Surely my corporate overlords will respect me if I couch my objection in paleoconservative language.
Oh, what’s that? I’m still being shoved into the trash compactor and squeezed for all my surplus labor value, even though I’ve dangled this nifty religious icon in their face? Oh well… I guess my office is just Woke.
Time for the Universal Life Church to step in.
As an ordained minister (and fully-paid Saint), would highly approve.
Guys I think I just found religion.
Join the Satanic Temple or some Humanist org or something. For some reason people lose their minds if your religion is just “none”, but are at least more ok with it being something, even if the something had only one tenet and that was “none”.
It’s because they can understand a difference of philosophy or beliefs but cannot comprehend a total rejection of the concept of belief. It’s too alien to a central aspect of their identity and challenges their perceived connection to existence.
Source: I’ve been making people uncomfortable by being openly hostile to religion for a long time.
I’m an atheist who joined a UU church (the religion being discussed in the article) this past January and I’ve loved it, I’m actually not at all surprised this sort of thing is coming out of UU
How about an atheist exemption?
You can be an atheist and a member of a universalist Unitarian church, I am exactly that
Would be nice if philosophical stances were treated equal to religious ones, so if something is against your philosophical stances you could get the same exemption a religious person could.
or just let people opt out entirely flat out?
That’s one way to make the Catholic church popular again.
tl;dr:
Maus is a Unitarian Universalist, a pluralistic religion that’s rooted in the inherent worth of every person. In April, she argued that AI didn’t align with her religious beliefs, citing environmental and ethical concerns.
Just so you know which religion to convert to.
Oh, good. One of the few religions that isn’t predicated on making all non-members lives miserable.
I mean, hypothetically couldn’t you just pick any belief structure outside of the top ten and make shit up? I’m a card carrying member of The Satanic Temple (which also puts an emphasis on human worth and social conscience) and I feel like I could swing this.
Wow, you actually got your card?
They made no promises, but I sent my $20, never saw my card and that’s fine.
The goat ate it
I think you can literally purchase a membership card on their site if you want.
I’ve known some cool unitarians. The org can collect a lot of upper middle class white people, but it’s also the first place I really learned about LGBT rights in the 90s (I’m getting old) and other social justice stuff.
On a tour of our state’s gay friendly churches (a work project) I met a unitarian universalist minister who was openly atheist, his congregation had no problem with it. That was a very weird but cool convo.
My UU ordained friend is a nonbinary activist who was in Minneapolis during the ICE shit.
The first time I went to a UU service, I was invited to a rationalist group that meets there.
It’s all of the good things about religion (ie - community. People who will meal train for you when you are in trouble, people who will teach your kids good shit) without much of the baggage.
I’m personally going to start attending either a UU or a really loosely Methodist group just for the social aspect. I think one of the failures of atheism is the lack of acknowledgment of the benefits of community and ritual. There’s not enough “third places” in the world, and churches can fill that roll quite well. Perhaps this is just my own recent near death experience speaking, but it’s good to have a community that cares about you.
Amish or Rastafarian should pass as well.
How about Pastafarian though?
Amish
That was my first thought before even reading! OTOH they would probably oppose working with computers at all?
As someone who lives near an Amish community, the amount of them I see in Walmart on cellphones tells me they’ve got at least enough loopholes to be shopping in Walmart with a cellphone, so “working with computers” is probably perfectly fine.
…or you go straight to hell. IDK.
What’s Amish Hell like?🤔
Neverending Rumspringa
I’ve learnt about the UU not that long ago and I’m getting into with much fondness. To me it’s one of the only paths if you’re a Christian-based perennialist who believes in the existence of God and follows the teachings of the prophet Jesus but rejects the bible. Basically it’s only Unitarians or non-denominational Chrisians.
It’s funny because in Australia it’s even non-religious (well the churches I’ve heard of).
That’s how based the UU is.
All be welcome, yo.
Seek the truth and serve humanity.
Sure, I think UU basically defaults to being atheist, but it very much accepts any and all beliefs as long as they’re not harmful.
I find it very sweet because leftist circles usually tend to be unfriendly towards religious people. Basically it’s like being a right-wing homosexual - at best you’ll be met with judgemental acceptance; ostracization at worst.
There were already 100 reasons why the Unitarians are where it’s at.
But I really don’t think this is reason 101. All we have here is someone who asked their employer for this and was fortunate enough to have it granted.
That means nothing for anyone else. There is not some national law that all Unitarians have this protected right now.
So yeah… you might as well try on grounds that it offends Allah, because you’ll have the same odds.
Maybe I am religious…
In a country where most states are fire-at-will. You don’t have the cultural integrity to effectively use something like this.
That’s it, I’m converting to Mechanicus. Abominable Intelligence is techno-heresy, Ave Omnissiah!
I’m somewhat of a transhumanist and even I think generative AI is an abomination. I want the real thing. Artificial sapient life.
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
How about a mental health exemption? AI is shown to be hazardous to mental health.
If I was hiring for my hypothetical construction company I’d have a real easy time picking between an employee who gets the job done and one who refuses to use power tools.
Oh you’d hire the one installing lead pipes and eating asbestos sandwhiches while drinking round-up? Because corporations told me none of those are bad.
No, I’d hire the one using power tools and PEX pipes. Not the one stuck in the 19th century.
This is a strawman argument, and not really related to “ai” in any way.
If i was going to twist this to relate to sloperators though, in your analogy it would be akin to hiring either an old school plumber using hand tools who gets the job done with no leaks, vs a 16 year old kid with a full Milwaukee toolset thats never done a job without causing Significant leaks and damage to clients homes and the businesses reputation.
Again, its not a good comparison either way.
If a drill started to make things that looked like holes but weren’t, I’d go back to hand tools.
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I think it’s spot on. Even if you use power tools you need to know what kind of screw goes where. But it sure goes a whole lot faster to use power tools.
Sounds to me from the article that this is a seasoned engineer who just doesn’t want to use the tools she’s being handed.
“I’m a Butlerian.”
But did you type that on your thinking machine?
I’m pretty sure that in Dune, all computers are banned, not just AI. You can’t even have a ship with a navigation computer.
the golden path
I’m considering joining the catholic church specifically to make it easier to get an exemption !
I wonder, those objecting to AI, are they also objecting to using any web search or predictive text features? As I understand it, it’s all just varying degrees of the same math.
Predictive text won’t write a book for you. Nobody has developed psychosis from using a search engine.
Your argument is reductive, like seeing somebody panicking because a hurricane is coming and responding with “What’s the big deal? It’s just a rainstorm!”
Once those who stole all human knowledge and art with 0 repercussions with the intent to sell it back to us either pay every human on earth 100,000 dollars or more, or relieve their ownership of the companies and all land and data centers that go with it, and also make it illegal to use for law enforcement or any surveillance, then it can be used for specific scenarios if needed.
Oh that won’t happen ? Burn it down.
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Are you guys trying to get religion banned?
It might help.
If you could ban religion, or ban AI, which would you ban?
If you ban religion AI will become people’s God. So that is really not an option.
Religion has caused so much suffering though.
A blanket ban on AI seems extreme, perhaps banning commercialization would be the way to go so no one can try and profit from it. Obviously corporations would not like this idea.
If you ban religion AI will become people’s God.
Say more here. It’s an interesting claim. Why do you see this as inevitable? I’m an atheist and AI has not become my god.
Well, I am just basing it off the fact that a bunch of people are already using AI in this fashion. Without something to fill this gap I think AI would be a likely candidate.
https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/silicon-valleys-obsession-with-ai-looks-a-lot-like-religion/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_the_Future
It has already become common for existing religions to use AI to answer spiritual questions and preachers have started using it to write sermons.
I think cutting people off of traditional religion would accelerated this AI god concept. This is just my opinion of course.
@Doomsider @stickyprimer people are going to make AI into a religion regardless. We did it with books when they were first invented.
You say that like it’s a bad thing
At this point, I feel like religion >> blind corporate loyalty. At least religion still pretends to care about people
