dumb people dumber (they can’t detect misinformation and manipulation thus will trend towards the worst possible outcomes). If you are a smart person without access to higher education YouTube and Wikipedia is the greatest invention of mankind; if you are a retard then YouTube leads you to binge watching Candace Owens
It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person. It’s damn near impossible to win an argument with an idiot.
The point you know you’ve beat an idiot in an argument…either they wanna fight you, they start attacking your character or they end the argument with a bullshit excuse.
Yeah, but then why have you bothered?
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MAGAs. Sometimes I don’t even debate them, I ignore them and talk about them as if they weren’t there, make fun of their arguments, laugh at them, mock them, just generally bully them, without even addressing them directly. They really hate that.
MAGAs and Anti-Vaxxers are about the only acceptable bullying targets, and they should be bullied as viciously and as relentlessly as possible. The damage they have done is incalculable, they deserve it.
I’ve yet to encounter either on Lemmy.
Oh they’re out there. Talking ABOUT them, instead of talking TO them pisses them off because they are looking for an argument with a “Liberal®” so they can practice the conservative debate skills they hear on the radio or TV when the host sounds so smart debating nobody. They think they can do it for real (they can’t), so it is immensely frustrating when their intended target won’t engage, and mocks them instead.
Finding lemmy requires a certain level of knowledge they don’t really have. They go for the path of least resistance: Reddit.
2? more like 6
If actual conservatives existed here I’d agree.
Conservatives do exist here, there are plenty of people that actually believe Harris would have been a good president or that the US is capable of good actions.
I’ve even see people unironically support USAID and the NED. That kind of far-right bullshit is why some of us left reddit.
How the fuck is USAID “far right bullshit”?
How is the US propaganda source that statistically only handles a partial clean up of US military and intelligence community actions ‘far right bullshit?’
If I come into your home, kill your pets, piss in your fridge, and mutilate your children, but then I pay someone to come in and give you some new food so I can print in the news paper that I am kindly and benevolently feeding a victim of a tragedy… am I the good guy?
No. I am attempting to generate positive propaganda to help people ignore the fact I caused the entire fucking situation to begin with.
There are no USAID projects that cannot directly be linked to a US military or intelligence operation. None. Not a single one.
What about the assistance with AIDS, malaria, smallpox, clean water in Nepal, Ebola in Sierra Leon or the disaster relief after the typhoon in the Philippines(a quick short list)? Or was that all CIA black ops psyops bullshit?
The diseases the US has been experimenting with since the 1950s, many times on its own population e.g. the Tuguskee experiments?
AIDs, smallpox, malaria and ebola came from the US and they all started in the 50s? Do they also use weather machines to hit countries with disasters so they can provide aid? You’re doing the thing in the post perfectly.
It’s called soft power.
You can disagree with how it was done, but the results are undeniable (and have only been made more clear since it was shut down)
People not starving to death or dying of disease is a bad thing, obviously.
…The results have been terrible for the entire world besides the US.
Yeah you’re proving the point I made by expressing your standard for “conservative”. Lemmy has the slightly left of center, left, leftist, extremist left and anarchists/communists. Which is fine, its my preference too. But it’s not a representation of the actual political spectrum. If you think it is you’re in an echo chamber.
‘Conservative’ is conserving the old world. Conservatives in the 1800s wanted a return to feudalism as a reactionary backlash to liberalism.
Liberalism and liberal ideology has been the only ‘valid’ ideology for states for 2 centuries.
It is conservative to defend liberalism. It’s conservative to defend neoliberalism.
In order to be ‘progressive’ you have to at least be a ‘radical’ socialist that wants the abolition of capitalism.
Yeah like I said, you’re continuing to prove my point.
I’m correcting your point. Yes, a lot of the US is conservative. Most of the world isn’t. Only a US-Centric viewpoint would define liberalism as anything other than a conservative old-fashioned ideology only held by people that worship nazis.
You’re a shining star absolutely perfecting the point I made. Thank you for enforcing the facts I stated. The “most of the world” you’re talking about extends mostly to a dozen European countries with few exceptions. Not to an actual majority in regards to population. You’re absolutely killing the game when it comes to my post.
Conservative ideology is about defining underclasses that have fewer or no rights. Sadly, that type of hierarchical thinking is present everywhere and probably in everyone to some degree or another.
So we’re not immune.
Sounds like a .ml thing.
Sure. Charlie Kirk was a fantastic example.
He’s alive debating gun laws on here, that video was AI.
“Right extremists are defending Democracy”
Just 2 weeks ago and I still haven’t recovered from hearing that in person.
Allegedly the guy who shot Charlie Kirk was a right extremist who’s take was Kirk was too moderate.
So far I think it’s a net gain for democracy though.
It’s an interesting hypothesis
Wasn’t that assumed because of the family, but he actually turned left?
Utah County prosecutor Jeffrey Gray said that Robinson’s mother told investigators that her son had become more political over the last year and had started to “lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights–oriented”.
Fair enough.
This does not support my hypothesis
My hypothesis is that the reason we’ve been seeing a lot of significant assassination attempts come from people who had been far right but are recently disillusioned or having a leftward turn is that the right has been priming and training itself for political violence for years (since about Ruby Ridge and Waco) and been engaged in the behavior they’re justifying their training and rhetoric by saying they need to violently stop governments from acting this way. So you have people ready to do violence, prepared to stop overreaching or totalitarian governments, and when these people stop being blinded by the propaganda, they start to see that behavior in their party and the ones who were actually ready to do violence do it.
this could be because they understand “democracy” completely differently, though honestly it’s probably just a cover for “our way of life” or “our interests”
like when the US goes to the middle east to spread “democracy”, they’re not actually spreading a better quality of life for the people, just violence and bloodshed. could be that your acquaintance meant it in that way.
I met a guy in a sauna the other day who started preaching to me and saying that he doesn’t believe in science because it contradicts the bible story of creation.
I just had nothing to say to this man. His perception of reality is so far off base that I cannot comprehend his thought processes.
Maybe the temperature of the sauna was a little to high? /s
I went to a catholic school in my country. We got teach biology, evolution, genetics and we also got sexual education including abortion (the practice was illegal at the time). One of the first things that i remember from our teology classes was that “we shouldn’t take what is written in the bible in a literal sense and that it was written to a particular volk in a particular time by men”… and the example the Father used was specifically the Genesis, meaning “earth was not created in 6 days”.
I read stories of those lunatics, i mean, those who trully are in a crusade against reality. Are those more common over the ecuator or something?
did you ask him why he thinks that the bible is true?
“Because it is the word of god”
“Ok, and you know that because…?”
"The Bible says so.’
“And why do you think the Bible is true?”
Rinse and repeat
I was trying to relax in the sauna, so I didn’t want to get into it. Which is part of the problem with preaching like that!
This is what lead me to question my own faith: just someone asking honest questions with real curiosity
Keep it mind it can take years for those seeds to bloom from doubt to realisation
This reminds me of talking to tankies on Lemmy, which is probably a futile endeavour.
For example, they seem to think that Russia’s imperialist invasion of Ukraine is justified. They think that Russia murdering Ukrainians with missiles and drones is justified. I can tell them that these actions are wrong, but they won’t listen.
they seem to think that Russia’s imperialist invasion of Ukraine is justified.
They don’t see it as imperialistic. With other motives it’s easier to justify.
Yeah I guess they see it as the plucky underdog of Russia taking on the decadent oppressive behemoth of the West. Invading Ukraine isn’t taking on the West though. It’s just Putin’s attempt to subjugate Ukrainians to the will of Moscow.
living through .ml during the first days ruzi invasion of Ukraine was quite something.
Just look at the comments that aged like fine barrel of milk: https://lemmy.ml/post/180102 sadly the wayback machine didn’t archive the most toxic drivel I’ve seen there. At this point it was very apparent that .ml is going the way of all social reject social networks like voat or minds etc. there’s a point where a social network crosses this threshold and becomes irredeemable and that was that point for .ml
yeah you’re not gonna convince people who have the violence and bloodshed running through their veins; where would you even start to discuss that?
i think international law should be based on some principles that are easy to see for everybody, the whole russia situation is all fucked up and it’s largely because people in russia often have such a bad quality of life that it turns into “seeking an external enemy to blame it on” which then leads to invasion.
This was part of why I wanted an unencrypted “X-Domestic” HTTP header. Cannot be sent across national borders, under penalty of…wrist slaps.
Not a full betrayal of one’s identity, but it could at least be used to declare “Hey, I’m a resident of the country you’re in, talking about our politics”. We know there’s an abundance of foreign manipulation going on, we just don’t know how much exactly.
Yeah, people who still consume animal products.
Oh, also people who just blame capitalism for everything, especially when it comes to any kind of change in their lifestyle or even the slightest inconvenience to their daily routines.
Meat is murder, but veganism is genocide.
Fight me w your pale pasta fueled arms. I dare you.
Edit: wait, you won me over with your closing position. Now I love you, lets run away together.
How is veganism genocide? Not agreeing with the approach of the person you replied to but that’s an odd statement to me.
Oh 😅 Yes absolutely. I’m the monster in this comic.
