Cant imagine making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes. This is saying it will increase that much.
But i’ll trickle down? Right? RIGHT??
Will it ever?
We’re still waiting for the first batch of tax cuts for the rich to trickle down, when the idea was proposed in the first place.
Yes, I know. Hence the name.
America, the home of enshittifiction!
It’s the same in Germany, people listed the actual tax cuts that’ll happen per income bracket for each of the major parties, and surprisingly the nazi party that keeps drumming up the “We’re the common man’s party!!!” is the one that wants to make the rich richer.
And if you want to make the rich more richer than the fucking FDP, a factually one-man party by a guy that can only comment “But what about Porsche drivers?!” to any problem you put in front of him, wow are you a rich assholes party.
Remember, fellow Germans: Today we vote. And if on the way out you vote with your fist in the face of a nazi or nazi-sympathizing voter, that’s a bonus!
Unfortunately, disinformation seems to be the winning strategy.
From an American: sorry for Facebook, Twitter, all that… Both our parties are kinda bought by big tech, and it’s affecting y’all too.
Also, spite. A German acquaintance tells me that their family is going to vote for the AfD to punish their current government. In my opinion, Harris lost because of similar actions—citizens trying to teach a lesson or punish their party for not being what they want it to be (which is a reasonable wish, but I’m not sure about the action). Argentina also had some resentful voters that led to the clown in power today.
Why not vote for some smaller party though? From what I understand, AfD would keep a lot of the bad (highly regressive tax policies, foreign policy).
In my opinion, Harris lost because of similar actions—citizens trying to teach a lesson or punish their party for not being what they want it to be (which is a reasonable wish, but I’m not sure about the action)
The democrats were doomed to failure from the beginning. They consistently ignored their voters and were almost enthusiastically pushing people to the other side. To this day, most of the democratic leadership doesn’t seem to have learned any lessons.
But what’s infuriating is that the republicans pushed Trump. The traitor who attempted a violent coup against the American government, and who very clearly had plans to become a dictator and destroy democracy in this country is who they backed for president. If they backed some sane right or center-right candidate, they would have wiped the floor in that election with much more votes, much less drama, and possibly even restored a sense of national unity.
But nope. The republicans joined the American traitor, and now the entire world is going to suffer for it. If WW3 happens, I hope the equivalent of the Nuremberg trials remembers who got us to this point: it wasn’t the incompetent Democrats, it was the fascist Republicans.
What does this have to do with enshitification?
Can a whole country come under the enshitification banner?
There are so many spaces where you can talk about US politics and so few where you can talk about enshitification. Please don’t turn this into another noisy sewer of American political discussion.
It’s certainly trying.
I didn’t think it was possible, but clearly…
Looks like income tax is reduced across the board. And the increases come from removal of IRA rebates and adding of tarriffs.
From your link:
Yeah, this is what every economist in the country has been saying for the last 3 months. These idiotic tariffs are going to screw every middle to lower class American.
Why don’t we just charge the homeless infinite tax money to support the government?
Bug report filed.
Closing, will not fix
PEBKAC. Known issue.
Dev note: seems like a skill issue.
I am unironically working on an idea where negative money is a normal feature of an Economy which is needs first. Production based on the requirement to fill those needs. There would be no tax money required to support a government and the negative balance is simply a transparent measurement of the cost of life.
It would eliminate the concept of purchasing power. And i know that sounds insane on premises. Hence i am still working on it. May require more then a few pages.
Anyway don’t direct skepticism to it yet. Just know that your joke has been a real life math Problem in my head for a few days now.
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These people have to live somewhere. Why is nobody killing them?
Americans are brainwashed with an ideology of nonviolence
The population has been made isolated at the community level. There are very few local groups doing any reaction at all to this.
And violent reactions which are successful are a group action; it’s very seldom an individual, in any era of history, changed the politics by themselves.
And as long as there are no impromptu gatherings of significant frequency, there will be very little violence.
The internet is not a replacement for community driven change which powers all social and political movements, peaceful or not.
The turning point, if there is one, will be lots of local meetings by the thousands , and not until then. No matter how violent or passive the individuals be
Americans won’t form violent groups because they’re trapped in the mind prison of nonviolence. They think violence is wrong.
It’s because it IS wrong. Animals resort to violence when they don’t get their way.
BULLSHIT
Profound! As was the last time you said the exact same thing.
The allied soldiers who killed the nazi soldiers are… doing something wrong?
🤔
Nice whatabout. Not entertaining it.
That’s not what a whatabout is.
Don’t kid yourself, you’re pro-violence if you’re okay with how the system is now.
Where in what I said did you interpret that I was okay with how the system is?
You just claimed all violence is wrong, in reply to why people are choosing “nonviolence” which is a liberal propagandized view because the entire system is predicated on very active violence, just not in front of the consumers.
Also odd to call all animals wrong for “choosing” violence, I’m not certain how you define it, but colloquially violence is either inherently part of how nature works or a choice that is within some human defined morality that cannot be blanket applied to other animals.
What are you smoking?
The only country in the whole world with thousands of school shootings annually thinks violence is wrong? The country where the police force is trained to view themselves as an occupying force and civilians are enemy combatants is averse to violence? The country who’s leader is currently cheerleading multiple genocides is peaceful?!?!1?
Can you even define “violence?” Because this country personifies it.
The country’s political classes are violent. The people are trained to be nonviolent. This gives the state a monopoly on violence, which cements their control. Americans will be free when they stop worshipping at the shrine of nonviolence.
You’re right. Right after we stop driving our cars though protestors and shooting people through closed and locked doors we can “stop worshipping at the shrine of nonviolence.”
“America’s is nonviolent” is probably gonna go down as the singular stupidest thing i read all year. 'grats.
There is still a lot of violent potential in all this population, it just needs to be nurtured by a working grassroots movement. And that is broken. Just like you can drive a car with a working motor, that has a busted axle; you cannot lead violent people to do things if there is no place to hook up or meet in person.
This applies to the people who oppose you as much as you, and I mean anyone. So, the current situation is sort of a stabilizing force at the moment
This is so funny because it is 100% the opposite. Violence is everywhere in america and people are completely desensitized to it and is completely fine if it is directed at the poor. Violence on the streets, violence against homeless, shooting your neighbors for pulling up in your driveway to turn, shooting people for not driving how you want, shooting up schools, mass shootings, all completely fine and absolutely no steps are taken against it.
They are brainwashed into nonviolence against the rich and corporate power and encouraged to use tons of violence against the poor and people that look slightly different than them.
Perfectly exemplified by fox (most popular “news” station in america, legally can’t call themselves news since they lied too much):
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Luigi in an inhumane terrorist traitor who should be killed
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the guy who killed homeless people in the same week: “some say that he is a hero” and praising him for the full news cycle
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Maybe it’s because we’re not animals. Had half of this country been educated enough to see what was coming- we wouldn’t be in this mess. Violence will only make it worse.
Yeah, I forgot how this country became liberated in the first place.
Yeah… it’s not 1775 anymore. Did you not know this?
Oh, so that’s why I can vote. I was so confused. Doesn’t change the fact that fascists need pitchforks.
Who’s not an animal? Because humans are definitely classified as animals. We’re definitely not plants.
Animals as in- barbaric knuckle-dragging cavemen than can’t handle negativity and adversity without harming others.
You’re virtue signaling and need to do some deep searching and a review of human history. Be better.
Yeah… being nonviolent absolutely is a virtue. A pretty simple one at that. So I’m hoping the signal is loud and clear. And human history? Really? We used to use the practice of trepanning to release evil spirits from one’s head. Doctors once prescribed cigarettes to patients. History is a bad example to use to justify the present.
And lastly, you have the nerve to tell me to be better while you try and justify acts of violence?
Be better indeed- and evolve while you’re at it.
What acts of violence have they committed?
strange though that rich educated billionaires are fine using violence through the state to oppress citizens
Did I say that was fine?
In a game theory situation, One actor that obeys laws vs. another that doesn’t tends to eliminate the one that does obeys laws.
so even hypothetically, we can’t take the high road as it leads to a cliff.
and don’t be so naive to think the world peace and order we enjoy wasn’t paid for with blood of our ancestors. The rules you hold dearly now didn’t protect your ancestors when they sought to do what’s right.
Violence is the hallmark of peace.
Have fun storming the castle when people can’t even organize protests of any significance.
That is a completely different problem.
BULLSHIT
Such an astute point! Care to elaborate?
Sure! NOTHING has been achieved in repelling tyranny or gaining human rights without violence. All of the rights that the Fascist Pedophiles are taking away now were all won through acts of violence or very serious threats thereof. There is NO SITUATION in which tyranny abdicated itself because you begged it to. Not only is violence a legitimate answer to a problem, in political situations it is often the only reasonable response available.
Also, we are, in fact, animals in a very real and literal sense: “a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.” And animals often fight to survive.
BULLSHIT.
Such an astute point! Care to elaborate?
Gated communities.
Also, killing doesn’t solve the problem. You have to force transfer of weath/power and that can’t happen if someone is dead.
How can we know it won’t solve the problem until it’s been thoroughly tested?
we’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas
What world are you living in? Only slightly more 1\4 of the US voting population tried to stop fascists from taking over even after the fascists said, “Hey, we’re fascists, and we plan on getting super fascisty up in dis bitch!”. Slightly less than 1\4 of the voting population actively worked to put the fascist in power and the remaining half gave the fascists 2 thumbs up and cheered them on. You are talking like this is some coup, but the US fucking invited them in and handed them the keys to the place. Even with all their tricks and lies and downright illegal activities, it wouldn’t have meant shit if just a small percentage of the rest of the voting population had bothered to vote. So, even if we pretend that we are all Rambo and go on some single-handed “cleansing” of Washington, and we just murder the shit out of them without them lifting a finger to stop us. WTF is that going to do for us? They’ll just be replaced by more monsters because that’s what we chose.
Backslash fractions!?
You live in a serfdom
The only way the folks who need to see things like these infographics will see them though:
you can shove it up their ass and they’ll still vote for him
making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes
That’s like 5.3%, could that be real? That would be ridiculously low. I just checked and with that same income I’d be paying 2480 in Germany, or 8.3%, and that’s in taxes alone. After social insurances and health insurance the total deduction would be 6450 or 21.5% total.
That’s not the total, that’s how much the taxes will increase by. So $1600 on top of whatever you’re currently paying. Most of that will be in the form of tariffs on pretty much any goods you buy that aren’t made within the country.
I’m speaking from the perspective if you’re that close to or under the poverty line it does not help society to tax you any amount.
Google says the poverty line in the US is 13800, what am I missing?
The actual real poverty line is going to be region dependent. If you grow up in a high income area and end up “only” making 30k a year before taxes, then you’ll be either living with your parents or in your car.
As to why 1500 dollars extra taxes will break families earning 30000 a year: people and especially families have fixed expenditures needed to survive. After other taxes, rent, food, … there is usually nothing left at the end of the month. Where are these people going to save 1500 dollars? So don’t look at it as 1500 out of 30000, look at it as taking 1500 dollars from someone who has 0 dollars left.
Edit to add: that 1500 is not total taxes, it’s extra taxes.
I can’t say anything about the validity of the infographic but it says “increase up to” so it’s relative not absolute. So without knowing the current taxation it would be hard to say that tax is low, unless you think the increase is too low. Or am I missing something?
It’s like Robin Hood, but in reverse…
Hobin Rood or Nibor Dooh?
Hood Robbin’ was right there
Damn son, you cut that mustard with precision and speed.
Dennis Moore?
This needs to be called Trumps Tax Rises, and repeated over and over again until it sinks in with the morons who voted for him.
Yes, I can image.even more regressive Republican tax cuts. It isn’t like this is unusual for them or something unique to Trump. It is just more of the same shifting of the tax and cost burden down the economic ladder.
Needs a source to go with it
https://itep.org/a-distributional-analysis-of-donald-trumps-tax-plan-2024/
The makers of the image are listed at the bottom.
Ty
The complete opposite of what we need is a pretty good summary of Donald Trump
But that’s not what the American people want. They don’t want to end suffering. They just want to hurt the right people.
