And then these same monsters get all butthurt that there are people who hate them
I think there are cultural differences that we ought to tolerate and be mindful of our biases on (how you prepare food, the clothes you wear, difference in manners, accents, language, etc.) and there are things which are universal evils (murdering children for not marrying).
It is unfair to ascribe the latter to all people belonging to a particular culture (the “you people” comment), since “universal” evil goes both ways - all people should consider it evil, but it is not unique to a particular people. A strange duality. Reminds me of the dad who “accidentally” shot and killed his daughter in Texas after an argument about Trump and was never investigated.
to ascribe the latter to all people belonging to a particular culture
They said “same monsters” though so they’re specifically talking about the people who committed the murder not any larger group of people.
“Culture” =/= Oppression
Except somehow Muslim cultures are very tolerant of these evil acts. Makes you wonder maybe there is something in the culture that allows it and there absolutely is.
Primarily Islam is a prison religion and by that I mean that Quaran is a literal guide that is not up for interpretation like other cultural thought leads. The Bible is interpreted, the teachings of Karl Marx are interpreted, the Austrian school of economics is interpreted - this gives people an opportunity to self correct. Whila Islam is literal - there’s no space for justice.
Islam will never be as flexible and just as other cultural leads, period.
Shut the fuck up, imagine whitewashing racism.
What exactly is “whitewashing racism”?
We’re all against white washing racism, but murdering women just because they refuse to be force marriage their cousins is wrong no mater what culture you speak of.
You’re clearly not against racism enough. The comment I posted was not about the incident, but how a basement dweller used this atrocity to justify his own prejudice against a group of people.
wrong no mater what culture you speak of.
Well, their culture is clearly OK with it. It shouldn’t, but it is.
You do realize that race and behavior are not intrinsically linked, right? Murdering and raping children are evil no matter who the hell does it.
You do realize the comment was not about this act, but about a set of people as a whole. No one has killed more children and raped more women than westerners in the whole history of mankind, so please stop with the crocodile tears.
Cool story, you’re still excusing a murder
You’re too stupid to understand, so think what you want to think.
If you’re too dumb to know you’ve built a strawman, well, perhaps you should check for lead in your paint.
Except we weren’t talking about other acts. Other acts can be and are horrible, but we’re talking about this act and others like it - generally regardless of country ethnicity, but specifically this one specific incidence. You can sling logical fallacies if it makes you feel better I guess, but at the end of the day you’re just being angry or trolling for the sake of it. And I’m calling you out on it.
lol. Source that claim please.
if I wanted to hear what an idiot had to say I would jam my Hands up your ass and puppet your mouth manually fuckwad
🫠 hot. Fist me, control me, degrade me, call me dirty names. You sure know how describe a good time.
Okay. I’ll fix OP’s comment.
“And then these same monsters get all butthurt that there are people who love the same gender”
You should also shut the fuck up.
I’m a man. I’ve had sex with another man. I’m also married to someone with a vagina, while I have two additional girlfriends, one of which has a vagina and one has a penis. My married partner is also in a relationship with a woman and a man, both of which have a vagina.
I hope to your own God this information upsets the fuck out of you and you think about this for at least a week.
I think the sperm that entered your mama’s was faulty, you do not have a single cell of brain matter.
The headline is misleading. The article is even worse.
The girl was not killed for refusing to marry. The girl ran away from home over the marriage (the strategy had worked for her to get out of her first marriage, at age 13). She was caught by a neighbor who did something bad to her (she did not want to say what and her family did not want to hear it). When her family found her 3 days later, they killed her for hiding at the neighbor’s house (despite the fact that she was taken there unwillingly).
All of this is in the article. I don’t understand why you have 40 people agreeing with you.
Why wouldn’t people up vote? The original comment said the main article was worse than the headline, and summarised why they thought so. What are you objecting to?
The…wrongness…The article is not even worse. The article says exactly what he claims it doesn’t. And regardless, the point is that she was ultimately killed because she tried to escape. The family’s justification is worthless, and irrelevant.
Worse as in the actions described are even more vile, not inaccurate.
The headline is misleading. The article is even worse
Those two sentences together cannot possibly be referring to the actions.
Can’t tap just scroll
Words cannot describe the hatred I feel for people that hurt kids.
Women in Iraq have been treated like absolute dirt and their literacy rates have plumeted from 99% under Saddam to around 50% last time I checked.
The breakdown of law and order is a direct result of American and Israeli interference and overthrow of Saddam after a decade of sanctions in the 90s.
Israel has been trying to crush Iraq for much longer and wanted it to be a failed state since the 1970s. Prior to Saddam even. This is the fate they want for all Arab countries.
Another disastrous Conservative outcome. They are always complaining about how incompetent government is, but it’s not the government that’s incompetent, it’s THEM.
No they only want Palestine bro. Just one more bro.
I was curious and looked up adult women literacy rates for women in Iraq and this shows 64% literacy rate for women with 15+ years age in 2000 and 78% in 2021 for the same category. For female youths aged 15-24 it rose from 80% to 91% over the same time period (though in the intervening period that did indeed drop to 72-73% in their stats during the chaos of the Iraq War).
I needed to look them up.
and this shows 64% literacy rate for women with 15+ years age in 2000 and 78% in 2021 for the same category
It’s a very thin data set. One entry for 2000. Nothing beforehand. Then nothing for 12 years that just happen to occur during the height of invasion and mass displacement of the population.
Wikipedia would suggest the literacy rate was high prior to 2000. After the invasion, there’s very mixed data, with high enrollment rates conbined with high dropout and grade repeat rates. But it’s an article plagued with dead links, so…
I don’t think it’s controversial to say the war and mass displacement resulted in declining standards for education.
Either way the war fucked up Iraq in ways that will take generations to fix.
It’s a very thin data set. One entry for 2000. Nothing beforehand. Then nothing for 12 years that just happen to occur during the height of invasion and mass displacement of the population.
I’m happy to see any data you have, that’s why I looked because 99% seemed incredibly high and the drop to 50% horrible and I wanted to check out that data. I agree this is sparse though it does ultimately come from UNESCO. There is a point on the 15-24 year old female youth graph for 2006 which is in the middle of that and another on 2011, which were the 72-73% I acknowledged. A decline of 8% for the youth until it started recovering in 2012 onward is what this particular source gives.
Wikipedia would suggest the literacy rate was high prior to 2000. After the invasion, there’s very mixed data, with high enrollment rates conbined with high dropout and grade repeat rates. But it’s an article plagued with dead links, so…
Where that Wikipedia article says “literacy levels were high” you can see that it also links to links to World Bank Open Data - the same source I used - except unsuccessfully. I would disagree that it was high based on World Bank Open Data though. If you look up global 15+ year old women’s literacy rates, the global average in 2000 was 76% so 64% in Iraq looks kind of bad comparatively.
I don’t think it’s controversial to say the war and mass displacement resulted in declining standards for education
I agree and that matches up with the drop in literacy rates for young women (whose ongoing education you would expect to be more affected by war in eight years of their childhood than for the adults). I was commenting just with respect to the stats because I was surprised.
It’s great when people bring the receipts and take the time to source a comment. Seriously, thank you.
Islam not being mentioned even once, funny.
So you’re saying this is exclusive to Islam.
Nope, I am not. Non sequitur, nice try.
Then why did you bring it up specifically?
It’s the religion of peace!
The recent push in NC to essentially allow people to murder women that try to abort their pregnancy is based on an extreme distortion of Christianity. It’s fair to say this is the current state of the religion and it’s fair to say this is an unholy bastardization of the religion. In either of these extremes it’s clear that someone’s ideology is taking priority over their humanity.
By “extreme distortion” don’t you mean “following the supplied manual”? Isn’t the peace and love hippy shit the actual distortion? Yahweh is a spiteful, vengeful, mean god after all.
God is, but he clearly says in the bible vengeance is his domain (Romans 12:19) and humans aren’t allowed to do it. That’s the kinda dick he is.
I understood it directly incited stonings
Exactly
As a non-american, it took me a detour to the all-feed to recignize NC. I agree with everything you said, and I don’t want to - in any form or shape - absolve the misanthropic facists or their spitefilled useful, radicalized idiot “soldies” by pointing out this religion.
I do however take an issue in the “unholy alliance” (europes) “left” has made with Islam some time ago. This alliance is implicitly understood by basically everyone, but only solemnly mentioned (especially in a critial light) in left circles, although I read some excellent essays about it.
I do however take an issue in the “unholy alliance” (europes) “left” has made with Islam some time ago.
You mean allowing refugees to enter? God forbid…
Religion is cancer, only thing is that I don’t pretend christianity is the reason why we have secularism, or why murder is illegal.
Religion of peace, I see.
As an Iraqi, I feel like I need to address some extremely serious inaccuracies in the article:
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The Nine year-old marriage thing: This lasted less than a month and was cancelled due to the sheer amount of protest against it. I know, that’s still unbelieavable how it even reached Iraq in the first place. But this case happened far after the law was cancelled and is illegal, the family’s lewd business might have been a reason(?) Although sadly women’s rights are still limited.
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The case is even worse than the article interprets it: The man did not hide her in dirt, he literally dumped her in mud in the middle of a garbage place. And the police only arrested him after the evidence was very undeniable (They were allegedly bribed).
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The underage marriage and woman’s rights dismissing protest: This was a very small protest and many protestors there got their fair share of violence.
NOTE: I live in Baghdad, other cities might have different laws, but this article mentioned the incident was in Baghdad too, so maybe it was either not very recent, or maybe that lewd law got re-implemented and I just don’t know it yet.
thank you for adding context from a local,. one of the great things about this place
Thank you so much! I honestly expected to be in the negative score with people not believing me, but wow…
Maybe Lemmy is less harsh than Reddit afterall.
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I think women should not flee from such households before doing a few necessary things to enact collective punishment on their collective opressor - the family - via suitable methods.
It’s not hard to figure out how to do maximum damage. The mistake of opressing a woman should be remembered in the family for decades.
I agree but it seems to me that they have so few rights that I think they’ve largely been rendered incapable in these fucked up families.
Are you seriously man-splaining
The YPJ needs to be everywhere
I had not heard of the YPJ before. Remarkable group!
…minus the child soldiers part.
Tbf the labeling of child soldiers is kinda misleading considering that the vast majority of them are 15-17 years old. At that age you can join most military organizations around the world with parental permission. Alternatively most countries have military schools, where active duty military personnel are training teens to become soldiers.
That doesnt make it better for me so much as pointing out how bad others are as well.
But I also think 18 is too young for war too, so there’s that.
I’d also note - vast majority <> all.
That doesnt make it better for me so much as pointing out how bad others are as well.
My main point was that there is a discrepancy about how we speak about or label the actions of certain cultures or groups of people as opposed to the same actions taken by westerner nations.
I’d also note - vast majority <> all.
There are younger recruits, but I believe they are more a kin to being in military school, being taught tactics and self defense. I believe the official age for combat roles is 18.
Yeah, and I’m saying that doesnt make it better for me. Not for them, not for others.
I think its shitty having anyone with ‘teen’ in their age going off to fight or prepping for it.
Yeah, and I’m saying that doesnt make it better for me. Not for them, not for others.
My response wasn’t aimed at making you feel better. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of a specific criticism often aimed at the ypj when several western powers do the same thing.
think its shitty having anyone with ‘teen’ in their age going off to fight or prepping for it.
Yes, war is obviously bad.
UNICEF labels anyone enlisted under 18 as a child soldier, and lobbies those governments who follow the practice to stop. Most countries now have changed to 18+, but there are some holdouts as low as 16 (Britain).
Its 17 in the US, and nearly every decent sized high school and some middle schools in America have Junior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps program.
That is horrific.
Our species is the worst.
Thankfully, we seem to be intent on ensuring our environment makes us extinct.
Indeed. I’m so glad I never had kids.
On the flip side, I’m glad I did. They fulfill my life in more ways than I could have imagined.
That doesn’t make either one of us right of course, I’m glad you’re happy with your decision because I’ve met those in the past who regretted it. Mine don’t want them either, well at least for now.
What it does make us is CAMPIONES…sorry, wrong place.
How are you today anyway
I edited this too, I added a sentence in the centre
What kind of life are they going to have facing climate disaster, the end of democracy and the emergence of technofacism, but hey, you got yours, right?
Regardless what happens in the future I’ll wager theirs isn’t as miserable as yours, currently.
I hope your day gets better.
That’s the point, it’s likely going to get much worse.
For you
Quick import them in mass in european and society and go complaining about “men” after
aww, you tried to be edgy.
You’re a fucking idiot and should feel bad for existing. Your entire post history is garbage.
How the rate rape going on in the country they are mass imported ? Am I wrong to say I dont want live with thoses ppl make society with them ?
Yes, you are wrong.
No one people or group are a monolith. The sooner idiots like you genuinely process that, the better off we’ll be in the future.
A country that doesn’t even think man and women are equal have infinite higher probability of having ppl that think the same.
I dont care about your monolithique argument. U wont eat some things I offer you if say some are poisonous but some aren’t. Dont judge them all
Eat shit and go to hell.
Lot of insult nobody being qbble to say I’m wrong. How the rape rate is going where they were mass imported ?
I’ll say this: it isn’t going to be important because despite what fascists say Western countries have very, very restrictive immigration policies and zero tolerance for all this crap.
Meanwhile fascists do their own human trafficking of both white and non-white people to line their own pockets, all while advocating for the same shit these kiddie Diddlers and murderers do.
The only thing they give a fuck about is the color of the perpetrator’s skin like that Family Guy meme.
Illegal immigration is littéral humain trafficking
It s tolerated and I pay taxe for them to be welcome.
It s the only morale stance on that matter to be aggainst it.
User tagged as “irrelevant”
That’s why need strict migration policies to prevent those views from coming to europe…
hey look! racism isn’t just in America anymore!
the europoors are gonna be pissed.
It’s always been a universal human failing.
TIL failing is when you want to protect your society from those who sell women into sexual slavery, refuse those women education and then murder them for being rape victims.
what the fuck are you talking about?
Try reading the article, then read the comments in the comment chain in order.
If you’re still lost on what I’m talking about please consult a doctor regarding your cognitive decline.
this whole subthread was about racism. it had nothing to do with whatever you said.
It was about migration and not allowing people who treat women like this into Europe but you’d know that if you could recall more than one comment at a time.
I wasn’t aware the AFD was formed outside Germany or by immigrants. Same ideology, different flavor.
After running away from her first marriage (she was married at 13). She finally got a divorce and then was told to marry her cousin who was literally coming out of prison.
How can someone care so little for their own kids. Absolutely vile.
For the same reason that American Christians would be a gay person to death and then argue the gay panic defense in court.
They’ve been raised to believe that these made-up rules for their imaginary friend are a more important consideration than the reality right in front of them.
I would still feel sad that I had to kill my daughter to uphold those rules… Not fucking dance in the street. Unless it’s also in the rules: “and you’ll like it”. 🤪
And gay hate is even explicitly laid out in the quran. It’s not a “fringe” thing in the least.
That’s islam for ya
That’s extreme ideology for ya.
If this passes I hope politicians that restrict pregnant women’s access to food, shelter, and medicine have their affairs in order.
That’s brainwashing for ya*
~25% of all humans are Muslim, do you seriously think every single one agrees with this?
A good example is that only a tiny part of Christians are pedophiles but you, based on the logic in your comment, think all of them are.
Islam isn’t the issue, extremism and shitty humans is. The vast majority of Muslims think this is just as fucked up as we do, because the vast majority of humans are just like us.only a tiny part of Christians are pedophiles
I’m pretty sure Christians are pedo at the same rate as the population at large. The issue there (apart from them being pedophilic) is that the Catholic Church has a tendency to protect them - forgive and forget, and all that.
No, that’s people brainwashed by ideology “for ya”. You don’t seem to have the mental capacity to process that, so just try to talk to people you disagree with more, and widen your horizon.
No, that’s people brainwashed by ideology
What do you think islam is?
How does this describe Islam specifically and not any religious group with fundamentalists?
You’re right!
I’ll happily condemn any ideology (not just religious ones) that teaches people it is okay to force underage girls into marriage and murder them when they try to escape.
Did you have one in mind?
Were you aware that child marriage is legal in most of the US and attempts to close state level loopholes are fought tooth and nail, often successfully, by Evangelicals? The form of child rape we’re more familiar with isn’t better than people halfway across the world doing the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States
Yes, I was.
Disconnecting religion from law & institutions was a brutal process that took centuries here in Europe, and it is very disconcerting to see organized religion exerting an increasing influence in society. In the US it is less “freedom from religion” (like we have here) and more “freedom of religion” (please pick one).
Don’t feed the trolls
More of a question for the two dozen or so people upvoting the comments. Even if they’re trolling (and not just an islamophobe), there’s clearly a fair number of people that think these are reasonable opinions to hold. Getting people to think about the beliefs they hold is an important part of reducing -phobic behavior in general.
As I said, you don’t have the mental capacity to process what’s wrong with your comment. Try to evolve a bit.
Stop being in denial, it’s all over most holy books, and especially the one that condoned this specific murder.
You’ll understand one day instead of whatever this is you’re doing here.
But you didn’t say that. You said “No” it wasn’t islam, then you described islam.
It’s a good thing we’ve got you here to tell people they’re stupid and should evolve.
Religion is an ideology that brainwashes.
What is the difference? Religion is brainwashing.
No, that’s people brainwashed by ideology “for ya”.
That’s just a long way of saying “islam”
Nope. Thats just religious extremism for ya.
For example 36 white American Christians in Oklahoma just voted against ending child marriage and they quoted the Bible as their reason
"Rep. Derrick Hildebrant quoted Hebrews 13:4, questioning “Hebrews 13:4 – ‘Let marriage be held in honour among all.’ Does ‘among all’ now only mean those who are 18 and older?”
And here’s another white Christian proposing a bill to give the death penalty to woman who seek abortions. He serves on the board of a church in north carolina.
“The legislation, backed only by Republican state Representative Keith Kidwell, would classify abortion as first-degree murder and open the right of another person to defend the life of the unborn baby** as they see fit.**”
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-bill-deadly-force-stop-abortions-north-carolina-12005136
“Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”
You do realize that “Christianity bad” doesn’t mean that “Islam bad” is false, right?
Both can be true at once.
I will however dispute that it is a question of extremism. The fact is that a majority of muslims, globally, hold views that I would consider to be misogynistic (feel free to update me on that if there is a more recent global study with the same scope).
If something is the norm in a group rather than a fringe idea, it can hardly be considered extremism. Given that Islam has many of these misogynistic values close to its’ core, it isn’t particularly shocking either.
As such, considering the above, I consider Islam to be bad on the whole. Note: this doesn’t mean that someone is inherently “bad” due to being muslim, or that “good” muslims don’t exist - I am acquainted with a few.
Christianity is barbaric, cruel and hateful
Judaism is cruel, barbaric and hateful
Islam is barbaric and hateful and cruel
They’re all fucked
What’s happening in the middle east would be happening regardless of their superstition. It’s a region that has always been unstable, and WWI & II resulted in the west trying to drag them into their sphere of influence to take the oil
But I’d like to see the people who did this burn slowly, as well as anyone in the world who thinks it’s ok
Yeah and they’re all pretty much the same religion they worship the same god of abraham and each version inherits older versions books, Christians revere moses and Muslims also revere jesus. Im not sure there’s much they actually disagree on besides various rules on eating meat.
Misogyny doesn’t automatically mean ritualistic murder, dude.
