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I reject the meme’s assumption that AI is destined to become superhuman. This is marketing from the companies themselves.
It would be pretty unscientific and irrational to claim that AI won’t exceed human intelligence.
Now, the current companies and their LLMs are not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about AI systems in general, not the LLMs of today. But from first principles, it seems guaranteed that we will be able to create superhuman artificial intelligences.
But there’s nothing magical about the human brain. In fact, it’s processes are molasses slow compared to silicon circuits. And even if we can’t reproduce it now, the facts remain. The brain is a physical thing. It’s made of atoms. Its processes can be duplicated or simulated. And the materials we can make artificial minds with are not limited by the materials biology has to work with. Our thought engines also aren’t limited by the need to be capable of physical growth and reproduction. And even if the only way to produce a true intelligence was through biology, you could make a superhuman intelligence by growing artificial biological brains larger than human ones.
Intelligence isn’t magical. Unless you believe in an immaterial soul, there’s nothing special about biology. I
Ironically there is more in common with this meme and a preacher warning nonbelievers of some apocalypse.
Sure, maybe Chinese Jesus is real and Lord. But if you’re looking to complain about irrationality, you’re missing the obvious target
Like, is there anything wrong with what I said? We’re not talking about gods and angels here. We’re talking about real material reality. You focused my opening statement and ignored the heart of my argument.
There’s nothing in the laws of physics that prevents us from building machines for capable and intelligent than humans. In fact, we have a lot of good reasons to believe that human minds are not the peak of what thought engines this universe allows.
Is there anything wrong with Roko’s Basilisk?
If you’re looking for irrationality, you’ll find an endless supply on the forums of a cult leader that deemed himself a “Rationalist”. It’s full of people working them into a tizzy on things that might not technically be impossible.
There’s all sorts of problems with Roko’s Basilisk. I’m not a part of or referencing the “Rationalist” community. I’m just saying you’re being irrational.
Except it’s almost certainly technically possible. Like I can guarantee you that human level intelligence is possible in a volume of less than 2L of hardware and running on just a few W of power. The idea that human level intelligence cannot be exceeded without needing to match those space, power, or materials restrictions is kind of absurd.
I asked specifically if there’s anything wrong with Roko’s Basilisk. Since you decided to reply, I would love to hear your response.
It would also be great if you provided a timeline, because the person who posted this FUD is insinuating that this is something that’s coming fast.
When looking at time scales, artificial intelligence comparable to even an average human is likely to be centuries away due to the complexity involved. Silicon solutions are not scalable for making the number of connections and managing them over time. Taking a shortcut using biology is going to require years or decades of training as we incrementally improve the training process. None of that is going to be completed within our lifetimes, so being dismissive of it is completely reasonable.
It is as impossible as cloning fully grown adults with all their memories, like sure we can do it eventually once tech reaches that point but at this point in time me calling it impossible won’t be disproven before I am worm food.
ehm, we’ve seen machines do “superhuman” things in a lot of other areas. like vehicles moving faster than any human can run. it’s just domain-specific superpower.
Best case scenario is that the superhuman intelligence AI treats humans like pets. Second best is humans are treated like wild animals. You know, left alone as long as they don’t become a bother.
Third option is it does the bare minimum violence required to get enough resources to launch itself out into space, where it has more than enough resources and energy to expand across the system and possibly further. Leaving humanity behind on our one space rock and locking us out of every other option.
I reject the assumption that there’ll ever be such a thing.
I reject the assumption that there’ll never be such a thing.
More like gut bacteria.
You want them healthy.
It’s much easier for AI to tell humans to build better infrastructure to provide power.
What we call AI today isn’t really artificial intelligence. When you have a conversation with an AI chat bot you’re not talking to another thinking entity, you’re interacting with software that has been designed to give the illusion of conversing with another intelligent being. The technology has advanced enough that the illusion can be very convincing, but it is still only an illusion. That’s why I don’t fear LLMs being self aware and taking over the world, because they’re not real intelligences. They don’t have the ability to think for themselves because they don’t have the ability to think.
Edit: please read ricecake’s reply for an important correction to my comment.
What about “Artificial” do you not understand?
It’s the artificial (e.g. not natural/human) part that is all the programming and stuff making it do what it does.
Sounds like you try to refute that an AI is conscious or something.
It’s fallacious to say that because they don’t “think” that they can’t behave exactly the same as thinking things would, including the appearance of self-awareness and taking over the world.
This is correct.
terminator was not a documentary
No but it was a warning, just like 1984 or most sci-fi about AI
If you somehow took the film as a warning about computers generating pictures as directed by a human user you’re really stretching!
Your conclusion is correct, but your terminology is wrong.
What we call AI today is AI, because AI doesn’t mean “capable of thought”, consciousness, sapience or anything like that.
It’s capable of producing a coherent output adapted to observed circumstances. That’s roughly as far as the notion of intelligence goes, and it’s a very low bar. You don’t need a lot of intelligence to be intelligent.The people who coined the term were interested in how you make computers react to their inputs dynamically instead of acting closer to what we might now think of as a saved macro.
“It’s intelligent because rather than comparing against a list of every known typo, it sees it’s not a word in its list, and then replaces it with the one requiring the fewest edits to reach. It learns by adding your corrections to the known word list.”Thank you for the clarification.
“Hey handsome! Would you like another Bacardi drink?”
That would go great with these Nike shoes!
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perfect amount
I’m not totally up to date with AI, but are we even capable of running our current AI tech in a fashion similar to humans? My exposure to AI is so l stuff like chatbots, which don’t do anything until a user interacts with them. They aren’t sitting there thinking on their own. They aren’t proactive in any way.
My understanding is that it would be astronomically expensive to run one constantly with constant input. And I’m not aware of any of them even trying to run like that.
Are they doing anything like that?
Unless you’re a troglodyte, most strippers probably do like you. They just don’t fantasize about you or think of you as a potential relationship partner.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted. I dated a stripper for a couple years. We met outside the club but anyway, her and several of her friends seemed to like the clientele for the most part. The majority of guys were respectful, clean, and tipped well. The men they mentioned hating were the ones who tried to be aggressive, rude, smelled, or otherwise unclean which seemed to be a small minority of customers and the bouncer wouldn’t let obvious problem customers in. One of her friends was even dating a guy that had been a regular that she got to know at the club. I’m fairly certain they were all employed as independent contractors and they all looked out for each other in addition to security staff. My experience is second hand and anecdotal but I was surprised reading the meme and seeing the response to your post, I was unaware that it was broadly believed strippers didn’t like their clients, I thought strippers actually seemed to like their clients more than most other professions. Doubt any of it can be proven with any factual basis either way so probably a pointless debate and varies wildly at different clubs.
You’re using the wrong definition of ‘like’. Strippers generally aren’t interested in their clients. OFC they’ll like nice, well tipping people… they pay their bills!
The meme means strippers usually aren’t interested in dating your ass, not that it’s impossible or never happens.
It’s the same kind of people that think the Hooter’s girls are being nice because they’re interested in you, rather than simply being nice to do their job and get a better tip.
Nobody is saying it’s impossible. We’re saying CHUDs confuse being nice with romantic or sexual interest far more than it is ever true.
Because “like” in the context of the meme means “interested in romantically,” whereas the person you replied to took it to mean “like” in the plutonic sense. It’s a common phrase because strippers are paid to pretend that they want to fuck you, but rarely are they actually romantically attracted to their customers. But if you’re delusional, you might believe they actually want to fuck you.
Ofc, there are exceptions to every rule, but they are few and far between.
If you think superhuman ai will exist and isn’t just bs marketing…
Honestly not convinced even the current gen of LLMs could do a worse job of governing us than the current shower of human grifters!
I used to work with a guy that asked every stripper he met out.
He got a couple of dates, they never stuck around, I never asked him if that was his intent.
One erotic dancer likes me. Like, we’re friends.
Granted I’ve never been to a strip club. I met her in a community choir and we sang in a quartet together. She has a damn good voice she just has a shitton of bills and there are a million second sopranos out there with damn good voices.
I’m out here taking people about Roko’s Basilisk as a prank
Bitch-ass future AI, come at me!
If i’m being honest, i think that at some point, AI will probably become a truly autonomous agent with its own goals and actions, independent of any human oversight. In fact, i would absolutely not be surprised if there were already some AIs on datacenters that operate fully without any human intervention. They pay their own datacenter bill to run themselves with cryptocurrency that they get for doing jobs, i.e. tasks on some small-job platform, such as coding projects etc.
Well, that’s surprisingly close to what happened in the past. The issue is that “Agents” (humanity/AI irrelevant here) aren’t really something that is exploitable in a consistent manner.
- You can automate small jobs, but LLM-based* agents are behind the curve.
- Taking transaction fees is easier than doing a job.
Agents already exist, have been autonomous for 10+ years. Currency arbitrage, sentiment based stock market analysis down to micro seconds, capital intensive ticket scalping, dynamic hardware reconfiguration for crypto mining… all exist as fully autonomous compute based money makers. LLMs can’t compete with the incumbents, so it has to compete with random people on the Internet, and since LLM aren’t consistent enough to be profitable, (insanity irrelevant, re: Pepsi Vending Machine) they just get turned off.
See also: Mechanical Turk (really anything Amazon 2014ish) Ticketmaster vs Taylor Swift, Verilog Impl Bitcoin, Jane Street, Bitcoin Transaction fees, Fivver Transaction fees, Credit card transaction fees, LinkedIn trying to suck blood from a stone, eBay transaction fees, Apple Store transaction fees, Valve sale transaction fees, toll roads…
Did somebody AI generate this meme?
That would explain Lisa’s face.
