Its wild this is all we heard of it cause do.you know how insane those models are?
There was a similar reddit thread about this game character a couple of years ago in which a guy had posted his screenshot of his “improved” model of her for everyone to admire his work and was defending his modding of the character to “beautify” her because he didn’t like her “masculine” qualities such as facial hair, not having a “feminine shaped face”, skinny waist, voluptuous bosom, etc. The consensus through most of the thread was that the guy was a chud. But he really ground his heels in on the fact that he didn’t think female video game characters should be in any way “ugly” (to how he saw them).
Its so dumb, Aloy isn’t even ugly and also she is basically a warrior cave person in a post apocalyptic world run by robot dinosaurs. What do they expect her to look like exactly?
Which is bullshit he would think that. This peach fuzz is fucken impressive. I bet these models took upwards of hundreds maybe even breaking a thousand hours to make.
and then they added peach fuzz
I hate that I have to clarify that I don’t like the new GoW because Ragnarok was bad, not because woman lead — all because of these low T creeps who are jealous of digital women having more facial hair than them.
I liked the first one a lot better too
Yeah, I didn’t really like the 2nd Horizon, not because they made Aloy less hot, but because the writing just wasn’t as good and progression basically mandates the stupid crafting hunts for hyper specific animals.
I didn’t mind that part of the sequel. The writing wasn’t as good though but my main issue weirdly was just that they give you a bunch more weapons and tools and no reason whatsoever to use most of them. Kinda fumbled with the design there, where in the first you needed every tool depending what you were facing off against.
I have peach fuzz. It’s soft and fuzzy and cute— and you’d only see it if you were in punching range.
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G*mers
It’s embarrassing af
Because we’re all still hairy apes even if the hair got a lot shorter.
My 2 year old daughter has peach fuzz on her back and it’s very cute
Is the beard in this room with us?
point on the doll where the beard hurt you.
She had to work tonight.
That’s a lot of “peach fuzz.” Y’all a bunch of Osama Bin Laden lookin women.
Thank you for leaving more women for the rest of us.
Tell me you’ve never been close to a woman without telling me.
It’s like you didn’t even fully read the image hahahaha
Is this your first day on the internet?
Not everyone has to speak in the same shitpost-y way that some of you enjoy. The internet is as varied as the users.
Your joke clearly didn’t land with anyone here.
I’m sorry for hurting your feelings.
I’m sorry you weren’t clever enough to deliver an actually funny joke.
Joke? While I don’t know if you’re male or female, I really, sincerely suspect you have a small, wispy mustache.
It was because of this image I purchased the game.
I still want to, if I ever get enough “fuck you money” to buy a ps5
Isn’t it on steam now?
The series has been on PC for like years now
I’m assuming from this comment that you don’t have a PC that can run it, but as a PSA both are on Steam and go on sale pretty regularly.
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They’re worth it at full price IMO
Eh… Very visually beautiful, but for some reason, the gameplay just didn’t appeal to me much and I couldn’t really get into it much. Didn’t help that (at least in the beginning of the one I played) the story seemed bland, vague, and a bit confusing.
Still, though, visually wonderful. Amazing graphics and art.
Wow really? The story is one of my favorite parts, I put it up there with BioShock in terms of ludonarrative resonance. Admittedly it gets a bit fuzzy in the sequel but the characters are well written and the world building is delightful. But everyone has their tastes, and the combat is something you either click with or spend the whole game fighting against. I will say combat is a bit sloppier in the sequel, they give you quite a few more tools but no real reason to use them for the most part. Still a good time though.
I haven’t played either but watched a lot of my wife’s playthroughs of both and they seemed pretty awesome
What games?
Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West
I’m still flabbergasted by this ridiculous outrage, like, it was crazy. Calling a bit of natural peach fuzz a beard, crazy work. These incels and weirdos really are twisted ass dudes.
Humans are mammals, so we’re a bit hairy, that’s genuinely not out of the ordinary for a regular woman to have a bit of peach fuzz. What isn’t normal is making it seem abnormal, these chuds, they’re truly tragic in so many ways.
it’s ragebait.
if you raged and took this seriously, they won.
the point of posts like this is to make people flip out and get them to reply and push engagement.
and it works. it worked on you.
call them names all you want, you are giving them what they want.
Hey you replied, too! It worked on you as well :)
The tag that I added to the above user’s handle gives me a good chuckle every time I see them in the wild. Helps balance the rank odiousnesses of many of their comments lol the irony of a troll like them calling something rage bait only adds to my glee.
I didn’t take this seriously, it’s just confusing that this caused people to actually lose their minds. There’s no rage to be felt about this as all I feel is absolutely confused this passes for something to feel outrage over. ROFL It’s just weird to me that they never saw a woman up close, and knew that peach fuzz is a thing women have on their faces. I did call them names, but, incel does seem fitting in this case. More than ever.
I think they’re saying that the OP’s OP’s OP was rage bait, i.e. the guy pretending not to know people have fine hair everywhere was just trolling.
i also think it’s funny how enraged people are you suggest it’s rage bait.
because clearly this is some huge problem, instead of stupid internet flaming bullshit.
but ragebait works. people love being angry over stupid bullshit and projecting their angst at imaginary chuds that likely don’t really exist.
No one is mad you’re calling it rage bait, though what you’re doing is rage baiting as well since if you were around the internet when that game released you know full well all the gamergate chuds lost their fucking minds. Fuckin dweebs are always so loud. Anyway yeah this was actual discourse for a month or two, not just assholes ragebaiting.
My interpretation of gamergate, which I was there watching it happen live, was very very different than the popular narrative about it.
But hey, what do I know, I only lived through it. I didn’t read about it through a bunch of idiot mainstream journalists who only focused on the ‘evil men vs innocent women’ narrative to score the post clicks.
A lot of the ‘harassment’ that the key female figures received, never had any evidence. I also knew Zoey Quin, I went out with her on a date in 2011. She was an absolute nutcase, probably had BPD or something. Her grasp on reality was very tenuous before gamergate, so I doubt anything she said about those event was remotely truthful. And I’m sure her boyfriend there was also equally mentally ill.
I don’t believe a single word of this comment, but especially that you went on a date with Zoey Quin.
Oh holy shit you’re literally a gamergater. Fuckin, and you just admit that to people? You’re literally the guy in the fuckin meme, holy shit.
They’re still wrong.
Maybe. It’s impossible to know. If it is rage bait, it definitely worked.
There were very real tantrums about this. Look at the reaction to the new God of War.
Pretending like incels don’t whine about the “integrity of their games” and “woke bullshit” is silly.
I know. Just saying it’s not clear in this instance. It seems almost too ridiculous to be real, but it could be.
Instagram has set some astronomical standards, especially for women.
Instagram? This shit is straight from Gamer Gate style incels.
Less “Why do women have hair” and more “Why are developers spending time and money on peach fuzz when game development is already too expensive?”
Oh no serving a different demographic than me sharing is hard uwuwu
Because it’s part of how you get realistic light scattering in the photo modes and visuals that people like?
You can’t have realistic graphics without doing the things that make something look realistic.It’s the same reason they spend time figuring out how light moves through cheek skin: if the light doesn’t do that you look like a plastic sculpture and it’s wrong.
Love a good fuzzy peach.
I’ve always seen the argument coming from incels who want their game women to look like anime, but this is the first realistic take on it.
Yeah, i don’t want to spend money on a new graphics card because some artistic vision includes peach fuzz. Realism in video games has met a new point where, we dont want to spend money on seeing more realism.
Like it’s cool to see some realistic hair but i dont want to smell Geralt’s unwashed anus when i havent visited a bath house in a while. I cant speak for everyone, but realism isnt always necessary or better.
It’s funny you bring up Geralt when Witcher 3 has a specific setting just for realistic hair, and that setting would stress your system if it wasn’t up to snuff. Picked a poor example there.
That’s my point exactly though. Allowing someone to turn off Nvidia Hairworks so you can play on weaker hardware or get more fps is the right move. You had the choice and it should look good either way.
Part of the problem is everyone is on UE5 and UE5 does everything for you, which means the art of designing a game engine to efficiently do exactly what you want it to do for your unique game is a dead art. True innovation in game design is gone, so all you have are massive budgets trying to push as many photorealistic details down a standardized pipeline as possible to make a game look AAA.
Zero dawn isnt a UE game it is on guerrilla’s own engine, Decima.
And that engine runs and looks gorgeous even on an old 2060.
Wouldn’t it be a similar amount of graphics used as putting in a man’s beard?
Also did most people have to upgrade their graphics cards to play Horizon: Forbidden West? I thought it was scaled to most people’s setups?
With Horizon Forbidden West now available on PC, benchmarks have revealed whether the game plays better on AMD or Nvidia hardware. While GeForce GPUs put in a respectable performance, it’s clear that the port runs best on Radeon graphics cards.
Despite its origins as a PlayStation 5 exclusive, you don’t need the best graphics card to play Horizon Forbidden West. In fact, the game appears to run well on aging pixel pushers, providing you’re willing to turn down a few settings and make use of dynamic resolution scaling (DRS).
AMD’s victory in Forbidden West has been certified by Computer Base, which tested more than ten graphics cards across multiple generations and manufacturers, using a Ryzen 9 7950X3D CPU to get its results.
Wouldn’t it be a similar amount of graphics used as putting in a man’s beard?
Yes, but a beard on a man makes up a significant part of his appearance. A few barely visible hair do nothing for graphics except waste performance - a negligible amount tho, tbf.
But then again, afaik, the in game model has none of this facial hair. It’s just on the box art.
I would say the key difference is that facial peach fuzz will be virtually invisible except in a close up still frame, and if it’s missing it won’t be missed.
I’d counter by saying that girls and women playing this game would be able to identify with Aloy and real representation of women in media would be missed.
Suit yourself. I think that anything that’s invisible except in a close-up still frame is a poor use of resources in a video game, and that nobody would say “hang on, where’s her peach fuzz?”
You clearly have no idea how games work. Level of detail graphics has been a solved problem for well over two decades. Simply you render high detail up close and remove details at a distance when it wont be noticed.
This topic has already been debated to death.
The game developers don’t care what you think.
Women being accurately portrayed in media is important.
I don’t know how to make it clearer that I’m not talking about representation, I’m talking about bloated game development. I’m a hairy guy, but hair on a man’s chest being modeled instead of just a texture would be a waste, too.
It’s also possible that some details don’t render unless you are close enough to see it, and so it won’t take up much space
Horizon Forbidden West added a “photo mode”, I think mostly just to show off how good the graphics can be (when nothing is being animated). It does look awesome. If you zoom the camera in, you get anatomically correct facial features.
There might also be some conversation scenes with close-ups of Aloy. Depending on your graphics settings, you might get some extra details rendered.
I am absolutely convinced that the game is not rendering fine hairs while you’re fighting robot dinosaurs, since, as you suggest, that would be kind of ridiculous.
But, hey, you really kicked the shit out of that straw man! Great job!
It’s ironic he brought up Geralt when Witcher 3 actually had a setting specifically for realistic hair that did stress your system if it wasn’t powerful enough.
I hope it’s only rendered on close-ups? Not gonna waste performance on minuscle details you don’t see normally.
Things like that are usually photo mode or cinematic only. Things where you can either expect the player to not notice mild latency, and you can turn off the rest of the universe except for what’s on screen.
Games are shockingly good at hiding absolutely everything that doesn’t need to be sent to the render system.
Afaik, the ingame model has no facial hair at all. It’s only on the box art.
You’re also looking at the back of Aloy’s head and focusing on the giant robot trying to eat you so it’s not really something you see anyway
My mom had a straight up mustache before she died.
I’m surprised they would include that
Why?
It’s not something people often include. It’s more work too for no (?) benefit from the game studio’s point of view
If you mean financial benefit, yeah, I can see your point.
That’s what I mean. I feel like that’s all these big corporations care about
Women play games. And men who appreciate attention to detail play games.
The only people who might be turned away from buying this game because of this particular detail are incels. And why should a game studio cater to them?
Incels are a big player base. But they’ve probably done the math on which one benefits them more
Considering the game sold 8.4 million copies by April 2023, I don’t think the incel community is as big of a player base as you think.
There’s massive benefit to representing women accurately in media.
Does a game studio in this case actually care about that? I’d just expect them to want to make most money with least effort. That’s why I’m surprised
…they did? They made the game this way. This game is already out.
I think it’s kinda funny that you’re surprised they would be inclusive. I’d bet there are quite a few women on the dev team and there are quite a few women who play these games.
I’m always surprised if a big corporation cares about anything other than making money tbh
Why do you think that appealing to women and broadening their customer base would not make them money?
Has everyone forgotten that women play games, too?
Realism?
It’s a game about robot dinosaurs. I don’t think they’re making their money on realism, exactly haha. But someone else mentioned how it could broaden the player base and that makes sense
Well, realistic bodies :) like how facial features during speech for example was the focus just a couple of years ago
The studio probably doesn’t set out with an exact artistic vision, and then arrive there as quickly as possible. Much more likely they decided 15 (or whatever) artists is enough for this project, and they are paying them until the project is done. For the artists, that means if they’ve met the bare minimum, then chasing smaller and smaller things to keep busy… Keeps them busy.
Likewise, the studio is (hopefully) still within their estimate for the art budget, so there’s no one breathing down their neck about cutting costs there. It’s not worth it to fire people just because the work is done, especially if they might need that capacity for something close to release.
Technically, the director (or someone) probably could tell them “That’s everything for now. Doomscroll until we need you again”, but that’s not really best for anyone - so effort spent on meaningless detail wins.
